Ukrainian Crysis

[Apache]

so EU's oil imports from russia have significantly increased after the end of cold war. germany gets about a third of its oil from russia. oil will become pretty expensive if we don't get russian oil anymore. we'd need other sources. EU may release some of its reserves but that doesnt solve the problem, only delay it. importing from other countries isn't so good either because of the lack of pipelines. because of expensive oil and no exports to russia, EU economy will go down. because of globalization us economy will go down too. russian economy will of course go down too because of western sanctions and no energy export.
if invade ww3 starts. my guess is no one would use nuclear weapons though. because of annihilation. at least not at the start. cant guarantee what will happen if one side is about to lose. they might start one last strike. a final one.
so what do?

[Espozito]

Here's some Russian propaganda. Unconfirmed rumors.


Ukraine’s Gold Reserves Secretely Flown Out and Confiscated by the New York Federal Reserve?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine...eserve/5373446

HWHAT?!! XD
I've watched the site: https://www.iskra.com.ua/index.php/en-GB
and haven't found anything connected to this issue...

so EU's oil imports from russia have significantly increased after the end of cold war. germany gets about a third of its oil from russia. oil will become pretty expensive if we don't get russian oil anymore. we'd need other sources. EU may release some of its reserves but that doesnt solve the problem, only delay it. importing from other countries isn't so good either because of the lack of pipelines. because of expensive oil and no exports to russia, EU economy will go down. because of globalization us economy will go down too. russian economy will of course go down too because of western sanctions and no energy export.
if invade ww3 starts. my guess is no one would use nuclear weapons though. because of annihilation. at least not at the start. cant guarantee what will happen if one side is about to lose. they might start one last strike. a final one.
so what do?

You are missing the fact that Russia could export oil and gas to China and North Korea.
I'm totally sure that in 21st century, a century of information, there'll be no WWIII. Nuclear button is death to the planet so noone would use it. All the governments can do now is to mass-propagand against each other.
You can count it as the Information War I (IWI).

[Espozito]

HWHAT?!! XD
I've watched the site: https://www.iskra.com.ua/index.php/en-GB
and haven't found anything connected to this issue...

Scratch that. wrong site.

EDIT: Looks like both sides are spreading lies around. This one is made by provocators who want the situation to blow up.

[Dagaen]

I'm totally sure that in 21st century, a century of information, there'll be no WWIII. Nuclear button is death to the planet so noone would use it. All the governments can do now is to mass-propagand against each other.
You can count it as the Information War I (IWI).

I wish I had your certainty. People are idiots and fanatics are the worst kind of them. Many would rather destroy entire planet than end up losing. Maybe, not countries like Russia or USA, because even when they lose they are still fine, but countries like Pakistan or North Korea would use it.

[Espozito]

I wish I had your certainty. People are idiots and fanatics are the worst kind of them. Many would rather destroy entire planet than end up losing. Maybe, not countries like Russia or USA, because even when they lose they are still fine, but countries like Pakistan or North Korea would use it.

For now these countries are observers. It's between USA and Russia. In my opinion, even EU somehow is standing aside joining one of the sides in this confrontation.
That's what I think.

[Hypersniper]

America shouldn't get involved
Europe shouldn't get involved

It's Russia's problem and we shouldn't be getting involved

Plus the media says that russia TOOK Crimea when it was a vote and stubborn people are saying its rigged with n evidence

WW3 only happens when we all run out of gas then its war for antarticar cause that's where the oil is

So it's WW3:anchorage

Wonder if anyone gets that reference

[TimeTrx]

Fallout 3, ref.

Anyway I still think that Russia is just trying to grab territory. I mean fine Crimea wants to separate but its totally a dick move to do it when Ukraine is in turmoil, sending in unmarked soldiers and calling it a peace-keeping mission. I do think Crimea and Russia is using the situation of the protests to weaken Ukraine.

I also think this may inspire other regions around Russia to demand independence or split and become part of another country formerly held by the country, like China and far east Russia.

[louiswill]

You are missing the fact that Russia could export oil and gas to China and North Korea.

Nod, some one thought I wasn't making sense.

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[oops_ur_dead]

so EU's oil imports from russia have significantly increased after the end of cold war. germany gets about a third of its oil from russia. oil will become pretty expensive if we don't get russian oil anymore. we'd need other sources. EU may release some of its reserves but that doesnt solve the problem, only delay it. importing from other countries isn't so good either because of the lack of pipelines. because of expensive oil and no exports to russia, EU economy will go down. because of globalization us economy will go down too. russian economy will of course go down too because of western sanctions and no energy export.
if invade ww3 starts. my guess is no one would use nuclear weapons though. because of annihilation. at least not at the start. cant guarantee what will happen if one side is about to lose. they might start one last strike. a final one.
so what do?

Nothing. Crimea isn't worth either of those options.

[Espozito]

Fallout 3, ref.

Anyway I still think that Russia is just trying to grab territory. I mean fine Crimea wants to separate but its totally a dick move to do it when Ukraine is in turmoil, sending in unmarked soldiers and calling it a peace-keeping mission. I do think Crimea and Russia is using the situation of the protests to weaken Ukraine.

I also think this may inspire other regions around Russia to demand independence or split and become part of another country formerly held by the country, like China and far east Russia.

Peace-keeping forces were introduced after Crimean people asked for help. The situation around Kiev is going back to nazi. Nationalists attack any non-ukrainian on the streets during the daylight even. I have a friend on skype from Ukraine (not from Crimea) and she tells that it's not safe to go out - you can get beaten or even worse, just because you are not Ukrainian. And the reigning Kiev government ignores it and in some ways even supports! Imagine what would Kiev do to Crimea (57% are Russian) if there was no defence by russian forces?

[Dagaen]

Peace-keeping forces were introduced after Crimean people asked for help. The situation around Kiev is going back to nazi. Nationalists attack any non-ukrainian on the streets during the daylight even. I have a friend on skype from Ukraine (not from Crimea) and she tells that it's not safe to go out - you can get beaten or even worse, just because you are not Ukrainian. And the reigning Kiev government ignores it and in some ways even supports! Imagine what would Kiev do to Crimea (57% are Russian) if there was no defence by russian forces?

Man, that is terrible. People shouldn't suffer because government is bad.

But I still believe that what Russia did is just as bad. Ukraine has some problems, true, but it's still a country and Crimea can't just go different way just because some people wanted it. And Russia had no right to take Crimea over, it was Ukraine's matter to handle. I'm probably biased, because Russia did the same in the past with my country:P

[Nick]

Whatever said, the US/EU attempted to expand their influence to Ukraine for their own selfish interest, Russia annexed Crimea, and Ukraine ended up as a pawn and loser.

The good thing about Russia's annexation of Crimea is that it's done cleanly without much bloodshed.

My opinion will still be people comes first before country.

[Nick]

Nonsense:

unless Viktor Yanukovych and his precedences intended to sell Crimea to Russia by not doing anything to localizing Russian immigrates.

Crimea was transferred to Ukraine during Soviet era (both under USSR).

new Russian strategy targeting neighbor countries.

All major world powers: US, China, Russia been doing that all along. Yes China too.
If you support their foes, even weaker nations will target neighboring countries.

I meant russian citizen who are temporarily in Crimea,

Wat... way easier to use phantom votes to cheat.

Hypocrisy:

It is rather like Russia has done both preparation : If it can, projecting influence on Kiev as much as possible. If it can not, take it over -- or at least recycle what's left.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.
And Russia is not the one who started it by stirring the hornet's nest.

1994 budapest memorandum

What about supporting protests?

[Apache]

HWHAT?!! XD
You are missing the fact that Russia could export oil and gas to China and North Korea.

yea true i missed that. but russian economy would still suffer too


but i think it's more between EU and russia this time, not like the cold war. EU deals the sanctions and EU gets hurt if russia stops exporting oil. plus ukraine is in europe too
us more supports our back

[louiswill]

Nonsense:


Crimea was transferred to Ukraine during Soviet era (both under USSR).


All major world powers: US, China, Russia been doing that all along. Yes China too.
If you support their foes, even weaker nations will target neighboring countries.


Wat... way easier to use phantom votes to cheat.

Hypocrisy:


Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.
And Russia is not the one who started it by stirring the hornet's nest.


What about supporting protests?

Other nations are doing same, so what?
Does 'other people also game throws' make my own game throwing more legit?
Yea Whoever doing more shit to neighbors are nations of more shits, and Russia has done the most recently.

It is totally reasonable to blame Russia, criticize U.S. and boycott China.

[AppleyNO]

The issue of Crimea being dependent on Ukraine for power has not been addressed. This is a big issue... how does Russia plan on providing services to Crimea without a land border?

[Nick]

Other nations are doing same, so what?
Does 'other people also game throws' make my own game throwing more legit?
Yea Whoever doing more shit to neighbors are nations of more shits, and Russia has done the most recently.

It is totally reasonable to blame Russia, criticize U.S. and boycott China.

What I meant was, as a gamethrower yourself you have no moral standing to criticize my gamethrowing. Screaming that the other is worse won't help, it'll just escalate the problem.

We elected our government, and had directly or indirectly benefited from the immoral actions that our government made, thus we also share the blame.

[Nick]

The issue of Crimea being dependent on Ukraine for power has not been addressed. This is a big issue... how does Russia plan on providing services to Crimea without a land border?

And Ukraine depends on Russia for power lol. I think that it can be solved, as long as they still have issues of mutual interest.

[Espozito]

The issue of Crimea being dependent on Ukraine for power has not been addressed. This is a big issue... how does Russia plan on providing services to Crimea without a land border?

Through Black Sea. Also there were discussions about building two bridges connecting the shortest length btw Russia and Crimea (see Google Map, south coast of Crimea).

[Numbertwo]

The issue of Crimea being dependent on Ukraine for power has not been addressed. This is a big issue... how does Russia plan on providing services to Crimea without a land border?

They plan on conquering the rest of ukraine.

[Espozito]

They plan on conquering the rest of ukraine.

*facepalm*
Who needs Ukraine? They are breaders!

[Admiral]

The issue of Crimea being dependent on Ukraine for power has not been addressed. This is a big issue... how does Russia plan on providing services to Crimea without a land border?

The infrastructure can be developed. There's tons of fiber optic cable already running through the ocean.

[louiswill]

Through Black Sea. Also there were discussions about building two bridges connecting the shortest length btw Russia and Crimea (see Google Map, south coast of Crimea).

I think this is a good move. Better traffic is better connection.