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[Sino]

what others*

[PowersThatBe]

Driving home from dinner with friends.

-vote sino

no shit posts dino

[Sino]

Driving home from dinner with friends.

-vote sino

no shit posts dino

Sure, put me at L-1, great play PTB !

[Mesk514]

-vote unvote

i'll let ptb keep his vote

[Sino]

-vote unvote

i'll let ptb keep his vote

Fine with me, just don't forget to answer this :

Why not ? That would allow us to interact more

For now, i'm unsure what that reaction tells us about your alignment, so let me ask you something :

You are you getting upset at me talking about your play ? You obviously don't give a shit about what other think about you.

[Sino]

Hi all!!

ika is at work for at least another 5 hours but I'm here for a little bit.

No PLing guys, bad idea in a game this small.

Regarding voting, I can understand the concern with it but scum would pretty much be outing themselves at this point if they quickhammered.

Town blocking and PoE voting is the best way to go in a nightless game.

~SW

@Empathy17 Actually, now that i think about it, i don't really like that one line from that post :

Town blocking and PoE voting is the best way to go in a nightless game.

Town blocking with only 6 players ? How would that work ? Why didn't you mention the way players interact with each other ? I think that's how we're more likely to find scum, rather than town block and PoE.

[Mesk514]

Why not ? That would allow us to interact more

For now, i'm unsure what that reaction tells us about your alignment, so let me ask you something :

You are you getting upset at me talking about your play ? You obviously don't give a shit about what other think about you.

There's no question here.. I don't give day 1 100 posts into the game reads

[Sino]

There's no question here.. I don't give day 1 100 posts into the game reads

And what about getting upset ?

[Mesk514]

And what about getting upset ?

It's irrelevant. I find you annoying as fuck so no matter what my demeanor is gonna be annoyed

[Rachyl]

hey whatsup, just checking in. can someone tell me how to play, havent done an SFM in awhile thanks

[Mesk514]

hey whatsup, just checking in. can someone tell me how to play, havent done an SFM in awhile thanks

Just like the mod rachyl. Red is always scum

[Sino]

I find you annoying as fuck so no matter what my demeanor is gonna be annoyed

I'm glad we understand each other

hey whatsup, just checking in. can someone tell me how to play, havent done an SFM in awhile thanks

Read, give your opinion and argue about it, that's basically it.

[Mesk514]

I'm glad we understand each other

But we don't understand each other

[PowersThatBe]

Hi just got home but need to poop and watch vampire diaries. Then I'll catch up.

-unvote

hehehe Dino.

[PowersThatBe]

scum can't kill, as long as PTB and i stick together, towns good....

-vote Sino

no need to even hear PTB speak. PTB & I are always town

True. I'm town 100% of the time.

[Sino]

Hi just got home but need to poop and watch vampire diaries. Then I'll catch up.

-unvote

hehehe Dino.

Take your time, i'm gonna go off pretty soon now.

[PowersThatBe]

Sure, put me at L-1, great play PTB !

Why not you're annoying AF.

And be careful when you talk about blindly following, PTB is in that game too.

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You literally don't know WIFOM fam.

dude IT WAS A JOKE.

Except 100% of the time, I am town.

See right now some of you are discussing turbo lynching me because i may be "detrimental"

Honestly, get off your high horse and shut it. I have never thrown a game, I have never blindly followed scum to the point where Scum won because of it, I may be shit but im not a dick rider like half of you. Like for instance, if Calix were here right now half of you would blindly follow her just because her vagina is british.

AMEN!!!!

And only shitposted....

Omfg Dino, she didn't shit post. This is why i wanted to turbo lynch you. Let it the fuck gooooooooooooo.

We will have to wait for people to check in, however you can tell us who you would vote right now, it still counts as voting pattern.

Given it's still RVS, i'd probably go for PTB.

Why would you vote me? I hadn't even voted you at this point. Didn't you say Mesk was #1 shit poster, so why wouldn't she be policy lynch? This statement literally makes no sense. LMAO.

Wouldn't be that easy.

If Mesk was town and PTB scum, they could just hammer me and i'm sure Mesk would still blindly follow PTB.

Except I'm town 100% of the time.

Just so you know, Banana is going to be mostly unavaliable for the first 2 days or so leaving me in charge. So prepare your fucking asses, no one is getting away from illegal activities.

pedit: added "away" instead of just "getting" which doesn't make any fucking sense.

OH GOD, @Mesk514 LETS FUCKING BURN THE WITCH, PLEASE?! Banana is way more reasonable...and I say that...with...uh...yeah.

I hate Mesk already. She voting Sino and sticking to the "PTB AND I ALWAYS TOWN BRUH" that she loves to say now.

TURBO-LYNCH DAY ONE?

I actually would love to clean our streets of disease. Can you tell us which one of you in scum and which one of you is town?

Ok, let's talk about something relevant.

Aren't you worried about scum hammering me ? if you're town i'm already in range.

Why? Are you town? This is nightless game. Mislynch's mean nothing tbh.

Yeah sure, always....

Maybe one day you'll learn scum can also claim town.

Btw, i would place a RVS vote but given there are 2 scums and only 3 votes are needed, i would worry about them wanting to hammer someone as fast as possible.

Except we're town, DIno. COME AGAIN bro.

With that said. I don't like IKA-wolf non-posts. Felt middle of the road.

Rachyl also didn't like her playing the naive game. It's gonna carry her days like it did arrow unfortunately, good scum move. Also, only thing I've seen from her. NAI right now, but hasn't contributed anything....so idk...

Sino is annoying af tunneling mesk day 1 since page 1. That's never good. Could be a good PL. Since I'm clearly a good pL to him lol.

Ebola....eh...gyrlander or FA is in that *****? Seems to be not posting anything of substance ATM.


And there's someone I'm missing.

[PowersThatBe]

Oh, and Mesk. Seems town. Hard to get accurate read when Sino is just accusing her of bs.

[PowersThatBe]

Ok going to poop and watch TVD now. Since I was able to pull posts since only 3 pages.

[Empathy17]

@Empathy17 Actually, now that i think about it, i don't really like that one line from that post :



Town blocking with only 6 players ? How would that work ? Why didn't you mention the way players interact with each other ? I think that's how we're more likely to find scum, rather than town block and PoE.

heres how it works

everyone at the 24 hr mark will name 2 other people they think is town (outside of themselfs). if there is a majorioty or universal agreemtn someone is a town read then they get part of the twon bloc. if we can make 3 people who can fit that ideal, scum will lose based on the POE. the literaly only way to beat it is to have both scums in the POE block.

Furthermore, we have a lazy sherrif in the mix so if they are outside of the POE block they can jsut claim and add themselfs in and we lynch the other two and again, the only way it fails is if both scums are in the bloc to begin with so town blocing is the best route to take.

even in the event of noly lynching one scum out of the 3 we still get one scum down and have 4 people left. from there we would need one person+sherrif to be town to win so the scum would have to fit both blocs to do.

[PowersThatBe]

heres how it works

everyone at the 24 hr mark will name 2 other people they think is town (outside of themselfs). if there is a majorioty or universal agreemtn someone is a town read then they get part of the twon bloc. if we can make 3 people who can fit that ideal, scum will lose based on the POE. the literaly only way to beat it is to have both scums in the POE block.

Furthermore, we have a lazy sherrif in the mix so if they are outside of the POE block they can jsut claim and add themselfs in and we lynch the other two and again, the only way it fails is if both scums are in the bloc to begin with so town blocing is the best route to take.

even in the event of noly lynching one scum out of the 3 we still get one scum down and have 4 people left. from there we would need one person+sherrif to be town to win so the scum would have to fit both blocs to do.

Actually not a bad plan.

[Mesk514]

ok checking in and then going to bed.

these are just observations//comments... NOT READS

I can see a Sino & Empathy scum team cause they're both kinda super nonchalant with each other.
Empathy and Ebola have yet to really interact with each other
Rachyl has said like 1 thing
PTB has actually never rolled scum...

kbye

[Mesk514]

oh also, im a citizen as fuck so for me this game is really
-find the sheriff
-sort through last 4 players

[The Ebola Virus]

I haven't read anything yet, hopefully Grylanders been picking up my slack

In case he hasn't mentioned yet we discussed it and think sheriff should reveal around midday since they're a confirmed town and scum is very unlikely to CC day 1 vs highly likely to CC day 2 if we mislynch day 1

Ill try to read but I'm exhausted as fuck from end of semester so I'm prolly just gonna go sleep

[Sino]

Why not you're annoying AF.



SHUT THE FUCK UP. You literally don't know WIFOM fam.



Except 100% of the time, I am town.



AMEN!!!!



Omfg Dino, she didn't shit post. This is why i wanted to turbo lynch you. Let it the fuck gooooooooooooo.



Why would you vote me? I hadn't even voted you at this point. Didn't you say Mesk was #1 shit poster, so why wouldn't she be policy lynch? This statement literally makes no sense. LMAO.



Except I'm town 100% of the time.



OH GOD, @Mesk514 LETS FUCKING BURN THE WITCH, PLEASE?! Banana is way more reasonable...and I say that...with...uh...yeah.



I actually would love to clean our streets of disease. Can you tell us which one of you in scum and which one of you is town?



Why? Are you town? This is nightless game. Mislynch's mean nothing tbh.



Except we're town, DIno. COME AGAIN bro.

With that said. I don't like IKA-wolf non-posts. Felt middle of the road.

Rachyl also didn't like her playing the naive game. It's gonna carry her days like it did arrow unfortunately, good scum move. Also, only thing I've seen from her. NAI right now, but hasn't contributed anything....so idk...

Sino is annoying af tunneling mesk day 1 since page 1. That's never good. Could be a good PL. Since I'm clearly a good pL to him lol.

Ebola....eh...gyrlander or FA is in that *****? Seems to be not posting anything of substance ATM.


And there's someone I'm missing.

So basically "Sino is annoying for trying to get a good read on Mesk"

Also, fuck off with this "im confirmed town" bs.

heres how it works

everyone at the 24 hr mark will name 2 other people they think is town (outside of themselfs). if there is a majorioty or universal agreemtn someone is a town read then they get part of the twon bloc. if we can make 3 people who can fit that ideal, scum will lose based on the POE. the literaly only way to beat it is to have both scums in the POE block.

Furthermore, we have a lazy sherrif in the mix so if they are outside of the POE block they can jsut claim and add themselfs in and we lynch the other two and again, the only way it fails is if both scums are in the bloc to begin with so town blocing is the best route to take.

even in the event of noly lynching one scum out of the 3 we still get one scum down and have 4 people left. from there we would need one person+sherrif to be town to win so the scum would have to fit both blocs to do.

Alright, but we might just not come to any agreement, or having one scum in the block might be enough, there are some ways this plan can fail.

[Sino]

ok checking in and then going to bed.

these are just observations//comments... NOT READS

I can see a Sino & Empathy scum team cause they're both kinda super nonchalant with each other.
Empathy and Ebola have yet to really interact with each other
Rachyl has said like 1 thing
PTB has actually never rolled scum...

kbye

Now that's interesting, can you develop it a bit ?

Also, the sheriff might as well claim right away, unless there's a cc, he's confirmed and can never die.

[PowersThatBe]

So basically "Sino is annoying for trying to get a good read on Mesk"

Also, fuck off with this "im confirmed town" bs.



Alright, but we might just not come to any agreement, or having one scum in the block might be enough, there are some ways this plan can fail.

It's not bs bc I'm always town ALWAYS town.

[Empathy17]

I haven't read anything yet, hopefully Grylanders been picking up my slack

In case he hasn't mentioned yet we discussed it and think sheriff should reveal around midday since they're a confirmed town and scum is very unlikely to CC day 1 vs highly likely to CC day 2 if we mislynch day 1

Ill try to read but I'm exhausted as fuck from end of semester so I'm prolly just gonna go sleep

I would think that unless sheriff is outside of the toen bloc they should not claim. it allows double safety against scum getting in

Alright, but we might just not come to any agreement, or having one scum in the block might be enough, there are some ways this plan can fail.

I already outlined the only way that it could fail: if both scums got in the town bloc on the first go around. Secondly, if we get the first they would have to be town enough to be the oly person to be with sherirr. If anyone can pull that off then yes, they will win and truly deserve an MVP award for it but i doubt anyone can do it.

Regarding the agreemtn: its not meant to be "ok everyone agress to X" its what the majority agrees on. if 4 of the 6 agree on a single player we make them into a town bloc. heck even 3 votes would be enough. if everyone had a 2 way split or something then we add a third person

Now that's interesting, can you develop it a bit ?

Also, the sheriff might as well claim right away, unless there's a cc, he's confirmed and can never die.

again, i would have it claim post voing on town bloc under the condition that they are outside of it otherwise we make it sligly harder. if anythign sheriff claiming if hes outside fo town bloc makes it easier for us

[Sino]

It's not bs bc I'm always town ALWAYS town.

I'd like to know how your greater intellect came to the conclusion you can't be scum just because you never were before

[Sino]

I would think that unless sheriff is outside of the toen bloc they should not claim. it allows double safety against scum getting in



I already outlined the only way that it could fail: if both scums got in the town bloc on the first go around. Secondly, if we get the first they would have to be town enough to be the oly person to be with sherirr. If anyone can pull that off then yes, they will win and truly deserve an MVP award for it but i doubt anyone can do it.

Regarding the agreemtn: its not meant to be "ok everyone agress to X" its what the majority agrees on. if 4 of the 6 agree on a single player we make them into a town bloc. heck even 3 votes would be enough. if everyone had a 2 way split or something then we add a third person



again, i would have it claim post voing on town bloc under the condition that they are outside of it otherwise we make it sligly harder. if anythign sheriff claiming if hes outside fo town bloc makes it easier for us

I think the sheriff has to claim d1 no matter what, we can afford a 1v1 today, if we mislynch, it will be mylo, having the sheriff not claim todays sets us up for a scum cc tomorrow.

[PowersThatBe]

In my mind:

Town:

-Mesk
-Sino
-Ebola (Sheriff)
-Me (obvi)

Scum:

-Rachyl
-Empathy17


KK -- let's get a sheriff claim and a town block so we can solve this game.

[PowersThatBe]

I'mm gonna go grab food then I'll be here until 5pm eastern. After, idk when I'll be back b/c doing some family ish, and potentially have a date (kind've canceled on him/pushed it back to later b/c family thing, so let's hope he's not mad LOL)

KK bye bb in 1 hour.

[The Ebola Virus]

I would think that unless sheriff is outside of the toen bloc they should not claim. it allows double safety against scum getting in



I already outlined the only way that it could fail: if both scums got in the town bloc on the first go around. Secondly, if we get the first they would have to be town enough to be the oly person to be with sherirr. If anyone can pull that off then yes, they will win and truly deserve an MVP award for it but i doubt anyone can do it.

Regarding the agreemtn: its not meant to be "ok everyone agress to X" its what the majority agrees on. if 4 of the 6 agree on a single player we make them into a town bloc. heck even 3 votes would be enough. if everyone had a 2 way split or something then we add a third person



again, i would have it claim post voing on town bloc under the condition that they are outside of it otherwise we make it sligly harder. if anythign sheriff claiming if hes outside fo town bloc makes it easier for us

No. Sheriff claims day 1 to avoid day 2 CC. This is obviously the right move and suggesting leaving it to day 2 is scummy as it gives scum a better chance to CC.

Sheriff should claim at mid day to let people read them first ofc.

This whol town block idea is bad imo. Forced town block a never work. Only naturally formed ones.

[The Ebola Virus]

In my mind:

Town:

-Mesk
-Sino
-Ebola (Sheriff)
-Me (obvi)

Scum:

-Rachyl
-Empathy17


KK -- let's get a sheriff claim and a town block so we can solve this game.

Why do you scum read Empathy yet agree to their idea of a forced town block?

[PowersThatBe]

Why do you scum read Empathy yet agree to their idea of a forced town block?

Bc mesk actually said it first. They just wrote more.

[The Ebola Virus]

I don't recall Mesk mentioning townblocking. Could you point out which post she suggested it in?

[PowersThatBe]

I don't recall Mesk mentioning townblocking. Could you point out which post she suggested it in?

Not specifically town blocking. But she said the game should focus on finding sheriff then sorting the last 4 people (obvi she counted herself as town after she hard claimed citizen).

Empathy just expanded on what she said and said we need a town block. Which, yes I agree trying to establish a town block would be helpful. However, I am more concerned that the last 3 posts after mesks all basically said the same thing with only minor variations.

And tbh, I don't have hard reads -- above is a guy read, I'm waiting for sheriff to claim to see if my reads shift at all.

I just don't like the shadow game Rachyl is playing. I've seen her lurking.

[PowersThatBe]

And I was wrong empathy said it first. Not mesk, so now idk. Still gut reading empathy.

Ebola are you sheriff?

[Sino]

In my mind:

Town:

-Mesk
-Sino
-Ebola (Sheriff)
-Me (obvi)

Scum:

-Rachyl
-Empathy17


KK -- let's get a sheriff claim and a town block so we can solve this game.

I'm surprised you town read me.

[PowersThatBe]

I'm surprised you town read me.

Why? Should I scum you?

[Empathy17]

ika and I have played several nightless games and town blocking and PoE is the best way for town to win in all situations. Especially considering scum have no kill.

Having the sheriff claim if they are outside the townblock puts them in it and PoE's the scum out even more. At this point it's pretty clear Ebola is the Sheriff and I see no need to dance around the issue anymore so this point is moot.

Bottom line is in games with longer deadlines it is easier to figure out who is town and town block off of interactions and posting, however in a game with short deadlines where people aren't always on at the same time, and only 6 people, the way ika described is the best way to do it. It's not forcing if most people to agree to who should be in it. Forcing it is when one person says they are making a townblock with x,y,z and no one else can discuss it. No one is saying that.

I don't really like how it's being shot down as a bad idea without anyone discussing it rationally. If you want to call us scum for coming up with it, then go ahead and vote us out of the block and lynch us as a PoE lynch. It is stupid to discount something that is objectively a town win no matter how you play it unless the 2 scum are so town and the other townies are super scummy.

~SW

[Empathy17]

also

-vote [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=22059"]Rachyl[/URL]

ive already decided who im voting for in the town bloc and this sack of crap is just scum or POE myslynch shit

[Empathy17]

-vote [B]Rachyl[/B]

fuck my life

[Empathy17]

-vote rachyl

this is why i dont do advance formatting when i post. all the crap gets carried over

[Sino]

Why? Should I scum you?

Nope, but you did mention how i was annoying and tunneling Mesk to you, i'm legit curious to know how you got that town lean on me.

ika and I have played several nightless games and town blocking and PoE is the best way for town to win in all situations. Especially considering scum have no kill.

Having the sheriff claim if they are outside the townblock puts them in it and PoE's the scum out even more. At this point it's pretty clear Ebola is the Sheriff and I see no need to dance around the issue anymore so this point is moot.

Bottom line is in games with longer deadlines it is easier to figure out who is town and town block off of interactions and posting, however in a game with short deadlines where people aren't always on at the same time, and only 6 people, the way ika described is the best way to do it. It's not forcing if most people to agree to who should be in it. Forcing it is when one person says they are making a townblock with x,y,z and no one else can discuss it. No one is saying that.

I don't really like how it's being shot down as a bad idea without anyone discussing it rationally. If you want to call us scum for coming up with it, then go ahead and vote us out of the block and lynch us as a PoE lynch. It is stupid to discount something that is objectively a town win no matter how you play it unless the 2 scum are so town and the other townies are super scummy.

~SW

So in other words, the plan is to discuss who we think is town for today and who is the best lynch target, i somehow have the feeling you're trying to paint yourself as the towniest here by giving us a plan that is actually just play the game.

And i still don't understand how you could not mention interactions between every player, that's most likely how we're gonna find scum.

[SilverWolf]

I'm ignoring stupidity. I'm not asking anyone to townread us for the plan. I'm stating objectively what is the best play for town. It isn't that hard to understand unless you make it difficult in which case, I'm just gonna ignore you and move on. If you think we are planting ourselves as town leader, put us outside the block like I've already said.

~SW

[Empathy17]

I'm ignoring stupidity. I'm not asking anyone to townread us for the plan. I'm stating objectively what is the best play for town. It isn't that hard to understand unless you make it difficult in which case, I'm just gonna ignore you and move on. If you think we are planting ourselves as town leader, put us outside the block like I've already said.

~SW

heh

[Empathy17]

And i still don't understand how you could not mention interactions between every player, that's most likely how we're gonna find scum.

regarding this, its falls short becasue you are either

A) making pre-flip assocaitves
or
B) allowing scums to have the potential to controll dicussion

by having the town bloc scums cant argue it and have to play on our terms

[Empathy17]

Sino is acting exactly as he has in the last game as town by kind of being dense about everything and asking a lot of questions. Mesk's outburst plus post about finding sheriff and figuring out other 4 is kind of townie because it follows the line of thinking that we have been expressing and that work in town's favor. We are reaching the 24 hour mark and we are excluding Ebola only because they are the likely sheriff so they are in it regardless. Out of PTB and Rachel, I'd rather lynch the lurking player at this time. We can re-evaluate later.

~SW

[PowersThatBe]

Nope, but you did mention how i was annoying and tunneling Mesk to you, i'm legit curious to know how you got that town lean on me.

Annoying and tunneling =/= scum. Annoying and tunneling = stupid. But not scum. I lean you town because you want sheriff to insta claim, which, there is no scum motivation for sorting confirmable town early. Also, the fact that you started out game trying instead of chilling gives me more town lean than not. As, I said earlier, this was purely gut read. I'm waiting for sheriff claim.

There ya have it