Day VII: Revenge at 6 am

[FM Ashiok]

To spell it out for everyone:
Going into last night Vermaak had 3 players. Tessebik was kidnapped and Karn knows that. Kidnapper had Tess so he couldn't go for night kill. They sent the janitor who still charges left for the kill because the third Vermaak, Karn, had enough town wifom to not risk his life to a possible bodyguard.

[FM Karn]

First, if I am a Vermaak disguiser, how did I found Vraska and Tessebik. Second, why would I reveal Kiora if I am his teammate?

[FM Ashiok]

1: Disguiser can read target's last will
2: Kiora is still alive, he isn't confirmed Vermaak yet. And f he flips Vermaak it buys you more town wifom and a mislynch on a town later. Kiora hasn't been the most active players and is competing for a shrinking number of town slots.

[FM Ral Zarek]

theory time

let's assume karn is not lying. that means that elspeth is telling the truth and sifa can only be nk
so that is our role list


Investigator mas
Coroner elspeth
Random Power Militia lookout venser
Random Power Militia ?? karn
Militia Member me
Militia Member meshu
Militia Member tamiyo
Militia Member green sandruu
cole ashiok
nix tessebik
vermaak x2 kiora, teferi
nk sifa

[FM Ral Zarek]

i just assigned all roles that are left according to day start post including cleaned roles

[FM Ral Zarek]

well apart from obvious ones like jailor

[FM Kiora Atua]

Sorry all, haven't gotten a chance to check the forums til now.

@Karn labeling a Cole as Vermaak in an attempt to get another one lynched is more obvious than you think

@Ral I too question your massive change in activity, as you've gone from very low activity/posting to extreme levels. To be honest I agree with Sandruu. If we believe Sifa, I think you would be the next most likely candidate for the neutral killer. I too see the possibility Sandruu is the green cit -> Tessebik is Janitor/Consigliere (would make sense to claim the cit role as more important than the green cit).

The votes really need to cluster if we have any chance of pulling off a lynch today. I think the best course of action is to sheep Mesh + Mas today, so I would ask them to cluster their votes and lead a bit more.

[FM Ral Zarek]

what do you mean by labeling a cole as vermaak and by agreeing with sandruu
i see no reasons to believe sifa

what you're right about is that mas and meshu need to agree on a lynch

[FM Teferi]

sry ive been working nonstop. Things don't look very good for us considering all the scum need to do is refuse to vote and we can't pull off a lynch.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, all I can say is that Neutral Killer is probably Ral Zarek. You should be able to find out by yourself what I, hmm, really am.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I also believe that Meshuvel, Teferi, Kiora and Sandruu should be pefectly able to vote Ashiok today. You'll do that for us, hmm?

[FM Meshuvel]

Sorry all, haven't gotten a chance to check the forums til now.

@Karn labeling a Cole as Vermaak in an attempt to get another one lynched is more obvious than you think

@Ral I too question your massive change in activity, as you've gone from very low activity/posting to extreme levels. To be honest I agree with Sandruu. If we believe Sifa, I think you would be the next most likely candidate for the neutral killer. I too see the possibility Sandruu is the green cit -> Tessebik is Janitor/Consigliere (would make sense to claim the cit role as more important than the green cit).

The votes really need to cluster if we have any chance of pulling off a lynch today. I think the best course of action is to sheep Mesh + Mas today, so I would ask them to cluster their votes and lead a bit more.

We need to gamble on keeping the neut killer alive for now. Vermaak can kidnap him if they figure out his identity and consider him a significant enough of a threat.

Cole is a far bigger threat to the vermaak than he is to us. Lynching him would be helping them too much but I'd rather lynch him than nobody.

I do not want to lynch a vermaak or neut killer, in fact I want to try and keep the kidnapper alive to neutralize the threat of an arsonist.

[FM Kiora Atua]

We need to gamble on keeping the neut killer alive for now. Vermaak can kidnap him if they figure out his identity and consider him a significant enough of a threat.

Cole is a far bigger threat to the vermaak than he is to us. Lynching him would be helping them too much but I'd rather lynch him than nobody.

I do not want to lynch a vermaak or neut killer, in fact I want to try and keep the kidnapper alive to neutralize the threat of an arsonist.

There's also the fact that if it's an arson they can day-ignite, which will likely occur if the bandwagon forms on him or her, though I'm hoping not many of the living players are doused right now.

[FM Karn]

We aren't completely sure Ashiok is Cole, he could be Nix.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I believe that Nix is Elspeth or someone else, so... That leaves Ashiok. If he flips anything other than Cole, then Cole is... hmm... Sandruu?

[FM Karn]

Cole-sandruu
Nix-ashiok
Green militia-tessebik

Vermaak-kiora
Vermaak-ral/sifa/teferi

Arsonist-ral/sifa/teferi

Invest-masrath
Cop-karn
Priest-meshuvel
Priest-ral/sifa/teferi
Coroner-elspeth

This list makes much more sense, Sandruu is cole/cit but there's no more cit according to masrath.

[FM Karn]

Edit to the list above: sifa can't be vermaak

[FM Karn]

-vote FM Sandruu

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm... I never thought that my last idea would be so awesome. So he is not Citizen, either?

-vote FM Sandruu

[FM Ral Zarek]

Cole-sandruu
Nix-ashiok
Green militia-tessebik

Vermaak-kiora
Vermaak-ral/sifa/teferi

Arsonist-ral/sifa/teferi

Invest-masrath
Cop-karn
Priest-meshuvel
Priest-ral/sifa/teferi
Coroner-elspeth

This list makes much more sense, Sandruu is cole/cit but there's no more cit according to masrath.

makes no sense at all, ashiok was checked by invest

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, when he was checked by Masrath? I think Ashiok claimed citizen role by himself, right? And maybe he was checked by sheriff instead, hmm?

[FM Ashiok]

Invest checked me, I am in the cit pairing. Your list is half assed; you even listed sifa as vermaak though you claim to have checked him and gotten a ns read.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm... I'm better put my vote back to where it used to be. Assuming what Masrath said is true... hmm...

-vote FM Ashiok

[FM Ashiok]

Handing a win to the person that didn't contribute all game. So sad.

[FM Tessebik]

Hmm... I'm better put my vote back to where it used to be. Assuming what Masrath said is true... hmm...

-vote FM Ashiok

I thought you were our friend Mr. neutral killer...

-vote FM Sifa Grent

[FM Ashiok]

I thought you were our friend Mr. neutral killer...

-vote FM Sifa Grent

I just don't understand why town wants my conduits to lose so badly. I chose to be a hero, not to ally with the Beast. If town truly believes it can't win then shouldn't they help us kill evil? It would be a noble gesture.

[FM Tessebik]

I just don't understand why town wants my conduits to lose so badly. I chose to be a hero, not to ally with the Beast. If town truly believes it can't win then shouldn't they help us kill evil? It would be a noble gesture.

The issue is the town CAN win... if we turn on each other. By voting you, they're trying to create a rift between conduits (not to mention conveniently eliminating the night immune one so that we can kill each other more efficiently).

[FM Ashiok]

The issue is the town CAN win... if we turn on each other. By voting you, they're trying to create a rift between conduits (not to mention conveniently eliminating the night immune one so that we can kill each other more efficiently).

But if I'm lynched then town is the focus for kills tonight because they will hold the power if we kill each other at night.

[FM Ashiok]

Of course, all scum could come together today and vote off a town. 3 Coles, 2 Vermaak and a Killing conduit is enough to get rid of pesky investigator.

[FM Ashiok]

My olive branch for today gentlemen

-vote FM Masrath

[FM Ral Zarek]

we'll let you win all you have to do is kill vermaak tonight
we'll only let you win if you deserved it by killing vermaak. we won't do all the work eliminating vermaak and you don't even kill one of them
why would we do this
if you want to win you have to attack vermaak to

so we lynch cole now then you attack one vermaak and tomorrow we lynch we other vermaak and then we lynch the neutral killer. then you won because it's 2vs 2


srsly you want to lynch town today? in case you haven't noticed yet, we're the weakest faction atm. you profit way more to try to pull a lynch on the other faction and to kill them at night too. town already lost

[FM Ashiok]

We can come to an agreement, plz remove your votes from my team and I and we wil work something out. Otherwise all scum would benefit by lynching a town today.

[FM Tessebik]

we'll let you win all you have to do is kill vermaak tonight
we'll only let you win if you deserved it by killing vermaak. we won't do all the work eliminating vermaak and you don't even kill one of them
why would we do this
if you want to win you have to attack vermaak to

so we lynch cole now then you attack one vermaak and tomorrow we lynch we other vermaak and then we lynch the neutral killer. then you won because it's 2vs 2


srsly you want to lynch town today? in case you haven't noticed yet, we're the weakest faction atm. you profit way more to try to pull a lynch on the other faction and to kill them at night too. town already lost

Yeah, no... this is exactly what NOT to do. Again, I return to your renewed interest in the game as evidence that scum can still throw this

[FM Sandruu]

-vote FM Ral Zarek

Since mafias refuse to vote each other and town refuses to lynch potential town: I vote we get rid of the neutral Arsonist.

[FM Ral Zarek]

sifa is arsonist dumb scum

[FM Ral Zarek]

We can come to an agreement, plz remove your votes from my team and I and we wil work something out. Otherwise all scum would benefit by lynching a town today.

what agreement do you mean

[FM Meshuvel]

-vote fm ashiok

[FM Meshuvel]

karn and sandruu, if you're town lynch ashiok before the day ends

[FM Ashiok]

All scum should vote Masrath, that way we can act tonight without worrying about town having majority.

[FM Ral Zarek]

karn and sandruu, if you're town lynch ashiok before the day ends

or elspeth

[FM Tessebik]

Fair enough: if you guys want to lynch Ashiok and ensure that the scum will only hit town tonight, be my guest. I, being an idealist, will instead choose my master's alternative:

-vote FM Masrath

The loyal sacrifice of Xenagos shall be avenged!

Regardless of what happens, I should be jailed again tonight.

[FM Karn]

-vote FM Ashiok

This doesn't make sense, there are 5 town left, Sandruu can't be cit.

[FM Karn]

On what night did Masrath checked Ashiok? I can't find his post.

[FM Ashiok]

-vote FM Ashiok

This doesn't make sense, there are 5 town left, Sandruu can't be cit.

5 town, 6 scum, 6 votes to lynch. guess who got the short end of the stick?

[FM Karn]

5 town, 6 scum, 6 votes to lynch. guess who got the short end of the stick?

Nk or even vermaak will vote with us

[FM Meshuvel]

You've got 4 living members to the vermaaks 2 and we're Trying to Lynch the 1 member they can't kill at night and you've said you would attack town till they end if we Lynch you, vermaak would be stupid not to Lynch you.

[FM Tessebik]

You've got 4 living members to the vermaaks 2 and we're Trying to Lynch the 1 member they can't kill at night and you've said you would attack town till they end if we Lynch you, vermaak would be stupid not to Lynch you.

4 members?

[FM Tessebik]

Also, we'll attack town until you're no longer a threat: as of now, you are most definitely a threat.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

kill me first pls

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

-vote FM Ashiok