Fire why wont you respond to the post? It covers and refutes the main reasoning behind your vote on me. We spent 71 hours getting to this point, if you want this lynch to go off on me just counter my argument against your post. It should be easy if I am mafia right?
It wasn't a full ISO, which is what I want. I don't want to have an opinion on based on the posts Helz thinks are significant, but based on the ones I myself find significant. And frankly, I'd never blindly trust a Helz ISO with how good he is as subtly flipping a read on someone to suit his liking as scum.
cute trying to copy your fit from last game when you were town. Why do you refuse to counter my arguments made on 490? Oh right you have no counter argument other than WELL DUCK DUCK HE UH DUCK DUCK HE SAID POCKET WRONG HE SAID POCKETING IN THE WRONG CASE. get the fuck out of here.
I have calmed down.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
I see it like
Banana: I believe this because of X
Me: Can you clarify X
Banana: I already said I believe this because of X
Me: Yes, But can you further explain your reasoning; and I dislike the way you are doing Y
Banana: Fuck you, I play how I want and am trying not to be toxic
Can you see this pattern throughout my interactions with her? Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that as town Banana would show some level of aggression against a player that from her perspective would be trying to get her mislynched? The only way I could see her reactions to my post making sense is if she town read me, but she does not. I think I am her top scum read and she has made pretty much 0 effort to get me lynched. Ask yourself why that is.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
@Helz what do you think of fire refusing to acknowledge my long ISO on him that attacks the main points of his argument on why I am mafia?
No one is able to compromise so I think we are heading to no lynch, which isn't going to be good, but w/e.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
40 minutes until end of day..
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I am not lynching any of these three:
(Kovath, Mz, Bananacucho)
So, anyone else.
I can go to.
But I prefer PLZELEAVEDUCKK as I have made plainly clear.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Well this realllly stretches OOG communication in a way but I just had a conversation with him on skype in which he is irritated about something totally unrelated to the game. I hate to bring that into my reasoning here but I suspect that is why he has not immediately responded. I will have to look back and see where you were asking and how long he has not answered and such..
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I know this is your answer not his (I don't really care about the OCG) but this a totally bullshit answer. I can understand if something is happening, and he is unable to post. But if he is here and able to shit post, he sure as hell is able to respond to my post which is pretty fucking important at this stage of the game.
This scramble is kinda all over the place which is odd because its Fire getting lynched today, not you.
I want to lynch Fire and that is who I am pushing. But please continue this narrative you are pushing that I am not playing the game, as you've done all game.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
You voted me and read me mafia because of my plays such as the lynch order when you had the EXACT SAME PLAN. You can't scum read me for it without scumreading yourself therefore that should not be factored in. Based on recent posts and you mentioned earlier that I did not mention because of how laughable it was, but you also read me mafia for my incorrect use of pocketing. Is that the only thing you have to read me mafia as of now or is there something else. Help myself, and others understand your full mafia read on me.
I think that's a fairly accurate summary of your interaction, but I don't think enough credit is being given for how thorough some of BananaCucho's "because X" explanations actually are. I would prefer she explain more, but it's not like she's leaving everything in the dark. The question is whether she's an annoyed town or scum who doesn't want to keep talking for one reason or another. Given what I know of her temperament and that fact that she's actually given a fair degree of reasoning, I'm inclined to see annoyed town. Even though I don't like her reaction, it's not a strong scum indicator for me.
I also don't like how she's not voting you, but she's been very consistent today, with a point I agree with that, that votes before EOD are for pressure, not actually trying to lynch someone, given how valuable D1 is. She was going after who she thought she could get more information out, which was apparently her null read, not you. I will agree I do find it mysterious how close it is to EOD without her having a vote now, though.
@BananaCucho , why aren't you voting anyone atm?
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT MINE WAS. KOVATH AND BANANA WERE BOTH OUR TOWNS TO NOT BE LYNCHED AND THE OTHERS COULD BE LYNCHED IN ANY ORDER. I JUST ALSO GAVE MY SCUMMIEST PLAYERS IN ORDER BUT SAID LYNCH THEM IN ANY ORDER. the fact oyu cant see it is identical is fucking laughable.
@MattZed
My vote was on Fire and Duck put him at L-1 a few hours ago so I unvoted.
It's pretty close to the end of day now though.
-vote Firebringer
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Again with the straw man. I have said that you are apathetic. That you have not put much effort into the game. That you have been town reading people for dumb reasons and have hardly directly pushed a single player. I believe you are the ONLY player in this game who has played this way. It screams "I just want to survive; be my friend" and the way you have avoided clarifying things reminds me of watching politicians on TV regurgitate the same rehearsed and reasoned out answer to a question as opposed to naturally communicating their thoughts.
Hopefully you will be more receptive in private chats.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
23 mins until end of day
Firebringer is at L1
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I can already tell how my night chat with Helz is gonna go.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
banana I just want you to put some effort in the game
fuck you
Can you explain your read on fuck you
fuck you
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
If we are to lynch today, I can be content with either a Fire or Duckk lynch. I haven't read Kovath deeply enough to have a solid read, but the reason I haven't put effort into reading him is that he hasn't done anything that flagged my attention as suspicious. I would not lynch Kovath today. While BananaCucho and Helz would both prove interesting lynches and be somewhat informative via my host meta argument outlined before, I think they're both highly productive and have given me good reason to give each at least a town lean, albeit with some suspicious behavior that prevents a full-on townread, such as anything drunk Helz said or Banana's hostility.
Spoiler : Partial Fire ISO :
17 minutes to hammer my minion
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I'm ok with Fire, Banana, Unknown as lynches.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
Its not about how much she has explained. Its about the refusal to say anything more than she previously did. I have never seen a player take a position of "Because I have said X which makes some level of sense I am unwilling to say anything more." That is just batshit insane. The reason to communicate your reads to other players is to get them to understand and see what you see. To allow others to critique your read and get them to potentially take up your position. Stating a position and then refusing to interact with the position as the subject points to a player taking a position for other reasons than to have their read critiqued or persuade others of their position. That is an objectively scummy action.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
It is pretty much me or nolynch.
So go ahead and lynch.
I guess I wont get to try these PTs out.
Meh.
GOod luck to town.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Apparently I am not making progress with Banana in either gaining any information from her or persuading others to apply the pressure necessary to gain information from her. Sense I would rather go into private chats before considering lynching fire and Unknown is not really a viable option I am going with my original vote.
-vote Calix
We should take more time to work it out.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
A point about night chats:
For the most part, I will be starting my night chat messages with the tag [To ALL], indicating that I am sending the message to everyone. The more we treat the night chats like a public chat, the more common material we have to scumhunt from.
If we don't get a scum lynch today, I will not tolerate any town pretending to be someone's scumbuddy as a gambit; while it may be a worthwhile gambit to fake scum, this is a tactic akin to claiming Sheriff as Citizen; allowing it gives scum more room to maneuver and makes them harder to pin down. I encourage the rest of you to do the same.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.