Epilogue - Workers of the World, Unite!

[Forum Mafia GM]

Fyodor and Leonid sat in the farmhouse they and their deceased fellow Germans have been using as a hideout for the past week, wondering what their next course of action should be. From the reports, they knew that the war was not going well for the German Empire, with the Allied forces making significant advances onto German soil. They dared not return to the Empire, out of fear of being labelled as deserters and shamefully executed, but they could not remain either, knowing that exile or execution by the new Bolshevik power was in their future. Wordlessly, Fyodor stood up and walked out of the farmhouse, heading towards the core of Petrograd. There, he walked into the shop of a Viteslav, the local gunsmith, who was sleeping in the chair behind the desk. Awaken by the sudden intrusion, Viteslav looked Fyodor in the eyes as Fyodor quietly pulled out the pistol that Viteslav had given to him just the last night. Fyodor shot at Viteslav, but Viteslav was too quick for him and dodged, the bullet going into his shoulder instead of his heart. Wounded and bleeding on the floor, Viteslav lay unable to do anything as Fyodor walked up, pulling out his German-issued officer’s pistol, and shot Viteslav once in the head. Fyodor then put the same gun to his own head and pulled the trigger, ending his own life. Leonid, now having no other choice, picked up the general’s gun and ended his own life as well, without any hesitation.

The next day, a different person took the stand in front of what was left of the town. Vasili walked onto the podium and revealed his true identity, that of Joseph Stalin, to the entire town. The Petrograd Soviet, now the only ruling body in Petrograd and, by extension, all of Russia, quickly took charge of the city, arresting all dissidents and potential political enemies, as well as any remaining members of the bourgeois. One of the arrested was Ilya, a wealthy doctor who catered to the rich and upper-class, and refused to treat common peasants.

Ilya was loaded into a train bound for Siberia, uncertain of his fate. The temperature in the cold, steel container rapidly dropped as the train approached their destination, a small house in a wooded area. The doctor was roughly escorted into the house by several Bolshevik guards. Inside, he were surprised to find none other than Tsar Nicholas II and his family, sitting in chairs around the room. Nicholas II looked unusually tired, covered in bruises and quite thin, visible signs of malnutrition and abuse. The Bolshevik guards then left the room, leaving the ensemble alone. They sat in silence, with Ilya being too stunned for words, and with the Tsar finally understanding that his Empire collapsed, and that he had failed his people. It seemed like only a few seconds had passed before the Bolsheviks entered the room again, commanding the prisoners into another room. Not knowing what to expect, the prisoners obeyed, and were led into a stone room where they were ordered to line up against the walls. Their minds and wills now entirely resigned, they did so without a thought of disobedience. As soon as they had lined up against the wall, two other Bolshevik guards walked in armed with automatic rifles and, before any of the prisoners could react, shot all of them down. Royal blood mixed with common blood as the noble Tsar and the doctor both succumbed to their mere mortality, becoming equals in death. The last remnants of the Russian Empire died with the Tsar, leaving only a river of blood as red as the Bolshevik flag.

The Bolshevik success story in Petrograd spread throughout the entire Russian Empire, inspiring and awakening dormant Communist groups. Eventually Ukraine was overtaken by a Bolshevik-inspired revolutionary group, and became the Ukranian Soviet Republic. Then, revolution came to Belarus, welcomed by the suppressed and impoverished peasants. Piece by piece, the republics of the fallen Empire were swept with Communism, at times meeting resistance but always prevailing. The various soviets and congressions of the new Communist republics began to work together and unite, seeking power in numbers, and eventually the former Russian Empire recombined and became the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, with the triumphant Joseph Stalin at its helm.

ANARCHIST AND BOLSHEVIKS WIN!

Roles/Names List (Not entirely correct with names due to modkills, sorry):

General Claw Fyodor
Forger Goonswarm Nikifor
Detainer TheWaaagh Arkadi
Framer Zack Mihail
Sapper CmG Yakov
Medic Guardian Prokofi
Soldier Suicidaln00b Igor
Spotter Nick Leonid
Detective Kromos Alexei
Investigator Jackospades Galina
Propagandist Fragos Praskovia
Nicholas II Lix Nadezhda
Gunsmith Lysergic Viteslav
Doctor Ubernox Gavril
Doctor Steak Ilya
Actress Ganondorf Tatyana
Citizen Cygx Ania
Teacher Auckmid Oleg
Proletarian Ash Andrei
Proletarian Deathfire Viktoria
Proletarian Ambient Kirill
Peasant BBmolla Maksim
Proletarian Powers Moisey
Peasant Luna Juri
Peasant Jaczac Prokhor
Peasant Muso Matvei
Peasant Sumikoko Jaroslav
Peasant Echonian Georgi
Peasant Crimson Evgheni
Propagandist Mrsmarter Sergei
Lookout Dust Sacha
Peasant Borkbot Dimitri
Proletarian/Journalist Rocshi Jelena
Anarchist Dimwit Svetlana
Drunkard wolfcheese Nikita
Pagan Gorilla Peotr
Lenin FalseTruth Larisa
Stalin Capitalier Vasili

MVP goes to Clawtrocity (Fyodor) for managing to convince Nicholas II, and in extension the entire town, that he was undeniably innocent.

Dishonorable mention goes to jaczac (Prokhor) and Kevinpowers (Moisey) for attempting to get recruited by the Bolsheviks as peasants, considered gamethrowing.

[Vasili]

holla holla get dolla

[TheWaaagh]

I'm just happy we got to make someone 'splode before we all died.

[FalseTruth]

HERP DERP OKAY MR.CAPITALIER I WILL DO WATEVER U SAY. I AM UR OBEDIATENT LITTLE WHORE.

[Capitalier]

HERP DERP OKAY MR.CAPITALIER I WILL DO WATEVER U SAY. I AM UR OBEDIATENT LITTLE WHORE.

HI PHILLIE

[BorkBot]

Stalin is missing on the roles list!

And he's not exactly hiding cause he already posted twice in this thread.

[Dimwit]

I'm not mentioned... does my win count despite the suicides?

[Muso]

Knock knock

[Ash]

so did le commies recruit me? I was le andrei.

[Capitalier]

so did le commies recruit me? I was le andrei.

no we recruited claw

[Dimwit]

Falsetruth, you said I fucked up. I'd like to know how.

EDIT: For those who wanted to know, I took no action Night 3. The Anarchist didn't hit an invul target, or any target for that matter, on night 3.

[FalseTruth]

Falsetruth, you said I fucked up. I'd like to know how.

EDIT: For those who wanted to know, I took no action Night 3. The Anarchist didn't hit an invul target, or any target for that matter, on night 3.

1) Getting found by Germans even before they attacked you. (See Mafia chat Night 1)

2) Confirming you were Anarchist

3) Believing Fyodor for a long period of time in spite of the fact that you knew you were attacked and that if you added up the roles, you would clearly see it didn't make any sense.*

That being said, you were able to deduce his role eventually when everything was laid out for you when he slipped up by claiming witched for no plausible reason AND you did what all the Bolsheviks couldn't think of on the last day: switch the lynch to the witch. So overall, you played a decent game.

*Town is more guilty of this than you are, especially those who lived longer, such as Ilya who never healed a townsperson but managed to save Leonid from death.

[Ash]

yay i won on the last night. like a boss.

[Dimwit]

1) Getting found by Germans even before they attacked you. (See Mafia chat Night 1)

2) Confirming you were Anarchist

3) Believing Fyodor for a long period of time in spite of the fact that you knew you were attacked and that if you added up the roles, you would clearly see it didn't make any sense.

That being said, you were able to deduce his role eventually when everything was laid out for you when he slipped up by claiming witched for no plausible reason AND you did what all the Bolsheviks couldn't think of on the last day: switch the lynch to the witch. So overall, you played a decent game.

1) You mean they got my COM identity. You're right, because CMG saw the post I made in the MFM. But that info in and of itself didn't amount to anything but "send the sapper to him"

2) I didn't confirm anything until day 7. I'd love for you to point out where I confirmed it. The Germans attacked me night 3, what was I supposed to do? Not mention it? So, I said I was healed. This could't be confirmed in any real capacity, so it's a viable alternative theory. How is that in any way a confirmation?

3) I didn't believe Fyodor. I said he was scum Day 4 while considering he was German, I even mentioned that it was awfully convenient that he was healed when he was attacked while the Germans had a confirmed Medic. I didn't realize he was the General, but how can someone working on their own with not invest abilities discern someones identity to such a degree by day 4? I tried to attack him night 6. I knew he was German Day 6. I presented my theory Night 6, when I attacked him.

Why did I wait until night 6? Because I don't take action unless I'm sure. I was 100% certain that Mihail was German. I wasn't 100% on Fiodor, mainly because THE TOWN WOULDN'T COUNTER CLAIM A FUCKING WORD HE SAID. So why the fuck would I attack someone that might be town, while playing pro town, when I have a confirmed German in my eyes in Mihail?

If you want to criticize, please be my guest, but don't misrepresent the reality of what happened. My game was completely in control until the witch hit me. I prevented my own train lynch on day 4 by, NOT CLAIMING A FUCKING THING, and simply exposing the holes in the 'case' against me.

The only kill that I chose to make that wasn't very specific and right on point was Maksim. He was just a gamble shot for night 1.

[Ash]

Ever since I got into this game from le reserve, I always thought of the possibility of le Vasili being le cult. I mean seriously, look at that cult-looking black robe with a culty looking man in a red background. red and black is EVIL.

[BorkBot]

3) I didn't believe Fyodor. I said he was scum Day 4 while considering he was German, I even mentioned that it was awfully convenient that he was healed when he was attacked while the Germans had a confirmed Medic. I didn't realize he was the General, but how can someone working on their own with not invest abilities discern someones identity to such a degree by day 4? I tried to attack him night 6. I knew he was German Day 6. I presented my theory Night 6, when I attacked him.

Even disregarding the scrambled information from the messed up night actions, he posted so much that didn't make sense from a town perspective on day 3 (the worst of which was agreeing with his fellow German that lynching the Anarchist has priority, with 7 Germans still alive. Wtf?), he had to be hiding something. He also never voted up Igor or Nikifor, so that should have alarmed people. Unfortunately, they had too much blind faith in their little rep circle and overlooked what little was said in day chat.

At first, I actually thought Viteslav and Nadezdha were Germans because they were following the botched logic without posting any reasoning of their own. Jumping with joy that some misguided townsperson was doing all the work for them. When Kromos pointed out the fallacies in Fyodor's statements the day after my death, it opened my eyes in dead chat

[Capitalier]

I KILL THE TRAITOR EMPEROR

[FalseTruth]

1) You mean they got my COM identity. You're right, because CMG saw the post I made in the MFM. But that info in and of itself didn't amount to anything but "send the sapper to him"


2) I didn't confirm anything until day 7. I'd love for you to point out where I confirmed it. The Germans attacked me night 3, what was I supposed to do? Not mention it? So, I said I was healed. This could't be confirmed in any real capacity, so it's a viable alternative theory. How is that in any way a confirmation?


3) I didn't believe Fyodor. I said he was scum Day 4 while considering he was German, I even mentioned that it was awfully convenient that he was healed when he was attacked while the Germans had a confirmed Medic. I didn't realize he was the General, but how can someone working on their own with not invest abilities discern someones identity to such a degree by day 4? I tried to attack him night 6. I knew he was German Day 6. I presented my theory Night 6, when I attacked him.


Why did I wait until night 6? Because I don't take action unless I'm sure. I was 100% certain that Mihail was German. I wasn't 100% on Fiodor, mainly because THE TOWN WOULDN'T COUNTER CLAIM A FUCKING WORD HE SAID. So why the fuck would I attack someone that might be town, while playing pro town, when I have a confirmed German in my eyes in Mihail?


If you want to criticize, please be my guest, but don't misrepresent the reality of what happened. My game was completely in control until the witch hit me. I prevented my own train lynch on day 4 by, NOT CLAIMING A FUCKING THING, and simply exposing the holes in the 'case' against me.


The only kill that I chose to make that wasn't very specific and right on point was Maksim. He was just a gamble shot for night 1.

I could provide a rebuttal for everything you pointed out but I'm not going to argue with you. I pointed out what I saw as mistakes and what I thought you did well. You can either take that advice constructively and try and improve on it or flame me for my opinions. It seems you are doing the latter.


I really don't know why you are so angry... Did you really want MVP or something?

[Clawtrocity]

MUAHAHAHA I AM THE BEST MAFIA PLAYER EVER!!! I WILL AWARD MYSELF WITH A FANCY NEW SIGNATURE SOON TO RUB IT IN EVERYONE'S FACE, BUT MAINLY DIMWIT AND JACK BECAUSE THEY BOTH SUCKED!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sumikoko]

What is that feeling when you realize in retrospect that the winners had offered you a chance to win with them in the beginning and you outright rejected them to side with your team that was doomed to lose...? Oh yeah... Regret.

[Clawtrocity]

I'll be honest for a second:

Town played bad: I don't personally think they played horribly, but only because towns before them had played so perfectly that it was almost impossible to live up to. Philie said something like each day they'd have to successfully lynch a scum and every other day shoot one at night to even stand a chance. That's bullshit and I hope Yayap's version fixes that. Regardless the first doctor lynch was retarded on so many levels. Viteslav had no choice he had to defend me because of Elixir telling him to. Ilya sort of fell into the same category, but both could have changed their minds I suppose.

Elixir fell for it because he must have thought that I sounded honest, Elixir is one of the first people to join SC2Mafia and we joined together almost so he let that fog his judgement. He's not bad because of it, but he learned from it and he will end up being a lot more cynical in future games because of it. You also have to realize that regardless of what happens during night chat I play during the day as a citizen looking for scum and I found myself thinking "So who can the Germans be?" on countless occasions where I had myself pegged as invest and leo as armorsmith. Not saying that aided me or punished me, but it happened a lot.

Svetlana: I hated the role since I saw it in the role list and was planning on using it as an SK if I got it. I wasn't going to pussy shit around this role that was predetermined to become cult leader almost and on the off chance he didn't he won the game anyway. It was a really fucked up system that I think everyone saw flaws in so I obviously wanted it gone when I found it. I didn't even think of the possibility that the town wouldn't want to kill it because even I would have tried to kill it as a town because a KPN is a KPN and as I've proven you shouldn't ever count on someone doing something. Viteslav voted Peotr because he was sure I would kill the bolsheviks leaving a 2 v 2 tie between them that allowed svetlana to choose the winner. So after all that bullshit we had to deal with trying to find the anarchist we had him available to kill and we didn't kill him. I wanted to, but I didn't communicate it well enough and shit hit the fan a third time. Svetlana was free to do whatever he wanted and that meant he was going to force us to lose even though he had a 100% chance to win either way. Also Dimwit had no idea Mihail was mafia regardless of what he says.

Bolsheviks: They actually played a good game, but I hated letting them win because their team was designed around one person looking and one person recruiting. They circumvented that by sending rep messages to everyone and getting them to claim for them. That involved an annoyingly high accuracy rating(I know the normal cult is worse, but that's why we don't use it because of it's OP-ness it just keeps growing forever and you can't cut the head off because there are 2 heads this time and a 3rd one just waiting to take their spot...) I decided that they should win over town for all the reasons above and because I couldn't kill Svetlana.

The germans actually played pretty horribly. We'd have done a lot better if our actions worked on N2, but sadly they did not. The N2 fiasco worked against us and for us. We wouldn't have had to claim half the things we did if it didn't happen, but after it happened and after we claimed what we did Philie had to say that something was broke for me and that almost clarified my role to the rest of the town. They felt secure because the game master was backing me up. After that everyone else started to say things like Fyodor is clean and it snowballed into me being the best player. I don't feel for a second that I was the best player, but I think under the circumstances I played well. You can all choose to dismiss that for whatever reason, but just be sure to know that I'll be there in the next FM...and the next one...and the one after that...and another one...then I gotta host one, but then I'll be back!! And each time I'm there...I'll be looking and waiting and lurking and talking and hunting and killing every single one of you.

Swaggatrocity out.

[Ash]

[Dimwit]

I'm not angry, I'm aggressive. If I were angry, there would be many more typographical errors. But you're right False, we rebut back and forth and it would get nowhere. So sure, I'll take the criticism, even if I don't agree with it.

There's no hard feelings, at least not here.

I want to debate everything, all the time. It get's me in trouble at work and at home so I get it out of my system here, especially given that the aggression you see here is the same in RL. There hasn't been any FM action for a few days, I had to suffer through conservative talk radio today at work (can't debate it at work), and waiting for the epilogue had me itching. I saw you say I fucked up, so I wanted to challenge it. I did, now I'm over it.

But if you ever want to continue, just let me know.

[Clawtrocity]

YEAH WELL FUCK YOU BUDDY YOU MADE HORRIBLE DECISIONS AND SHOULD FEEL BAD

[Goremancer]

I should get MVP. I was active during the entire game. I also helped to contribute to the town discussion tremendously. If I hadn't been here, town wouldn't have won.

[Kromos]

I would have found Stalin for you if you didn't block me on night 3

[TheWaaagh]

I would have found Stalin for you if you didn't block me on night 3

Apparently I was blocking everyone that night lol.

[Capitalier]

I would have found Stalin for you if you didn't block me on night 3

All I did was check Nadezdha, silly. I didn't kill anyone, and I'd simply claim investigator (do notice that I was one of the first to press a lynch on you after you claimed investigator), and then me and Fyodor would fight it to the death with our fake claims, lol.

It might have been more interesting, because I was considering making up Fyodor coming up as Citizen/Lenin/General, and my role claim would eventually make no sense late game (or I'd be fucking dead from a german night kill, lololol, since the witch would have targetted me instead.)

[FalseTruth]

I'll be honest for a second:

Town played bad: I don't personally think they played horribly, but only because towns before them had played so perfectly that it was almost impossible to live up to. Philie said something like each day they'd have to successfully lynch a scum and every other day shoot one at night to even stand a chance. That's bullshit and I hope Yayap's version fixes that. Regardless the first doctor lynch was retarded on so many levels. Viteslav had no choice he had to defend me because of Elixir telling him to. Ilya sort of fell into the same category, but both could have changed their minds I suppose.

Elixir fell for it because he must have thought that I sounded honest, Elixir is one of the first people to join SC2Mafia and we joined together almost so he let that fog his judgement. He's not bad because of it, but he learned from it and he will end up being a lot more cynical in future games because of it. You also have to realize that regardless of what happens during night chat I play during the day as a citizen looking for scum and I found myself thinking "So who can the Germans be?" on countless occasions where I had myself pegged as invest and leo as armorsmith. Not saying that aided me or punished me, but it happened a lot.

Svetlana: I hated the role since I saw it in the role list and was planning on using it as an SK if I got it. I wasn't going to pussy shit around this role that was predetermined to become cult leader almost and on the off chance he didn't he won the game anyway. It was a really fucked up system that I think everyone saw flaws in so I obviously wanted it gone when I found it. I didn't even think of the possibility that the town wouldn't want to kill it because even I would have tried to kill it as a town because a KPN is a KPN and as I've proven you shouldn't ever count on someone doing something. Viteslav voted Peotr because he was sure I would kill the bolsheviks leaving a 2 v 2 tie between them that allowed svetlana to choose the winner. So after all that bullshit we had to deal with trying to find the anarchist we had him available to kill and we didn't kill him. I wanted to, but I didn't communicate it well enough and shit hit the fan a third time. Svetlana was free to do whatever he wanted and that meant he was going to force us to lose even though he had a 100% chance to win either way. Also Dimwit had no idea Mihail was mafia regardless of what he says.

Bolsheviks: They actually played a good game, but I hated letting them win because their team was designed around one person looking and one person recruiting. They circumvented that by sending rep messages to everyone and getting them to claim for them. That involved an annoyingly high accuracy rating(I know the normal cult is worse, but that's why we don't use it because of it's OP-ness it just keeps growing forever and you can't cut the head off because there are 2 heads this time and a 3rd one just waiting to take their spot...) I decided that they should win over town for all the reasons above and because I couldn't kill Svetlana.

The germans actually played pretty horribly. We'd have done a lot better if our actions worked on N2, but sadly they did not. The N2 fiasco worked against us and for us. We wouldn't have had to claim half the things we did if it didn't happen, but after it happened and after we claimed what we did Philie had to say that something was broke for me and that almost clarified my role to the rest of the town. They felt secure because the game master was backing me up. After that everyone else started to say things like Fyodor is clean and it snowballed into me being the best player. I don't feel for a second that I was the best player, but I think under the circumstances I played well. You can all choose to dismiss that for whatever reason, but just be sure to know that I'll be there in the next FM...and the next one...and the one after that...and another one...then I gotta host one, but then I'll be back!! And each time I'm there...I'll be looking and waiting and lurking and talking and hunting and killing every single one of you.

Swaggatrocity out.

I agree with everything here that was said except I would give you and the rest of a Germans a bit more credit than you gave yourselves. Overall, it was one of the better Mafia teams of Forum Mafia for sure. The problem with MVP this time around was that everyone made mistakes. No one played a flawless game, not even the bolsheviks. So ultimately, the hosts had to pick someone who contributed the most to their team. We have to emphasize the word VALUABLE in the phrase Most Valuable Player. I don't see anything wrong in giving you MVP because you were, without a doubt, extremely valuable to your team.

[FalseTruth]

I'm not angry, I'm aggressive. If I were angry, there would be many more typographical errors. But you're right False, we rebut back and forth and it would get nowhere. So sure, I'll take the criticism, even if I don't agree with it.

There's no hard feelings, at least not here.

I want to debate everything, all the time. It get's me in trouble at work and at home so I get it out of my system here, especially given that the aggression you see here is the same in RL. There hasn't been any FM action for a few days, I had to suffer through conservative talk radio today at work (can't debate it at work), and waiting for the epilogue had me itching. I saw you say I fucked up, so I wanted to challenge it. I did, now I'm over it.

But if you ever want to continue, just let me know.

Thank you for understanding.

[Kromos]

All I did was check Nadezdha, silly. I didn't kill anyone, and I'd simply claim investigator (do notice that I was one of the first to press a lynch on you after you claimed investigator), and then me and Fyodor would fight it to the death with our fake claims, lol.

It might have been more interesting, because I was considering making up Fyodor coming up as Citizen/Lenin/General, and my role claim would eventually make no sense late game (or I'd be fucking dead from a german night kill, lololol, since the witch would have targetted me instead.)

It would have made for much closer game if the Germans had killed you. I wouldn't have believed your investigator claim for the same reason I didn't believe Claw's. You were both way to scummy from your posts and the roles list was so small by then. You would just have made me think you were Stalin instead of a German which I thought you were for most of the game.

[Clawtrocity]

Everything is easier said in hindsight. I don't remember you calling a single person not scummy all game Alexei. You just picked high profile people and said they were scummy. Obviously at the end you could say you knew they were scummy, but you were also wrong quite a few times.

As for the MVP award: I don't know how they judged it, but I've always tried to get it in every single FM I've been in so 10 tries and 1 get isn't amazing. HOWEVER my strategy has always remained the same...Change part of the game without your night action. I look at the FM7? game where I was lookout and see the contrasting difference in gameplay. In the lookout game I was using secret information that only I and another person used to create an indifferent strategy. I then figured out a way to exploit that to stay alive and gain more information. That was using my night ability to gain an advantage. However, in this FM I didn't even have a night action(I controlled 2 kills most of the time and helped out on my team still) and I was able to convince the Jailor I was clean(I feel I got lucky in who the jailor was). That one simple task allowed me access to heals, guns, and votes for us not against us. So I guess this is just sort of a PSA on what you guys should do to have more fun maybe? I suppose if the jailor never jailed me or if our actions were wrong on N2 I wouldn't have made as dramatic a scene as I did, but in the end it was a shit ton of fun and maybe, just maybe if we all played more like that where we gave less fucks about winning and more fucks about having fun and making an awesome adventure then these would be more cool. Otherwise everyone will be too busy trying to win and hiding in the corner making last wills that say "OF COURSE I DIED THIS SUCKS I WAS SO CLOSE".

I'm not gonna tell you guys who I am next mafia, but be on the lookout for the guy who's blowin your mind because that will be me...everytime.

P.S. None of what I said makes any sense and I swear I'm not high I just really like typing random shit in between FM games. I'll go back to working on my video project now =)

[Fragos]

Why did you chose to suicide then? Be a brave man and face the danger head on, Claw. Your team could stay alive on Night 7 instead of suiciding, and mess with people's minds some more (yes, I know i didn't read last day chat, but with 2 members left alive you could still pull out something).

[FalseTruth]

Why did you chose to suicide then? Be a brave man and face the danger head on, Claw. Your team could stay alive on Night 7 instead of suiciding, and mess with people's minds some more (yes, I know i didn't read last day chat, but with 2 members left alive you could still pull out something).

No. Ilya did not heal a German, Fyodor was killed by Bolsheviks and Leonid was killed by Anarchist. They lost even if they didn't suicide.

[CmG]

gee gee was fun! thx for hosting philie and oops. Mistakes happen. Get over it. Too much lurkness though.



I hate text walls

[Guardian]

i played so badly in my first non-town game.

my guess is that i could have effortlessly escaped lynch.
Mistakes i did:
1) should have pushed harder regarding Oleg's lynch(suicidal noob)
2) should have made better LW
3) should have convinced Fyordor(Claw) to convinced Ilya to heal me
4) should have pushed for Jelena's lynch sooooooo hard.
5) should not have lurked day 2 and 3
6)should have played by the plan i gave to my mafia team. UGHHHHHHH

well, i do insult myself all the time.....

Note to GMs: DO NOT EVER EVER mess up anymore night actions.ever.

[TheJackofSpades]

Three things:
1) I am not Matvei; Fuck you Muso

2) Germans played a shit game. Remove Claw from the scenario and you would have all drowned without his guidance. You guys misused or squandered every action you performed, INCLUDING RBing the escort because you didn't even need to claim this game the town was so fucking blind. The Spotter was the most op role in the entire history of FM and you guys got shit from it. Absolutely nothing. Maybe that's due to the fact that every role was already sucking Claw's dick though, who knows. At the very least you could have been using it to predict the Bolshevik kills.

3) This is the only game where I've wished I wasn't town. Just... bad. This is partly due to the existence of a separate faction of recruitment, partly due to the ridiculous inactivity(Hi lookout who didn't take an action past Night 2, don't expect to be playing in any FM with standards), partly due to the fact that the skill curve has been on the decline lately. Shape up or die.

p.s. You'll never see me stylize a list like that again, so fuck you False.

[TheJackofSpades]

i played so badly in my first non-town game.

my guess is that i could have effortlessly escaped lynch.
Mistakes i did:
1) should have pushed harder regarding Oleg's lynch(suicidal noob)
2) should have made better LW
3) should have convinced Fyordor(Claw) to convinced Ilya to heal me
4) should have pushed for Jelena's lynch sooooooo hard.
5) should not have lurked day 2 and 3
6)should have played by the plan i gave to my mafia team. UGHHHHHHH

well, i do insult myself all the time.....

Note to GMs: DO NOT EVER EVER mess up anymore night actions.ever.

Shutup.
1) Igor not Oleg you blind fuck.
2) LW is irrelevant
3) Yes, heal the healer to cancel out the existence of a heal. So that he would be in the same situation. 1 KPN 1 heal. And possibly lose Leonid and then you lose.
4) Yes, push a lynch on a journalist so he can turn around and prove his role with simple roleclaim.
5) You lurked the whole game

So there are the real mistakes you did.

[Zack]

This Bolshevik win is still stained in my eyes, due to the mistake. Its impossible to erase mistakes and thus we will never know what the result would be had that mistake been avoided. This game cannot count because of this, just for the record (similar to how FM6 doesn't count).

It was fun until the GMs mistake made me feel angry, betrayed and screwed over. The point of the game is to have fun, and the GMs ruined that for me. Take that into consideration in next FMs and double-check everything to avoid mistakes.

As Claw said, Dimwit had no idea I was german. He killed me because I was "hiding something" as quoted by his death note. That "hiding something" could have been a town power role laying low as well as being Stalin even, he took a risk by killing me and is claiming after the fact that "he knew I was german". Right.

I nominate Dimwit for the "Biggest Asshole" award for being entirely anti-german even though the possibility of cooperation was there in the form of Nick (Leonid) who tried to appeal to him. He was supposed to be neutral and he clearly sided with the bolsheviks which is no diffrent than the witch deciding to side with the germans, so he also gets the Hypocrite award.

The witch sided with us because she PREVENTED Fyodor from killing Stalin at night. Yes thats right.

The Bolsheviks can consider themselves extremely lucky this game. Not only did the mistake weaken the germans but the witch indirectly helped them plus the anarchist directly helped them. So yeah, a win is a win, congrats?

I say this to knock people off their high horse and make them look at reality. If you had a good win I would congratulate you, this is not the case. Don't think for a second you achieved anything by this "victory", thats all



@Jack: Wrong. Claw took the mantle of leadership, so we agreed to him being the leader. If he wasn't there i'd assume his place, and my decision-making is really not bad. Though you'l never admit it. Notice that I did affect our night actions, for one I stopped a hasty use of the sapper and I should have kept insisting that we don't use him yet - using him on Alexei that night was a mistake.

[Nick]

INCLUDING RBing the escort because you didn't even need to claim this game the town was so fucking blind. The Spotter was the most op role in the entire history of FM and you guys got shit from it. Absolutely nothing.

All thanks to GM.

Apparently GM never bothered reading through our Night2 and Night3 chat.

The Germans should have used Skype.

[TheJackofSpades]

This Bolshevik win is still stained in my eyes, due to the mistake. Its impossible to erase mistakes and thus we will never know what the result would be had that mistake been avoided. This game cannot count because of this, just for the record (similar to how FM6 doesn't count).

It was a mistake.

But it was entirely your fault that it caused you any lasting harm. Trying to lynch the anarchist is fucking retarded, if you were really town.

[Nick]

Yay! Lets hang the dirty laundry out in the open. For those who are too lazy to read the German night chat, I'll summarize why the Germans are so angry.

We were told during Night1 to post our night actions individually or else it will be void.

Our submitted Night2 actions:

Nikifor (Forger) Forge Galina: erase the last will
Arkadi (Detainer) Block Alexei
Mihail (Framer) Frame Alexei as Martyr/Infiltrator/Militia
Yakov (Sapper) Kill Juri (non sapping)
Prokofi (Medic) Heal Yakov
Igor (Soldier) Kill Galina
Leonid (Spotter) Watch Tatyana

became

Nikifor (Forger) Forge Galina: ERASE the last will
Arkadi (Detainer) Block Tatyana
Mihail (Framer) Frame Tatyana as Detainer
Yakov (Sapper) Kill Juri (non sapping)
Prokofi (Medic) Heal Yakov
Igor (Soldier) Kill Galina
Leonid (Spotter) Watch Matvei

I agree that killing Galina was attributed to Fyodor. Blocking a claimed actress is an idiot move if there is a lookout (Arkadi caught by detective Alexei).

Leonid was informed that Svetlana visited the target. Thus, we assumed that Svetlana is the second actress. And thus our Night3 actions:

Fyodor (General) Kill Svetlana
Nikifor (Forger) Forge Svetlana: erase the last will
Arkadi (Detainer)Block Andrei
Mihail (Framer) Frame Yakov as Peasant/Lenin/General
Yakov (Sapper) Kill Dimitri (non sapping)
Prokofi (Medic) Heal Fyodor
Leonid (Spotter) Watch Fyodor

We wasted a kill from false information. And we were not informed by GM who didn't read our night chat and thus didn't know mistakes were made. Nikifor and Prokofi failed to post their night actions because forum was down. Mihail requested that he post their night actions in their stead.

Leonid was informed that nobody visited Fyodor which were later changed to Prokofi visited Fyodor. No harm done.

On Day3 the Germans tried to divert the lynch of Nikifor. Nobody knew that Svetlana was the Anarchist.

[TheJackofSpades]

Or you know, you could have just realized that a mistake had been made because there's no possible way Tatyana isn't escort.

[Nick]

Or you know, you could have just realized that a mistake had been made because there's no possible way Tatyana isn't escort.

I assume you meant Svetlana. I did try asking GM about the teacher and gunsmith thing on Day4. And about bussing. Got no reply...

We only knew something was seriously wrong after we accuse Svetlana and read her reply. Alexei accusing Arkadi of visiting Tatyana also confused us.

I nominate Dimwit for the "Biggest Asshole" award for being entirely anti-german even though the possibility of cooperation was there in the form of Nick (Leonid) who tried to appeal to him. He was supposed to be neutral and he clearly sided with the bolsheviks which is no diffrent than the witch deciding to side with the germans, so he also gets the Hypocrite award.

Oh please. The neutrals should be siding with the faction that can ensure them the highest chance to win. If both factions are equally viable they can follow their feelings. For Anarchist in this case, siding with Bolsheviks IS THE BEST CHOICE. By the way, I was told that the Witch can win posthumously. Why is Peotr not in the winning list?

[philie]

I've apologized enough for that. If anything I neutralized it as well as i could.

Also, killing a scum per day as town isn't impossible, it happened every game before. This game, town could win if they did the right thing or at least remained active. Hell It almost won this

[Zack]

Or you know, you could have just realized that a mistake had been made because there's no possible way Tatyana isn't escort.

Right, because it was completely impossible to have TWO escorts. If you read our night chats the "kill Svetlana" plan was to throw an escort into the graveyard and have Tatyana lynched as a "detainer" when she is infact another escort. Hidden roles, remember? Not like we knew the entire role lineup. Tatyana said she was blocked, Nick saw Svetlana visitng Tatyana and Svetlana was the only visitor. What kind of conclusion would we come up with? Alexei only spoke about following Arkadi to Tatyana on DAY 4!!! So stop trying to make it seem like the mistake wasn't that big, because it really was that big. The germans lost due to GM mistake, accept it and stop throwing trash around. If this kind of mistake had happened to you then you wouldn't shut up about it and you know it.

philie: Thats just it, apology doesn't cut it. You should have taken initiative during the game and tried to rectify your mistake somehow. You didn't. Now the bitterness remains, especially since you actually gave the Bolsheviks their undeserved victory.

The anarchist pretty much won by default at the start of the game, unless the jailor or germans decided to spite him and kill him for the heck of it. How Anarchist SHOULD have been done:

Kill German General WITH ANARCHIST KILL, General dies to anything else = you must kill 3 other germans yourself. Failing that too = kill all remaining germans.
Kill Lenin WITH ANARCHIST KILL, Lenin dies to anything else = you must kill Stalin yourself. Stalin dies to anything else = kill all remaining Bolsheviks.
Kill Jailor WITH ANARCHIST KILL. Also kill Gunsmith, Investigator, Detective and Propagandist = doesn't have to be your kill. Failing Jailor kill = kill ALL town power roles.

Yes this is hard. Yes the neutral killer is alone and should have a hard time and a very small chance of victory, thats how its supposed to be.

[BorkBot]

It wasn't philie who gave them the victory.. it was the fact that the town and the anarchist sided with a lynch that was in their advantage. The game could've gone both ways on that last day.

Trying to rectify a forgotten night action by giving some sort of bonus only leads to even more frustration and confusion among the players. It happened in MFM4... I was on the verge of just suiciding because the doctor got a free heal off while he was roleblocked.

[Zack]

Either way the mistake cannot be erased and the game is stained forever. Conclusion: Don't make game-breaking mistakes.

It goes without saying that GMs need to READ THE MAFIA'S NIGHT CHAT ENTIRELY. How hard is that? Like Nick said maybe we should have gone on skype with the GMs like the Bolsheviks did and spammed lots of useless bullshit instead of just discussing strategy. Its more interesting isn't it? Interesting enough to distract GMs from noticing the german night chat apparently.

[philie]

philie: Thats just it, apology doesn't cut it. You should have taken initiative during the game and tried to rectify your mistake somehow. You didn't. Now the bitterness remains, especially since you actually gave the Bolsheviks their undeserved victory.

Except your suggestion for rectifying the mistake was to make it impossible to lynch the next day.
Damn it Zack, it's not my fault mafia lost and if anything, even Claw thinks a lot of the credit he was given came form me backing him up.
It was pretty even, and the mafia was an okay team, but I can't just make you win to compensate for my mistake.
You could do crazy shit with the roles you were given, and win it hands down, despite the mistake.

Now I think it's rude that you keep telling me it's not good enough, and you're probably the only person of this opinion.
If you wanted to prevent an undeserved cult win, you could attack them at night instead of town. Case closed.

[Deathfire123]

This Bolshevik win is still stained in my eyes, due to the mistake. Its impossible to erase mistakes and thus we will never know what the result would be had that mistake been avoided. This game cannot count because of this, just for the record (similar to how FM6 doesn't count).

This is nowhere near the level of awful FM6 ended up being.

I nominate Dimwit for the "Biggest Asshole" award for being entirely anti-german even though the possibility of cooperation was there in the form of Nick (Leonid) who tried to appeal to him. He was supposed to be neutral and he clearly sided with the bolsheviks which is no diffrent than the witch deciding to side with the germans

Dimwit didn't vote with us on the last day, he voted to get rid of the witch. So we switched. We sided with him

The witch sided with us because she PREVENTED Fyodor from killing Stalin at night. Yes thats right.

Yes, but that wasn't a mistake, and you guys didn't try killing him again.

The Bolsheviks can consider themselves extremely lucky this game. Not only did the mistake weaken the germans but the witch indirectly helped them plus the anarchist directly helped them. So yeah, a win is a win, congrats?

Okay now this is just whining

I say this to knock people off their high horse and make them look at reality. If you had a good win I would congratulate you, this is not the case. Don't think for a second you achieved anything by this "victory", thats all

Here's what is to knock you off your high horse. You should have just accepted that the GMs made a mistake, and moved on. But no, you still whine, and complain, and say we didn't deserve to win, although the fact still stays, 3 of the Germans (Igor, Nikifor, Arkadi) were lynched because they were acting scummy, even Arkadi who put up a good defense, was only lynched because people brought up suspicion on him in the first place, thus he was more likely to slip up.

Ive talked to TheWaaagh about this enough on Skype, if you have anything to say Waaagh, tell me on Skype.

The rest of you died at night, and you had no control over that. So your messed up actions would not prevent 4 night deaths.