S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[Unknown1234]

I don't get why you would feel the need to visit someone. Let alone Ika lord and saviour.

[Fury]

I call bullshit on that cit claim....

[Stealthbomber16]

WELP.

I'm kind of in a corner here.

-vote Alijach

[Stealthbomber16]

Don't want to put ccantman on L-1 yet.

[Alijach]

I don't get why you would feel the need to visit someone. Let alone Ika lord and saviour.

Because I thought the whole point of the game was to have a WIFOM. That's all. Imagine if someone scumreads me (noshit) and I claim pr, (trying to avoid what happened to rachyl in my first game), I can be killed to save one of the PR for the townies, plus, wasting time for the mafia to win, because, until you find the real joker, then mafia can't win.

[Unknown1234]

I'll unvote if u want to vote, Stealth.

-unvote

[Stealthbomber16]

I'll unvote if u want to vote, Stealth.

-unvote

Doesn't really matter at this point. L-2 is fine this late in the game, just don't feel comfy with L-1. We got 15 hours left, thats 15 hours for Rachyl and Ares to acknowledge their existence.

[Alijach]

Doesn't really matter at this point. L-2 is fine this late in the game, just don't feel comfy with L-1. We got 15 hours left, thats 15 hours for Rachyl and Ares to acknowledge their existence.

Then I'll go ahead, and rest my little head in my bed.

I will be in morpheus's arms half of that time

[Stealthbomber16]

So it seems like this is the plan then?

1. Lynch ccantman
2. ccantman shoots alijach
3. Profit

or

2. ccantman shoots someone else
3. make top 10 anime betrayal memes

[Alijach]

any cit who did not self visit deserves to be dead. he was in here ealier and never answered anything

the indicators are about your posting itself and what you are doing. its not about crumbs

i would of claimed it regardless. i had results i was waiting for the 24 hr mark. if you were reading the day phase at all it was clear i had results that incriminated him and was planning on revealing. when im makred for joker i consider myself dead man walking so me not claiming (and you not claiming if your a pr with or without results) is anti-town becasue joker cna just kill you and outright make it that you have nothing to say.

Btw, I was checking this thread a little bit, like 3 post per reccess I had. It's really hard to understand you, specially when you get mad and don't care about your grammar, or not caring about how to write my name right half of the time.

[Alijach]

So it seems like this is the plan then?

1. Lynch ccantman
2. ccantman shoots alijach
3. Profit

or

2. ccantman shoots someone else
3. make top 10 anime betrayal memes

This seems as a really good idea, but just to make it clear, I find it weird that IKA thinks that I'm stupid enough to "TARGET HIM FIRST" if I'm joker, I said it before, targeting a noob first seems like the good idea, specially if they're afk like rachyl and ares. KEK.

[Stealthbomber16]

This seems as a really good idea, but just to make it clear, I find it weird that IKA thinks that I'm stupid enough to "TARGET HIM FIRST" if I'm joker, I said it before, targeting a noob first seems like the good idea, specially if they're afk like rachyl and ares. KEK.

wat

[Alijach]

joker need agents dead. if adjech is joker its moot point becasue jester will kill him or he will be lynched.

joker benifites more by removing both targets instead of jsut leaving them be.

Keep in mind that, the worst case scenario can happen, as I'm not the joker, and there could be, 5? kills tonight?

[Stealthbomber16]

Keep in mind that, the worst case scenario can happen, as I'm not the joker, and there could be, 5? kills tonight?

This is a trashy way of defending yourself.

[Alijach]

wat

I'm surprised at the fact that ika, as an experience player, would think that he's the main priority for a first-bountykill-target by the joker.
I re-read my first post on Joker's attitude, and I think that targeting someone with little experience would be the "must" for the first-bountykill-target.

Get it?

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm surprised at the fact that ika, as an experience player, would think that he's the main priority for a first-bountykill-target by the joker.
I re-read my first post on Joker's attitude, and I think that targeting someone with little experience would be the "must" for the first-bountykill-target.

Get it?

no

[Alijach]

This is a trashy way of defending yourself.

I'm not defending myself, I'm just saying one of the many scenarios that could happen. Ika is too blind trying to get me to find other possible scums

[Alijach]

no

Targeting a good player as the 1st target for joker: Dumb.

[Stealthbomber16]

Targeting a good player as the 1st target for joker: Dumb.

well i mean
you targeted ika
i suppose you'd know

[Mesk514]

To be fair, I think alijach is actually a noob with noob experience at defending themselves and I honestly pick up on that but I can't wrap my head around the fact that he visited ika and ika saw that as a lookout.

I'm still waiting for ika to tell me whether to vote Ali or ccantman

[ika]

To be fair, I think alijach is actually a noob with noob experience at defending themselves and I honestly pick up on that but I can't wrap my head around the fact that he visited ika and ika saw that as a lookout.

I'm still waiting for ika to tell me whether to vote Ali or ccantman

i want to kill alij, we can lynch ccant tommorw so s/he can vist you tongiht and have a party at your house ;P

[ika]

Btw, I was checking this thread a little bit, like 3 post per reccess I had. It's really hard to understand you, specially when you get mad and don't care about your grammar, or not caring about how to write my name right half of the time.

welcome to the internet. if you cant understand a few typos i dont feel sorry for you. i shorten your name as i need to if you have a better abbreviation go ahead and tell me

Keep in mind that, the worst case scenario can happen, as I'm not the joker, and there could be, 5? kills tonight?

ya 5 kills if we lynch jester and joker bombs 4 people. im fine with that outcome too becasue if he hits 4 towns and the jester hits a 5th, i would say that we deserve to lose and jester deserves a solo win. or to quote rlvg:

Indeed, it is my intention of having a "No one wins" scenario.
In a 3 Agents vs Joker, Town has been eliminated in which none of them are able to win and it'll be the sadest game of all time.

For the sake of drama, I'll add the No One Wins condition.
No One Wins : This happens when no one has won the game and a win is no longer possible by anyone.

I'm surprised at the fact that ika, as an experience player, would think that he's the main priority for a first-bountykill-target by the joker.
I re-read my first post on Joker's attitude, and I think that targeting someone with little experience would be the "must" for the first-bountykill-target.

Get it?

well seeing how the OP post has me as bounty target i find this to be bascily invaild. so i dont even get where you are going with this

[Stealthbomber16]

everyone visit mesk tonight lets end this shitfest

-vote ccantman

[Mesk514]

everyone visit mesk tonight lets end this shitfest

-vote ccantman

Don't visit me, you're gonna try and kill me

[Mesk514]

Although I don't mind taking one for the team

[ika]

Don't visit me, you're gonna try and kill me

i kinda want to do that to fuck with rlvg. have all the towns come to your house just to have him go "WTF"

that or see the feedback of 11 or so people visiting you :P

[Mesk514]

alright, im down.... everyone visit me

[TwentyTwo]

everyone visit mesk tonight lets end this shitfest

-vote ccantman

It kind of concerns me that you are voting ccantman knowing that the joker will probably kill you.
This makes me believe one of two things.
1) Ika wasn't the first target of the Joker and your probably the Joker
2) Your probably a cit who no longer wants to play this game
I'm the type of person who enjoys playing the game, If I can extend that enjoyment a little longer I will do so. This means if I do something that might hurt town insignificantly, then I will do it to extend my joy.
You might call this scummy and non-pro town , but It's the honest truth the people will do out of selfish reasons. We all want to live longer, unless your mafia and it's strategy.

So why do you not want to live?

[ccantman]

It kind of concerns me that you are voting ccantman knowing that the joker will probably kill you.
This makes me believe one of two things.
1) Ika wasn't the first target of the Joker and your probably the Joker
2) Your probably a cit who no longer wants to play this game
I'm the type of person who enjoys playing the game, If I can extend that enjoyment a little longer I will do so. This means if I do something that might hurt town insignificantly, then I will do it to extend my joy.
You might call this scummy and non-pro town , but It's the honest truth the people will do out of selfish reasons. We all want to live longer, unless your mafia and it's strategy.

So why do you not want to live?

You could make the same argument on why Allijach is voting me with the understanding he is going to die if I am lynched

[TwentyTwo]

I encourage the people of town to switch their vote to Alijach now.
Follow the Train that Ika is driving, hopefully this train does not lead to a derailing which destroys town.
If Ika is wrong, then this game isn't going to be fun. If Ika is right and Alijach is Joker, we should lynch him. It will create the maximum amount of fun.

[TwentyTwo]

You could make the same argument on why Allijach is voting me with the understanding he is going to die if I am lynched

I think he just wants to kill at least two people tonight before his fun ends.

[TwentyTwo]

I think he just wants to kill at least two people tonight before his fun ends.

Now that I think about it. If this is true, then It makes me heavily believe that Ika is in fact right, and he did find Joker.
I also read Ika as extremely pro town now. If Ika were mafia, then there would be a lot more votes on Allijach. This is not the case, so Ika is for sure town.
We need to change the vote to Allijach. CCantman you will have my vote tomorrow, so if your pro-town please vote Allijach. This also gives you another day to troll as you wish.

[ccantman]

I encourage the people of town to switch their vote to Alijach now.
Follow the Train that Ika is driving, hopefully this train does not lead to a derailing which destroys town.
If Ika is wrong, then this game isn't going to be fun. If Ika is right and Alijach is Joker, we should lynch him. It will create the maximum amount of fun.

If Ika is wrong and you lynch Allijach, you lose 3 town and it becomes
5v3v1v1
If Ika is wrong and you lynch me it becomes 5v3v1

VS

IF Ika is right and you lynch Allijach it becomes 6v3v1
If Ika is right and you lynch me it becomes 6v3

This is under the assumption that the worse case is both SB and Ika are both town.
But if one of them is mafia, which is what we assumed from the begining. as far as town goes losing 1 town to get the joker and jester and 1 mafia is worth in the case Ika is right.
and if Ika is wrong, its still a 2 for 2 trade, 1 jester and a mafia for 2 town (and if Allijach "claim" is correct, its only a cit not a power role)

On that note by killing the joker, you are giving the mafia a kill and saving mafia buddy on the pedastol.

If you actually think Ika is wrong, switching off me to switch to Allijach does nothing to change the fact Ika is wrong.
Switching to allijach is only viable if you think he is right, in which case at worse its a 2 for 2 trade (joker and jester) but you don't give mafia a night kill,

This suggestion only makes it that you think Ika is right, and want to get the joker to save your mafia buddy. In which case for town, it is better to lynch me, let me kill the joker, and let the joker kill the lookout and 1 agent.

[TwentyTwo]

If Ika is wrong and you lynch Allijach, you lose 3 town and it becomes
5v3v1v1
If Ika is wrong and you lynch me it becomes 5v3v1

VS

IF Ika is right and you lynch Allijach it becomes 6v3v1
If Ika is right and you lynch me it becomes 6v3

This is under the assumption that the worse case is both SB and Ika are both town.
But if one of them is mafia, which is what we assumed from the begining. as far as town goes losing 1 town to get the joker and jester and 1 mafia is worth in the case Ika is right.
and if Ika is wrong, its still a 2 for 2 trade, 1 jester and a mafia for 2 town (and if Allijach "claim" is correct, its only a cit not a power role)

On that note by killing the joker, you are giving the mafia a kill and saving mafia buddy on the pedastol.

If you actually think Ika is wrong, switching off me to switch to Allijach does nothing to change the fact Ika is wrong.
Switching to allijach is only viable if you think he is right, in which case at worse its a 2 for 2 trade (joker and jester) but you don't give mafia a night kill,

This suggestion only makes it that you think Ika is right, and want to get the joker to save your mafia buddy. In which case for town, it is better to lynch me, let me kill the joker, and let the joker kill the lookout and 1 agent.

Sometimes you have to take a risk. I think its pretty much in the bag at this point. If it is the worse case for town, then I will vote you up and I want you to kill me. Take a chance of Roulette in this game, whats fun without risk? It is a (1/12 camber for you), you only have to take 1 shot.

[The Burning Phoenix]

Sometimes you have to take a risk. I think its pretty much in the bag at this point. If it is the worse case for town, then I will vote you up and I want you to kill me. Take a chance of Roulette in this game, whats fun without risk? It is a (1/12 camber for you), you only have to take 1 shot.

We can tell the jester who to kill, This is a unnecessary risk

[Alijach]

You could make the same argument on why Allijach is voting me with the understanding he is going to die if I am lynched

22 made a valid point, with people tunneling me day 1, without knowing how to valid defend myself, and dying as a reg townie isn't fun I guess. I'm already claiming it, I'm not joker for the reasons that I stated before, and if I made a mistake for trying to make my game more fun, then I deserve to die, plus, watching the other roles such as joker and mafia play might be fun and I can learn different attitudes and how to make a solid defense. My death won't make a difference and will add a lot of fun to the game, allowing the real joker to get maybe 3 guys, and town looking for him and all those things. Go ahead, if you lynch me, you will add more fun as ika is wrong about my role. I'm voting for my death to add fun to the game, tunneling and blocking are 2 things that make the game less fun. I'm here to save you all

[Unknown1234]

I still think we give ccantman the win, but we are always able to get someone else shot. Like Gyrlander.

[Unknown1234]

@ika how confident are you in Alijach being joker?

[Alijach]

@ika how confident are you in Alijach being joker?

It doesn't matter, I'm not the joker, lol

[ccantman]

I still think we give ccantman the win, but we are always able to get someone else shot. Like Gyrlander.

The shot is still going at Allijach but if everyone wants me to switch, I'll switch

[ika]

@ika how confident are you in Alijach being joker?

confident enought that we can always lynch gry tommorwo and we have 2 detective who can follow him?

if the game was gonna be more "fun" rlvg would make all citizen compulsivly visit someone. while i understand the ideal behind it, a town player should know the basics of what is good for town and whats not.

making a game of "lets make town roles that have anti-town actions that are optinal" it should be self told every single game that any and all roles that are optinaly anti-town should either:
claim
do the least anti town action possible

[ika]

ill be gone at eod so as promiosed i will move my vote before i leave.

i want someone to also look into 22 as well, while he tried to soft det, i want him held accoutnable for his votes as well becasue he seems to be blindingly sheeping me and using flawed logic

[ika]

also double check on sj, hes been around the site but not here and has not used any time of anything to do scum hunting when thats what he wanted

[ika]

in short, bascily tread day 2 as the new day 1 becasue it beasicly tunred into this "what to do with jester/potential joker" fight and i feel like nothing truly gotten done overall.

[ika]

and we also had 2-3 inactives in this game....

[Gyrlander]

ika, are you Lookout or Detective?

[Unknown1234]

Read the game, Gyrlander.

[ika]

Read the game, Gyrlander.

It's clear he's scum so answering him is irrelevant. After joker is dead just lynch him

[Unknown1234]

It's clear he's scum so answering him is irrelevant. After joker is dead just lynch him

As it would seem. We have 57 minutes left in day so I'll vote when you're ready.

[Unknown1234]

Actually, I'll be around so I can wait if anyone wants to say stuff before time is up.