Originally Posted by
PowersThatBe
Do you mean because there are 2 scum and Unknown is actually Alpha wolf pretending to be sheriff? Instead of the consig? If not, you made a claim earlier that Unknown was consig and is framing you b/c he found you're sheriff...so do you think he's Alpha Wolf or Consig?Do you have any guesses as to who his mate might be?
I didn't claim he was consig earlier. I said I "reckon" consig checked me n1, and found out I was sheriff for d2.
Very towny thing to say...top portion is all logic. Bottom portion shows unknown is willing to fall on the sword for the town. I don't think a scum would do that, or maybe unknown is reverse psychologizing me...but I doubt it.
Winning arguments doesn't make you scum, nor does aptitude with rhetoric.
1. it's DW not POD. 2. Why would you make a claim that you might have been healed, to defend against a 1v1 claim when you know 100% that Unknown is scum if you are Town. 3. The whole making it look more natural thing just lost me, you're saying he's bread crumbing sheriff so that it would bait the real sheriff into claiming? So you took the bait and now he's using it against you? 4. "I reckon your consig checked me n1, and then when you found out I was sheriff you put this little scheme together heh" So they found out you were sheriff, and they DIDN'T kill you at night? They just assumed (by your enormous contributions LOL) that you were possibly healed by DW...and thus you were not a good kill? So instead of not claiming, and playing it safe, and going to kill you tonight...you think they are framing you, which would make them auto lose someone and put them in a terrible position...why not just stay quiet and see if you claim? There's a leap here in logic.
1 and 2. You've misunderstood. Unknown affirmed he was "certain" I wasn't healed by the shaman, and I was saying it was plausible.
3. You have an "idealized image" in your mind of what a town does. Unknown deceives you by exploiting this "idealized image". This is an example of Unknown appealing to that "idealized image" when he crumbs sheriff at the start - as has been pointed out, if he were sheriff this would be a misplay, but it looks sheriff-y because, after all, what do sheriffs do? Stereotypically, they mysteriously crumb having an important announcement to make, at the start of the day. You probably see this as bullshit, but this is how players like Unknown consistenly fool you. I wrote about this earlier - it was the main reason I scumread him d1.
4. I think it's pretty obvious they were trying to hit the vigi last night. Besides, why bother killing me when you can just initiate a CC war and likely win, because people will probably believe you, because scums are so unlikely to start CC wars... lol
They are not in a terrible situation. After you spend another lynch on Unknown (you have to he's Alpha), you'll be in a 2v1 if vigi shoots and misses. Clearly Unknown has faith his last scummate can win at LYLO.
Logical. Makes sense. Towny.
No it doesn't. I asked why, if he has me as a scumcheck, he didn't pressure me and try to draw out the other scum, because it's a 72h day and he had the time to do so. He responded by literally saying "I don't feel the need to hold this information from the town". That's pure rhetoric.
The pink portion of this made me think the validity of it is questionable at best. I just don't understand the logic of soft claiming sheriff when you had a red check on him, I get seeing if he was spirit, but like idk...at this point, it would have been better to just outwardly claim say your information. I feel like the way you went about claiming could really just lead this 50/50 to go either way. I felt like banana put solid reasons forth on why the sheriff should have just claimed, and then you could have pressured yzb into CCing or claiming citizen/tribesman and then giving him the benefit of the doubt or asking vigi to shoot him and scum hunt somewhere else. I get you admit it was a mistake, just makes me feel a little uneasy the way you went about it is all.
Oh, I also didn't like that yzb claimed to check mesk first and then you just so happen checked her as well. Just feels all too convenient for me. You have mirror claims.
Well, I guess I agree with this. But you shouldn't scumread it because it's a misplay if he's sheriff. You should scumread it because it's a misplay if he's sheriff, but there's a plausible explanation for why it isn't a misplay as scum - the "idealized image" thing.
Yeah, this only lends to your theory that unknown was alpha, but if you're consig of course they'd both come up green..
Yes, if I'm consig, and scum, obviously I'm not actually capable of sheriffing people lol.
I do like that you claimed to check mesk first, which gives a little more credence to your story since unknown apparently also checked her but a different night. Just seems oddly parallel. Just weird you'd throw shade on someone who came up green...
We both gave credible explanations for why we visited Mesk, tbh. It's weird that Unknown supposedly misread Mesk's 0 fucks given attitude on d1 in the first place, because of how well they know eachother, but that doesn't in and of itself mean much.
I lean this a town statement, because it seems you checked him...but why would he cc you. Your explanation makes sense, but the series of events is just a little off to me. You lead us to a cc, just so happens the person you red checked is the same person who cc'd you. I don't know, it just seems, too convenient once again.
I'm not sure I understand what you meant. The people saying I'm scum are arguing I preempted Unknown would attack me, thus I decided to CC him. That's convenient for some reasons, but I don't think my reasons are the same as yours.
Just makes it seem like you knew he was going to claim b/c you caught his bread trail and you're trying to flip the claim on him.
Yeah, I figured he was going to claim sheriff, and I felt badass as fuck for doing it before him hahah.
I really don't like this, I feel like you created a situation in which you would be cc'd and it almost feels like this was very dumb to state things like this. Like, why would a town member be this vague. Why wouldn't you just observe him more given we got a 72 hour day?
Yeah, that's the point I was making above lol.
The examples of "tutoring" seemed weak and forced in my opinion. Yzb is a know it all, and he takes the time to lecture people all of the time. It could be subtle hints, but I doubt it. If yzb put himself in a dumb ass 1v1 cc like this as scum, he would not be smart enough to drop arrow little hints.
I dedicated a 6/7 line post to my approach to Arrow. I'm surprised noone is referring to it. If SJ finishes his fucking ISO his read on me will probably go more green >.>
Yzb couldn't be bothered all game to scum hunt. His largest contribution was painting stereo as an absolute scum. Which, tbh, Banana claimed scum was trying to do. I feel like that large post was really a nail in the coffin for Yzb because he subtly laid the groundwork for a vigi misshot with that scathing ISO. So, tbh, it looks like Yzb probably had a lot to gain from that.