KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

Or, alternatively, if their roles were somehow worse

or some combination of factors

I'd also argue its very likely the wolves are not uniform in their behavior. Their teamsize is at least 10 so I'd imagine some disagreement on them, maybe even some who though RC should have not claimed 3p. Who knows.

It's possible.

I don't think that would be what happens, but it's possible.

[FM-Chibi Minnie]

tier 1 shots: zomg, monet, parei

tier 2 shots: player 2, the hat, choo choo

if you want to try to be hero shoot here i guess, but many enough people disagree with these shots: joycat, catnip
(actually with catnip its just me who disagrees lol but whatever)

chroma/platypus removed because of the recent discussion


this is what i have rn, if ppl have different opinions just say it tbh

Cool

I wanted to sheep Hippo but they no reply in neighbourhood sob

So I will sheep this like a good girl

Totally not posting rn so ppl arent in 18 misn like 'wow Minnie came out of nowhere she's a wolf!' When true I've been lurking and techs I'd come out of nowhere but now it's not FULLY out of nowhere!

[FM-The Hat]

probably good look for zomg then

... actually didnt red cross claim during the itas? maybe they just didn't want to get shot and werent really thinking more about what that means for the final wagons?

red cross DID claim during ITAs

[FM-Breakup]

i want in my head to wolfread breakup because she gave me a decent amount of pings early on but her consistent activity + killing decepticon is enough that i dont have her in my immediate sights right now

just wolfread me if youre gonna shade me bestie idfc

[FM-Four Past Seven]

I want P2 on the tier 1 section.

I also will be shooting them.

Assuming the tiers are same after this suggestion, Thinking I shoot

parei -> zomg -> player 2 -> monet -> hat -> choo

might switch positioning of one or two of them if I don't like the person shooting at the targets I was going to shoot

[FM-Catnip]

i would prefer you guys not shoot me because im null. i am fine being shot because people think i am wolfy (that means you, dredge <3). but there has been an entire game in which to read, and i think weve cleared out most of the easy lhf wolves. get a worldview. start trying to sort the higher posters.

and if you still think im wolf in that world then you can clear out me, i know i need to be cleared eventually, im not very good at being town in mashes, but please dont do it out of lack of a read

[FM-The Great Flood]

Cool

I wanted to sheep Hippo but they no reply in neighbourhood sob

So I will sheep this like a good girl

Totally not posting rn so ppl arent in 18 misn like 'wow Minnie came out of nowhere she's a wolf!' When true I've been lurking and techs I'd come out of nowhere but now it's not FULLY out of nowhere!

'wow Minnie came out of nowhere 18 mins before itas she's a wolf!'

[FM-The Hat]

It's possible.

I don't think that would be what happens, but it's possible.

To correlate this I've held the belief since D2 that the wolves aren't being coached due to the overall performance of the wolves we flipped, outside of maybe disco dancer

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

probably good look for zomg then

... actually didnt red cross claim during the itas? maybe they just didn't want to get shot and werent really thinking more about what that means for the final wagons?

You are actually right.

Hm.

[FM-Ringmaster]

I’m going to be honest I think ZOMB and the 3p claim have less connection than ice cream costs after a full moon

[FM-Catnip]

just wolfread me if youre gonna shade me bestie idfc

i would do that but unfortnuately i dont wolfread you

[FM-Breakup]

then dont shade me

[FM-Choo-Choo]

not shooting in ita1 and setting an alarm was a mistake

[FM-Chibi Minnie]

'wow Minnie came out of nowhere 18 mins before itas she's a wolf!'

Nooooo

[FM-Four Past Seven]

@FM-Autumn

The vengeful claim was in thread when RC claimed 3p yes.

I had no idea there was a vengeful claim made in this game.

Okay I sorta buy the point then about zomg.

[FM-Chromatography]

I’m going to be honest I think ZOMB and the 3p claim have less connection than ice cream costs after a full moon

I agree but still think they're POE.

[FM-Breakup]

i have two itas btw and im sending at least one at ZOMG

[FM-Catnip]

then dont shade me

im not shading you. im saying you pinged me early on but youre in my town pile for shooting decepticon. i dont understand whats difficult to understand about this

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

I’m going to be honest I think ZOMB and the 3p claim have less connection than ice cream costs after a full moon

With the refresh of the context that it was actually during ITAs, I actually agree.

I had the 3p claim separated from the ITAs in my head.

[FM-Goldfish Bowl]

not shooting in ita1 and setting an alarm was a mistake

I think shooting in ITA 1 woulda been a bigger mistake with the amount of lunacy going on

[FM-Catnip]

i promise i mean all my posts very literally. if i say youre town to me im saying youre town. i bring up the fact that i used to wolfread you for full context but i do not actually wolfread you. i dont understand why youre trying to construe this as shade

[FM-Autumn]

Catnip- Dont mind, Ive had no thoughts on this slot
Monet- I dont think scum just does what they do, feels very noob town to me
Joycat- Probably a no shot, Conditional town Claims On droopy/match, and match flipped town, and ignoring my paranoia, droopy is towny from actions in neighborhood.
ZOMG- I have no Strong Feelings for this slot. I remembered that some of their posts seemed towny but Im not too sure how much I weigh those posts. Don't mind
Hat- I think their frustration is genuine and would not come from scum theater.
Pare- From what I remember they are just kinda here. I don't remember much of note from them. Don't mind
Player 2- As much as I would want to see this slot killed for snuggles shot, I think he is so heavily defendant of his kill Im hesitatent to shoot here
Choo Choo- Townread this slot, I don't agree with this kill.
Plat- Claimed poison on me , He can live honestly. I dont think scum Poisoner claims here.
Chroma- no Thoughts, and I still don't like they liked my take about Hon when it was generic and wrong. A bit hesitant to be here as their content overall has been good from what I remember.

Catnip
ZOMG
Pare
Chroma for me if I was to shoot out of this list

Probably
Pare>Cat>ZOMG> Chroma

i actually thought monet had some a bit towny posts, thanks for reminding me of those :P
(https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1009295 it's this i think)

i don't really care that much about joycat's claims tbh, i don't like their target choices (though they are saying they cannot choose the target by themselves?). idk it's kinda just a slot where i think we cannot let them live for that long if they just dont do anything except claim conditional greenchecks on already obvtown players

player 2 - hard to say anything about that because i literally wasnt here for the last ita and idk context or anything about that shot tbh

don't remember anything about hat's frustration

i scumread choo choo and i don't want to kill them. and i'm aware i'm probably being stupid about both parts of that read but lmfao

[FM-Breakup]

im not shading you. im saying you pinged me early on but youre in my town pile for shooting decepticon. i dont understand whats difficult to understand about this

thats not what the original post said. you said you wanted to wolfread me which heavily implies you wolfread me and think my slot is scummy but don't want to prusue that read or push it right now (an example of shading). if thats what you meant then sure but you couldve also ust been clearer at the start

[FM-The Hat]

For the record let me say i'm not positive how I ended up being on the shotslist after being TR by consensus and flipped town Oink and Naptime, I know scarf is so hard tunneled on me that they decided that shooting me is somehow the best move, as for the others that I've seen, they don't like my vibe or something? Like, do these slots really believe that I have a wolf agenda, that I've been anti-town, that I've been partnered or have TMI? You know, actual indicators of scum behavior?

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

i scumread choo choo and i don't want to kill them. and i'm aware i'm probably being stupid about both parts of that read but lmfao

What?

[FM-Dredge]

i actually thought monet had some a bit towny posts, thanks for reminding me of those :P
(https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1009295 it's this i think)

i don't really care that much about joycat's claims tbh, i don't like their target choices (though they are saying they cannot choose the target by themselves?). idk it's kinda just a slot where i think we cannot let them live for that long if they just dont do anything except claim conditional greenchecks on already obvtown players

player 2 - hard to say anything about that because i literally wasnt here for the last ita and idk context or anything about that shot tbh

don't remember anything about hat's frustration

i scumread choo choo and i don't want to kill them. and i'm aware i'm probably being stupid about both parts of that read but lmfao

yeah but joycat was shot at by a wolf if my notes are correct.

that's something

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

thats not what the original post said. you said you wanted to wolfread me which heavily implies you wolfread me and think my slot is scummy but don't want to prusue that read or push it right now (an example of shading). if thats what you meant then sure but you couldve also ust been clearer at the start

I still think your interactions with a flipped wolf were bad, even if others disagreed with me.

[FM-Autumn]

What?

"i'm being stupid"

[FM-Choo-Choo]

i have two itas btw and im sending at least one at ZOMG

iirc I wanted to land one there so let me pls <3

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

yeah but joycat was shot at by a wolf if my notes are correct.

that's something

Lost wolf.

Why is that relevant.

(I agree Joycat shouldn't be on shot list.)

[FM-Four Past Seven]

I think shooting in ITA 1 woulda been a bigger mistake with the amount of lunacy going on

this is a great unintentional pun given the moon powers affecting ITA's iirc

[FM-Autumn]

yeah but joycat was shot at by a wolf if my notes are correct.

that's something

i thought they were shot at by the lost wolf, which i think means less tbh

[FM-Catnip]

now see i want to note mild wolf pings on breakup for this, and also note i just realise that if, as she claims, she has a slank dayvig, it wasnt really possible to do a much wolf-agendaier shot than decepticon, meaning that i think a wolf would in fact take the towncred for shooting somebody with under 30 posts over getting to agenda kill... somebody else with under 30 posts, so my read is actually bad, however im going to be yelled at for shading again. very sad. guess i wont note that. this post is significantly more shade-throwing than what ive been posting before this is real shade

[FM-Breakup]

I still think your interactions with a flipped wolf were bad, even if others disagreed with me.

feel free to think that i aint gonna stop you
i just think catnips post on em didn't help and shaded my slot whcih is something scum do so I called it out

[FM-Dredge]

Lost wolf.

Why is that relevant.

(I agree Joycat shouldn't be on shot list.)

oh true.

[FM-Chromatography]

"i'm being stupid"

I realize now I misread that and thought it said "don't want to be killed."

Could you elaborate why killing a scumread would be bad?

[FM-Choo-Choo]

I think shooting in ITA 1 woulda been a bigger mistake with the amount of lunacy going on

maybe. but then I wouldn’t have to wake up at such an ungodly hour y’know

trade offs

[FM-Dredge]

Last call for third party claims.

[FM-Catnip]

thats not what the original post said. you said you wanted to wolfread me which heavily implies you wolfread me and think my slot is scummy but don't want to prusue that read or push it right now (an example of shading). if thats what you meant then sure but you couldve also ust been clearer at the start

ok i didnt really wolfread you before but i thought about it and i wolfread you now is that clear :thumbsu:

[FM-Peekaboo]

Choo-Choo
Chroma
Catnip
Peekaboo

^ These four are the ones I want to consider for tomorrow.

I have a fifth but I don't want to influence how the night progresses around them, so I'll talk about this once day start comes.

@FM-Goblin and Worg did you ever follow up on this? I noticed you had doubts on Catnip in your iso and seem to still want Choo-Choo and Chroma dead, and are fine with me, but who is the fifth person?

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

For the record let me say i'm not positive how I ended up being on the shotslist after being TR by consensus and flipped town Oink and Naptime, I know scarf is so hard tunneled on me that they decided that shooting me is somehow the best move, as for the others that I've seen, they don't like my vibe or something? Like, do these slots really believe that I have a wolf agenda, that I've been anti-town, that I've been partnered or have TMI? You know, actual indicators of scum behavior?

I have honestly flipped on you several times.

Your red cross interactions are interesting and inconclusive. Your treatment of Legs on D1 was, and still is, something I scum read.

But I would be lying if I said that you have done nothing I townread. This is part of why I am generally okay with you being on shot lists, even if you're not a priority slot for me. I do think we will have to flip you before End of Game no matter your alignment. And I know that sounds callous, but you're too much of a contention slot that without some kind of mech that is overwhelmingly in your favour, the only way I'd let you reach endgame is if we just kill all the wolves too quickly to get to that point.

[FM-Breakup]

now see i want to note mild wolf pings on breakup for this, and also note i just realise that if, as she claims, she has a slank dayvig, it wasnt really possible to do a much wolf-agendaier shot than decepticon, meaning that i think a wolf would in fact take the towncred for shooting somebody with under 30 posts over getting to agenda kill... somebody else with under 30 posts, so my read is actually bad, however im going to be yelled at for shading again. very sad. guess i wont note that. this post is significantly more shade-throwing than what ive been posting before this is real shade

i was given three options, pyramid decepticon and wakka
people shielded pyramid
wakka had already been wounded from ITAs
so I shot decepticon
and ftr the slank dayvig was a onetime use so I don't have it anymore

[FM-Choo-Choo]

i actually thought monet had some a bit towny posts, thanks for reminding me of those :P
(https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1009295 it's this i think)

i don't really care that much about joycat's claims tbh, i don't like their target choices (though they are saying they cannot choose the target by themselves?). idk it's kinda just a slot where i think we cannot let them live for that long if they just dont do anything except claim conditional greenchecks on already obvtown players

player 2 - hard to say anything about that because i literally wasnt here for the last ita and idk context or anything about that shot tbh

don't remember anything about hat's frustration

i scumread choo choo and i don't want to kill them. and i'm aware i'm probably being stupid about both parts of that read but lmfao

wait what

[FM-Catnip]

has lassie been posting a lot? how active would you all say lassie was in the pages i missed. would you say they were a major player

[FM-Breakup]

ok i didnt really wolfread you before but i thought about it and i wolfread you now is that clear :thumbsu:

thank you for actually committing to a read

[FM-Autumn]

tier 1 shots: zomg, monet, parei

tier 2 shots: player 2, the hat, choo choo

if you want to try to be hero shoot here i guess, but many enough people disagree with these shots: joycat, catnip
(actually with catnip its just me who disagrees lol but whatever)


if people don't have other shotlists, i'm gonna say we go with this

(i'm also gonna disappear to sleep pretty early during these itas btw so someone else can try to make sure people don't hero shoot too much)

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

@FM-Goblin and Worg did you ever follow up on this? I noticed you had doubts on Catnip in your iso and seem to still want Choo-Choo and Chroma dead, and are fine with me, but who is the fifth person?

Fifth person was Dredge. I wanted to see if he'd be anti-claimed.

I did follow up which is why you didn't appear in my daystart lists, compared to the others I felt your ISO was better.

I didn't post that because I find posting ISOs performative unless I'm trying to convince someone else of my read.

[FM-Ringmaster]

my phone is on 3 give me five minutes to find my charger

[FM-Dredge]

has lassie been posting a lot? how active would you all say lassie was in the pages i missed. would you say they were a major player

yes they are solvey and make good points and shot a wolf

[FM-Catnip]

thank you for actually committing to a read

im not a very committal person. i feel obligated generally to bring up all possible objections to an argument as i make it. so just take all the reads in my iso and pretend theyre 10x more confident and you should have a pretty good idea of whats actually going on in my head