I don't know what the fuck happened on this site while I was gone, but holy shit.
ika and SW are playing decently and not being shitters like they used to be.
The regulars are playing like crap (ahem, MZ, RLVG)
Not even insulting anyone. I find it hilarious how the tables have turned.
I think the only other thing I want to make a comment on today, unless someone has a question is yzb's reads list. He has only one scumread-the popular choice and he backs down on his scumread on me pretty quickly. He does give off pretty good reasoning on deathworlds but otherwise it's not that impressive. OTOH-having a lot of townreads gives you very little wiggle room. If he would of had a lot of nulls it would of been worse. I'm still null-scum reading him at this point. I'd like to see SuperJack give input before EoD. That's about it. Hopefully Sino picks a good jail target.
we keep trying to fix it but after your leave the place kinda shut down cus you actualy yelled at peopel to do shit
silverwolf keeps me in line when we ***** so you can thank her for that. it still feels weird not being in ***** with her but most of everything i have leanred comes form her
So what exactly is giving you that townread on Mesk over a null read?
You're thinking from the perspective that I'm scum, then trying to figure out why scumZed would think that. Sure, scum can use a town being anti-town as an excuse for getting rid of them, but you're not considering my actual perspective. I'm trying to win this game, for town, and considering how likely any move is to help that. We clearly disagree on how to read Mesk, (which, again, I want to see you explain) but I see Mesk as having a very real possibility of scum, especially if she trolls to a confirmed town. I'm hedging my bets by letting my worst-case be the elimination of an anti-town town. You never know for sure what someone is going to flip, (except for rare mechanically confirmed town) so you want to maximize your best-case scenario and minimize your worst-case scenario. Executing a troll Mesk does both.
your removing a town player so theres yoru scum motivation right there. if your town you should be trying to get her to do stuff or understand why she maybe doesnt care or something of the sort. mesk is one of those players that litarly does not give a shit so you have to understand why they dont and figure out what you cna do to motivate them to give one.
if anything the "i dont give a shit" is prob best town play becasue town legitmently should not care as long as they give out threir reads nad info and everything else
i already explaine dwhy i town read her for the claim and asked for counter points in one the very posts i repsoonded to you IIRC
I will say this one more time:
1. If she's scum, bam, instant game furthering because we're one scum closer to victory and have a flip to analyze for associations.
2. If she's town, (and was trolling, like I said) then we've removed her ability to troll from the game and left the remaining town core stronger. I'm not arguing lynching a town is a good thing, but of all town to die, Mesk as town is probably the best one.
Meanwhile Mafia #2 @secondpassing lurks away the pressure. Reminds me of a certain Fringe player. Had an anime avatar. I wonder who that was!
Please try to see other people's perspectives before dismissing them. You don't need to be RLVG to know exactly how he'd respond to this. For 1, he's not saying an execution is necessary. For 2, he's not advocating a blind exeuction, and Mesk would have no reason to not claim TPR in jail if she is. For 3, he's not arguing he has to be scumreading Mesk, but making the point that her execution has benefits.
I'm playing a game and distracted from reading.
I can change back into that avatar if you want!
I have clearly stated that I town-read her on multiple occasions.
You literally have DW scumming it up, yet people are trying to get Sino to policy-kill someone completely different who he is biased towards.
Hell no am I agreeing with this.
Kill scum, not people you don't like.
Hmm, by the looks of it...
Lol.
Inb4 I get jailed, because the jailor isn't around.
To be fair, I think Sino is town because everyone is taking his claim super-seriously. If he was scum bullshitting, that wouldn't be the case because the scummers know that he can't actually execute and would have a harder time faking that level of investment in influencing who Sino jails.
Jailing and executing Mesk just sounds like you want to do something similar to a policy lynch. I don't think it's all that likely to hit scum and it gives us no info. because she doesn't get along with Sino and will probably tell him to fuck off or something similar.
Again, she's not confirmed town. The fact that you can see a possible scum motivation does not mean that has to be my motivation, and I'm inviting you to see things from my angle. I'm not proposing we murder Mesk. I repeatedly said, conditioning on her being jailed and not being productive in jail, she makes an excellent execution choice. I would like to think that if she's jailed by a confirmed town she's going to be doing everything she can to work with her jailer, thus making the point about executing troll Mesk entirely moot.
I very strongly disagree that idgaf is the best attitude for town because good town play involves not getting mislynched and convincing your fellow towns to lynch your scumreads. Both of these things don't fit into a player who doesn't give a shit, although this is perhaps a meta discussion for another time.
I may have missed your post. Can you quote it or restate briefly why you townread her?
We have one hour away to hope for the jailor to pick a different jail target, because by the looks of it, they're afk and might have me as a target.