Just read through. Let me throw out some reactionary posts and follow up with a reads list. We still have a lot of time on the day so stay mindful of your votes.
Firebringer is currently at L1
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
There interactions rub me wrong, I feel like they are two mafia who have found each other, it is just something to keep noted because if I die there is a reason and it is not because I have been playing well. If I die its probably because I notice a possible association between certain players. Fire started mafia reading me when I had both him and mattzed in the lynch order, and the only difference in our lists was he had mattzed in his town circle.
Not too strong, but just note the world.
Just because you are in the hot seat I will throw this out before reads and such..
Can you point to any instance in the thread that indicates this? I want to see how you came to the conclusion that as scum I would scum read MZ. The bit about coaching also makes me curious.
I really want to try to understand your reasoning here^^
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Twice now unknown has failed to hammer, as much as I have scum read him this game I will be refusing to vote him at this point. I will only be voting on firebringer or a really really really convincing case against helz, but even then probably only fire.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
I'm just saying people should really be paying more attention to their votes, there have been two situations when an issue has occurred.
1.) duck thought he could hammer me (could be fake or town lean)
2.) banana missed a first post lynch (this is not a townie move in any way, perhaps a mistake)
@BananaCucho
Could you go into more detail on this? By more I mean any
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Can you reexplain your comment on me? I don't know what you mean by I thought I could hammer you. You were never even at 3 votes, and my vote was on you all game.
Also banana not knowing where kovath's vote was is not alignment indicative.
@Unknown1234 what do you think about me reevaluating on you and not willing to vote on you despite how hard I have pushed against you?
Oh yeah I woke up due to the lawn guys being here, and I saw you at L-1 and was going to hammer, but disliked fire's reasoning/you not hammering helz. It wasn't until you reminded me shortly after that I couldn't have hammered even if I wanted to because I was one of the three votes. My mistake.
I am just going to say that 'not hammering' at this point is null. I would not put any value in it. It would have made a lot of sense for scum to hammer super early in the day to cripple the town but at this point it just outs them. I can go through a logic tree on this but really its nothing of value imo..
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
What are you talking about? I voted before Duck, its not like I put Fire at L-1, I just missed where Fire already had a vote. After Duck put him at L-1 I glanced at the page and didn't see Kovath's vote so I didn't realize he had 3 votes until Helz brought it up.
Again fuck off with the passive aggressive digs at me. I have stated time and time again who my town reads are and my position is clear.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
I could be straight up aggressive with you if you would like. I flat out want to see more of your 'reasoning' behind these reads and do not particularly care about the position you take. You could have the worlds shittiest reads that are 100% incorrect but if I can understand your reasoning behind them then I can more effectively read your alignment. Maybe I just keep pushing for reasoning that is not there but I am straight up falling into a read on you of "Player is kinda half ass playing this game, Is it a sign that she is scum or town who just doesn't give a fuck"
Honestly the one thing that has had me keeping a more open mind on you is that I question if you would be inclined to try harder to avoid being lynched as scum. Yeah.. Thats right.. My strongest indicator that you could be town right now is based off what you are not doing rather than what you are. Dislike me pushing you for contributions all you want but it is what it is.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I really couldn't care less what you think, you're not going to push me into playing the game how you want me to play it. I have my play style, you have yours. The only difference this game from others for me is I'm trying to tone down the aggressive play, but I'm not one to post walls of fluff or post and repost a reads list over and over.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
So glad we are letting the day continue for this productive contribution.
I'm working on reads.. Kinda taking them from the ground up. Although I do not think I will be supporting the Firebringer lynch.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
What do you think about the post I made where firebringer is only scum reading me for my lynch order type plays I have made this game, yet he has done the exact same thing with even the same people in his lynch orders?
Do you not see firebringer as being inconsistent this game?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Reads (In order from strongest town to strongest scum leans)
MattZed- Still my strongest town leanSpoiler : MattZed Stuffs :
Kovath- Leaning Town (But kinda worried)Spoiler : Kovath Stuffs :
Firebringer- Slightly leaning townSpoiler : FireBringer Stuffs :
PLZLEAVEDUCKK- Null to very slight town leanSpoiler : Duckk Stuffs :
Unknown- Slightly leaning scumSpoiler : Unknown Stuffs :
BananaCucho- Leaning ScumSpoiler : Banana Stuffs :
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I am BACK!
And day isn't over.
How much time?
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
For the end of day I do not think I would be willing to vote Firebringer. But I will also not fight against his lynch simply because I don't like his very recent activity. I would like to lynch Banana but thats kind of a coin toss. Hard to read apathetic behavior. I would be willing to lynch Unknown
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
@BananaCucho , can you explain why Fire's vote on Unknown moved him from a town read you defended for literally days to your strongest scumread, stronger than even your constant scum lean from Helz?
I'm not disagreeing that disregarding one's read list to put the biggest train at L-1 is mildly indicative of scum alignment. Rather, I'm asking why this, of all things, overrides your meta read, and why it does such so strongly.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Wow I thought, It was going to be over in a few minutes.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
My problem right now is I could lynch Unknown cause he is in my nullish town reads, but Id highly prefer to go with PLZLEAVEDUCKK
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
I think that scum would be less inclined to hammer in this setup than in a normal one. In a normal setup the day chat is not as critical and cutting a few hours off a 72 hour D1 would not be a big deal. In this setup its totally critical as this is the only global chat we will ever get. Scum do not know who their team mate is and can not make an informed decision of "My team mate is in good standing so I can get myself lynched and he can win the game" which is the kind of evaluation a scum would make before putting themselves in a position to be lynched. For that reason I place no value on a player deciding not to hammer.
The only L1 thing of value would have been when Unknown put me to L1 very early in the game. A hammer at that time would have been a hardcore blow to the town and a strong scum play.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I really dislike no lynching.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Why is lynching a nullish town read remotely acceptable to you as a goal? Banana already said, before you had placed your vote, that she'd rather vote Helz and that Unknown was a pressure vote. But then you joined the Unknown train when you could have just as easily joined my leftover pressure vote on Helz and hoped BC would come back to join you. Settling for your third-choice lynch with only one sincere vote on them seemed highly premature.