S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[G4slight]

hi

Hello

[SexyDucK]

MattZed read this game, saw that Duck threatened to game-throw and did NOTHING.

Yeah, I am officially out of this game.

oh boy is that sig worthy

get siggy with it

[powerofdeath]

Hello

what do u think right now?

[G4slight]

Then vote with me so we can get to a productive day.

I've stated why I won't. At this time I actually believe you aren't trying to scum hunt. You are using your confirmed status to push a point that you've got no way of knowing and you aren't willing to think from other aspects.

Such as, there being two tailors. What if like the first game there are two and Shifty is a Luciano tailor but their partner made them look like a gambino tailor.

We have two claimed living DD so out of those two we have 50/50 odds of hitting scum but you won't go there today it seems counter productive tbh.

[G4slight]

what do u think right now?

1. I will only vote out of the two claimed DD, as it gives us a 50/50 shot at hitting a Luciano.
2. Also people have been going in circles all day.

[MattZed]

@MattZed

Is he even reading this at this point?

MattZed sees all.

[powerofdeath]

1. I will only vote out of the two claimed DD, as it gives us a 50/50 shot at hitting a Luciano.
2. Also people have been going in circles all day.

What do u think of Fatalis/Sino?

[SexyDucK]

1. I will only vote out of the two claimed DD, as it gives us a 50/50 shot at hitting a Luciano.
2. Also people have been going in circles all day.

Do you even read the thread...

Yes it is a 50/50 shot nobody has ever disputed that.

We KNOW that shifty is a tailor, you even said ITS THE MOST LIKELY PICKED ROLE, meaning he probably is more likely to be mafia tailor, but we can disregard that for this point.


If we lynch kovath and shifty is mafia, we know that shifty tailored kovath, so regardless of kovath's alignment he is tailored to an orange luciano and we learn nothing

which is why we have to lynch shifty.

This argument has very few holes, and the holes are not what has ever been disputed.

[G4slight]

What do u think of Fatalis/Sino?

I'm figuring at this point one is probably Luciano/FBI Sino has been pushing against Kovath so if he flips Luciano I doubt they are on a team together, so if he is anti-town then he's most likely FBI.

Fatalis I will have to read more and look back at his posts. I've been on mobile and reading/posting from it all day, with all these posts going around and around I will admit I haven't been paying him, or you or even Voss for that matter much attention.

[SexyDucK]

What do u think of Fatalis/Sino?

I don't know if you saw any of day 2 but coming into day2 sino was already my top town read, and the questions he has asked kovath, BCD, and me show he is probably always town.

Fatalis as well, but I guessed he was the culted last night, so we will see.

[G4slight]

Do you even read the thread...

Yes it is a 50/50 shot nobody has ever disputed that.

We KNOW that shifty is a tailor, you even said ITS THE MOST LIKELY PICKED ROLE, meaning he probably is more likely to be mafia tailor, but we can disregard that for this point.


If we lynch kovath and shifty is mafia, we know that shifty tailored kovath, so regardless of kovath's alignment he is tailored to an orange luciano and we learn nothing

which is why we have to lynch shifty.

This argument has very few holes, and the holes are not what has ever been disputed.

What if we lynch Shifty and he's a town tailor. What does that tell us? We have nothing to go on, and we can't even take his role flip as 100% fact since if in a situation like the first game where there were two Luciano tailors they can tailor each other.

[SexyDucK]

What if we lynch Shifty and he's a town tailor. What does that tell us? We have nothing to go on, and we can't even take his role flip as 100% fact since if in a situation like the first game where there were two Luciano tailors they can tailor each other.

it tells us BCD is the town and to lynch kovath.

[Kovath]

You know what, Shifty was on today around 7 hours ago and did absolutely nothing. Screw it.

-vote Shifty

[God Emperor Trudeau]

I havnt read the last 25 pages but I think shifty is the best choice of lynch for today. He should have been lynched yesterday instead of unknown and I changed our vote onto him and BCD changed his to unknown right after so im not sure what that was about. One of the claimed DDs is lying and although kovath has not done a very good job of defending himself and making himself look innocent I would not put it past BCD to send us a message confirming him to be DD just to make it seem like he was indeed town alligned. This seems very possible but at this point shifty is the best lynch. I wouldnt mind someone hammering so that I can catch up during the night phase without having to worry about another 50 pages being added...

[God Emperor Trudeau]

This was eggy btw

[Voss]

Yo, BCD, if you gotta leave for the rest of the day and not come back, fine, do it.

SexyDuck, please shut up for the rest of the day. There's literally no one here that wants to hear more from you. If i'm wrong, please someone say it. Everyone knows the arguments put forth by the two of you. If I see the same 10 posts from you Duck, I'm out for the rest of the day as well.

I'm okay with this Trud, ending day early. Shifty's not coming back. Unless you support a turnaround onto Ruro

[Voss]

I'd be happy with post limits.

[MattZed]

Friendly reminder to not post in games in which you are dead.

[powerofdeath]

fuck the shifty

-vote shifty

[The Godfather]

Shifty has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Shifty (6 [L-0]): SexyDucK, Fatalis, God Emperor Trudeau, Voss, Kovath, powerofdeath
Kovath (3 [L-3]): Borderline Crazy Dealers, G4slight, Rurouni Kenshin

[MattZed]

IT IS NOW NIGHT 2

July 6th, 1960

Before the sun had even reached the half-way point, the family decided it was Shifty's time to go.

Shifty, a Tailor, has been lynched.

Living Players: powerofdeath Borderline Crazy Dealers Rurouni Kenshin Kovath G4slight Fatalis Voss SexyDucK God Emperor Trudeau Sino Dead/Incarcerated Players: MattZed - Corrupt Mayor Unknown1234 - Drug Dealer Logically Insane - Kidnapper Shifty - Tailor

Night 2 Ends in 24 hours.

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[MattZed]

IT IS NOW DAY 3

July 7th, 1960

God Emperor Trudeau has revealed himself as the Godfather.

However, the Lucianos had struck again.

Voss, the FBI Agent, has been murdered by a Luciano.

He had some last words:

PoD is mafia, he admitted to it in the chat, and I failed to recruit him. A doc's gotta out to save PoD from lynch. Also, there's one more investigative running around probably?...

Living Players: powerofdeath Borderline Crazy Dealers Rurouni Kenshin Kovath G4slight Fatalis SexyDucK God Emperor Trudeau Sino Dead/Incarcerated Players: MattZed - Corrupt Mayor Unknown1234 - Drug Dealer Logically Insane - Kidnapper Shifty - Tailor Voss - FBI Agent

Day 3 Ends in 48 hours.

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5 votes to hammer.
God Emperor Trudeau is the mayor with 3 votes.

[SexyDucK]

Good that saves my from convincing people to lynch voss today.

My last will incase I died:

Was busy, didn’t have much time so here is where I am at.

powerofdeath – Probably Gambino Underboss. Checking shifty makes sense from a town POV, and since nobody else has claimed a town invest he is probably legit. I would not be surprised to see an agent claim.
Borderline Crazy Dealers – Two things I think you guys should ask them are the difference in reactions of when RK counterclaimed me, and how she didn’t go as hard as I would expect when unknown claimed (she stated there couldn’t be two town beguilers, so I expected a bit more pressure on the DD CC.) That point I don’t think is a big issue, but worth talking about. The more important part is why she has Kovath/RK paired as Luciano when she was town reading him during his beguiler claim, and believed his claim more than mine despite having a town read on me.

Rurouni Kenshin – I believe he is beguiler. Everything he has down from the start indicated he was a beguiler, if he is not town his counterclaim against me was risky. It is possible he saw my timing of claiming and thought I was a doctor trying to avoid the night kill, but I believe he is town.
Kovath – Most likely to be lynched today. I can’t really explain his play from a scum perspective. When he counterclaimed unknown it seemed out of frustration that I was leaning towards lynching shifty. One reason might be to push a miss lynch, but shifty was also a miss lynch, so I don’t think he would care. I really don’t see how this benefits him when he knows there will be a miss lynch and will look bad the next day. He could have done a crazy risky play and just hoped we would think from a scum perspective, but I am not sure.
G4slight – I don’t know much from his play this game, I think you guys need to interact a lot with him today to be sure. I actually like that he was on the unknown, but not the shifty train. He was lurking in the thread for the last several hours of the day and it looked like a scum lurking to hammer. He had adequate time, and did not hammer so if he is scum he took a slow approach on day2, which with it being a short day is possible he does not hammer as scum there or even cast his vote.
Fatalis – Very strongly reading him as town. However, if I was cult, I would have moled him every time. I did not notice a shift in his play, so he is still a good candidate to be town, but once again we need more from him during the day to truly see.
Voss – I would probably spend most of the day on voss, getting more content from him. He was on both votes and I can’t say what he has done so far. I think he needed to be pressured more on day 1, so hopefully you guys can make up for that today.
Sino – The strongest town for me on both days. He had strong play on day1, and his questions on day 2 were fantastic.

This is my tiers: Tier 1 is almost never lynch, tier 2 are likely towns,
Mesk, Sino, rk
fatalis, pod

Personally I would lynch voss today, but I trust you guys, so good luck.
As for the BCD v. Kovath, who the fuck knows to be honest. The lynch should be kovath, but my reads go against that. Just go with your reads boys.
Also I think if the cult conversion was successful it was between sino/fatalis, more likely fatalis.

PSA: someone should ISO logically insane to see who they wanted dead to find out why they died in the night. They wanted to lynch g4 and RK from the small bit I just looked up. I believe g4 had motivation to kill them from the little I saw, but somebody do an actual full ISO.

[God Emperor Trudeau]

okayokay, lets get this show on the road...

[SexyDucK]

Usually I am against listening to evil's last wills, but I will say I did not notice a shift in any players behavior from day 1 to day 2.

Do we think it is earnest in any regard?

[Kovath]

I got roleblocked again...

[Fatalis]

I got roleblocked again...

@SexyDucK

Do you think the consort is town or scum?

[Fatalis]

If Voss' last will is telling the truth, there's no mole today based on OoO

[Kovath]

To let people know:

I attempted to no-feedback drug Voss last night.

I was either reading him as scum or potential FBI-Agent target, so I figured it couldn't hurt either way.

[SexyDucK]

@SexyDucK

Do you think the consort is town or scum?

I dont think there is one anymore. They would never roleblock him twice inarow when the night kill still happened.

There is one small scenario I can think of, but it wouldnt be a town consort, and it would be a beyond suboptimal play to roleblock him.

Him claiming roleblock makes me want ho hard mafia read him at this point...

[Kovath]

Doc would never save PoD from lynch on N1 over consig / GF.

I could also see PoD as Luciano Underboss. It makes sense to out a found Tailor, knowing that town was likely to lynch the role.

I still believe that BCD is another town DD, for reasons that I stated on Day 2.

[SexyDucK]

If Voss' last will is telling the truth, there's no mole today based on OoO

What do you think about recruiting PoD?

He would have been one of my least likely selections to cult since he was a huge lurker and not really wanting to catch up. I think someone said POD is capable of being very productive in day 2, so he would have had to thought POD would have a strong day 2 and go under the radar.


Would a mafia pick underboss?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

-vote Kovath

[Kovath]

I'm curious why Voss would leave a detail like that in his last will as FBI Agent (maybe because he knew that if he died, cult was dead anyway and he wanted town to win or something?), but he couldn't be town either because leaving such a last will would be lying and Tailor only affects role / alignment.

Duck: You can believe my roleblock claim or not, if you don't then you're 100% lynching me today. I personally have little explanation for why someone would roleblock me twice in a row, other than a Luciano trying to get me lynched for claiming it twice or a town Consort assuming that I was Luciano and being sent out tonight (doubtful).

[God Emperor Trudeau]

I think the question should be: Who did Voss want dead and who's gullible enough to buy that he's a townie

[Rurouni Kenshin]

We hid behind Kovath.

-vote Kovath

[Kovath]

What do you think about recruiting PoD?

He would have been one of my least likely selections to cult since he was a huge lurker and not really wanting to catch up. I think someone said POD is capable of being very productive in day 2, so he would have had to thought POD would have a strong day 2 and go under the radar.


Would a mafia pick underboss?

Underboss is a pro-town role that could fade away and not come under pressure. Meanwhile, it would collect valuable information for the Lucianos.

The question is, do you believe that Voss actually managed to mole someone N1 and is trying to mislynch PoD? Hard to say. I do think there was rationale for Voss to attempt to recruit PoD, as few people wanted to policy lynch him (which, coincidentally, included LI who died N1).

[Kovath]

I think the question should be: Who did Voss want dead and who's gullible enough to buy that he's a townie

There is no world in which Voss was Town. Last wills are unaffected by Tailor.

[SexyDucK]

Doc would never save PoD from lynch on N1 over consig / GF.

I could also see PoD as Luciano Underboss. It makes sense to out a found Tailor, knowing that town was likely to lynch the role.

I still believe that BCD is another town DD, for reasons that I stated on Day 2.

In the world of 3 DD, we have 7 or 6 towns.

Mesk, Duck, Kovath, BCD, -sino- -fatalis- Rk, PoD Would be my town if none were culted.

That is 1-2 towns too many. If you two are actual town DD's it means pod is actually mafia? and I was probably wrong on one of my two strongest town reads in sino and fatalis.

Possible floating roles:

Doctor
Consort?
Agent


People not in this potential town list: g4.

These are random thoughts no real point to any of this.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Fatalis is most likely target for Voss n1.

Doesn't matter ATM. Kovath dies today. Now that you've mislynched Shifty and gotten that waste of a lynch out of the way we can settle this 1v1.

[SexyDucK]

I'm curious why Voss would leave a detail like that in his last will as FBI Agent (maybe because he knew that if he died, cult was dead anyway and he wanted town to win or something?), but he couldn't be town either because leaving such a last will would be lying and Tailor only affects role / alignment.

Duck: You can believe my roleblock claim or not, if you don't then you're 100% lynching me today. I personally have little explanation for why someone would roleblock me twice in a row, other than a Luciano trying to get me lynched for claiming it twice or a town Consort assuming that I was Luciano and being sent out tonight (doubtful).

That was my one theory, but I thought of another one

THey thought you were an fbi agent.

[SexyDucK]

Fatalis is most likely target for Voss n1.

Doesn't matter ATM. Kovath dies today. Now that you've mislynched Shifty and gotten that waste of a lynch out of the way we can settle this 1v1.

what do you think about exploring g4 regardless of whether or not we end up lynching kovath?

Do you think he made up the consort claim too?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Discuss who the mole might be all you want, Kovath dies today.

I'm flying solo now so don't expect the spam we were putting out before.

[Kovath]

That was my one theory, but I thought of another one

THey thought you were an fbi agent.

Why would they ever think that I was an FBI Agent after hard-claiming DD against Unknown?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

what do you think about exploring g4 regardless of whether or not we end up lynching kovath?

Do you think he made up the consort claim too?

I don't even think Kovath is a DD. He could have claimed go have tried to send a message to Mesk as well - instead he wanted to no feedback Voss, for being mafia/FBI agent.

99% chance the consort doesn't even exist.

[SexyDucK]

We hid behind Kovath.

-vote Kovath

Why did you state this when your plan was for pod to check you to prove you are beguiler?

[Fatalis]

what do you think about exploring g4 regardless of whether or not we end up lynching kovath?

Do you think he made up the consort claim too?

He most likely didn't make up the consort claim, because G4slight is a consort.

I claim Underboss, N1 I was unfortunate enough to target BCD, that's why my first post in day 2 called out to BCD in particular. N2 - G4slight - consort

[Fatalis]

He most likely didn't make up the consort claim, because G4slight is a consort.

I claim Underboss, N1 I was unfortunate enough to target BCD, that's why my first post in day 2 called out to BCD in particular. N2 - G4slight - consort

Highlighting this

[SexyDucK]

Why would they ever think that I was an FBI Agent after hard-claiming DD against Unknown?

Because of the wacky consort claim.


I think in your position if I was faking being roleblocked, I don't do it again on night 2, but I think we should move on from that point for now unless a consort claims

[Rurouni Kenshin]

Why did you state this when your plan was for pod to check you to prove you are beguiler?

I see your point. Lack of foresight.

So I guess its between Me and Kovath then eh?