S-FM 210: Give or Take

[Titus]

I missed this earlier since it was coming from my scum read. I was like, eh, ignorable.
Calls me out for shade, makes baseless shade.

Where did you get the idea that I haven't read the thread?
Why are you giving Banana a pass for not reading?

You haven't made 1 comment that shows you are reacting to anything happening. *shrug*
If I thought banana wasn't reading the thread, I would be grilling them and getting them involved. If you were reading, they are my biggest townread.

[Mesk514]

Can we please just get Banana. I don't know why you're all resisting my pressure...

JUST DO IT

[Titus]

Can we please just get Banana. I don't know why you're all resisting my pressure...

JUST DO IT

You mean get Banana an award for townieness? Give it a rest or fucking case him.

Who do you think is scum if you're wrong?

[secondpassing]

You haven't made 1 comment that shows you are reacting to anything happening. *shrug*
If I thought banana wasn't reading the thread, I would be grilling them and getting them involved. If you were reading, they are my biggest townread.

Answering this first since it is simpler, get to the other one in a minute.
Comments that I am reacting to anything happening- the flip? I was flipping there when it was happening.
I gave my comments in REAL TIME. This is a legit misrep.

Well, I'll let you know. BananaCucho typed that she has, "hard read 20%, skimmed the rest"
yzb: "Are you going to catch up?"
BC: "From here on out yeah"

That means behind "here on"" she did not really read the thread.

[Titus]

Answering this first since it is simpler, get to the other one in a minute.
Comments that I am reacting to anything happening- the flip? I was flipping there when it was happening.
I gave my comments in REAL TIME. This is a legit misrep.

Well, I'll let you know. BananaCucho typed that she has, "hard read 20%, skimmed the rest"
yzb: "Are you going to catch up?"
BC: "From here on out yeah"

That means behind "here on"" she did not really read the thread.

And you're playing semantics.
You haven't adjusted thought about or analyzed anything.
Saying you're replying in real time doesn't excuse analysis or thought.

Second, even with the comments being there, banana's skim read is still reading. On ms, I don't even read half the games I sub into. Scum can justify anything or flail. Votes tell the story in the end.

How are you going to justify ignoring my request for reads?

[Titus]

And I'm out. Rope this motherscummer.

[secondpassing]

Never Unlucky was town so therefore anyone who wanted to lynch him is scum. No. Never Unlucky was scummy and avoiding his wagon or even acknowledging that his play was Antitown is absurd. 99/100 times when someone votes a townread and discredits them over pushing scum, the slot is scum. Was Never unlucky town? Yes. Do I regret the vote? No. Nor should anyone else on that wagon.

He was BLEEDING BLEEDING TOWN. Anybody giving him a fair chance and reading how he was feeling would have seen this. Not only was he building he reads and scum hunting- whilst pressured mind you, he was also busy showing us he was town. People that decided to lynch him and that are town should feel regret and reflect. You just justified for all the scum on his wagon, if there was one more than you.

You keep trying to associate me with bring trash which is far more offensive than Never Unlucky calling me dumb. Calling people trash is a hollow discrediting tactic that obscures from facts. You repeatedly use such tactics.
My bleeding town emotion was equivalent yesterday when everyone came to my defense when NU attacked me. This site has an ISO feature.

Trash? You are trash. Scum = Trash in the thesaurus. You bemoaning the fact is indicative that you know you are trash. That's simply the role you rolled this game, nothing personal.
Everyone "coming to your defense" is made up. No one came to your defense, they simply pushed back at NU.

The site has an ISO feature that you fail to use. Try quoting. I already tried one quote, you can try the next.

Second, dovetailing into your Followup post, you finally admit that you had no interest yesterday in reading my emotions at the time I reveal them to you. Yet, you expect me to believe that you're trying to reconsider your opinion when you ask now? When you don't even bother asking for my reads on substance at all?

That's not what I was trying to say. I said I was attempting to not to read emotions because more experienced players said in other games that it is interfering with my play. Whether or not I actually ignore my tendency to read emotions is another separate matter. As I said, ~48th hour I decided to go full space case to get reads.

I don't need reads from a scum read as it is a waste of time and a deceptive tactic. But you can give your reads if you wish.

Using emotion to manipulate is ok, if there's something to back it up with. Yet, there never is with you. That's why you don't want people to rip apart your posts logically. There's nothing there. Not once have you supported a read in this game.

People can go ahead and rip my posts apart logically, I just hope they do not miss my emotion when posting them. In fact, to compensate I add a little bit of logic into most of my posts in the hopes that it will also appeal to their logical side.

Stop saying "nothing", this makes me believe you aren't reading the thread carefully. I've given reads on multiple players with a mix of emotional and logical reads, notable MiniZed and Never Unlucky and DarknessB.

You refuse to comment on major events, even when asked. When showed that even the minor points you make ("reactionary is scummy") are shown wrong, you act like they never exist rather than engaging.

Answered in like the post right above this one.

You are nothing more than a two bit huckster trying to sell snake oil in a desperate plea to survive. Most scum can fake logic or emotion but not both. Your constant attempt to keep things away from substance and logic is indicative of someone who knows they cannot win by doing that do must pull at emotions.

I don't sell logic. Why do you think I was called a space case?

It's time you give reads. I know you pretend I am scum, so do it twice. Once with me bring town. I can then ignore the one that says scum titus until you flip so I can see who you try to link me with.

Very interesting question. Answer in a separate post. In the meantime, give your own.

pedit: lol you did not read the whole post of the post you responded to.

[secondpassing]

Reads list with what I actually think:
Three things that are seperate:
Gut- intuition
Heart- feelings
Mind- logic

DarknessB- Mind is perplexed about this player, always is when in the same game as him. Gut is questioning why his play is so vastly different than his other time's plays, which is mostly unfair meta that I have to reconcile with. Has pushed two trains and at the forefront- so mechanically(?) he is town
yzb25- willing to look at things from a different perspective (Eggy read) and to fight with the town leader (MattZed) keeps an open mind, which is helpful. I see just about nothing which could be a thing that he is using to deceive us. Hammered yesterday. Odd that MattZed ended up dying, but whatever.
MiniZed- always asking questions. My heart cannot tell me what he is thinking, but what he posts is definitely pro-town. A bit reactive in his scum reads of Gingerape and Never Unlucky from yesterday.
Eggy- Lurking town. Projecting some nice feelings in the posts that he does make, but they are so short they can be feigned easily. So could be lurking scum.
Mesk514- Tunnels mechanically so darn hard. Is what she says she is.
BananaCucho- Seemed like she townread (maybe slightly) NU from yesterday, yet seemed content just lynching him. Gives like no thought to how Titus is town. Does VCA informally.
GameFreak- Lurking scum.
Gingerape- Could be scum, probably not. Dunno why. Lurking town.
Titus- Reacted poorly to a pressure vote. Reactionary in a self-serving way. Throws shade on posts made against her by calling them shade. Refuses to quote her own posts. Disconnect between her thought and actions.

RIP NU.

post thought: Titus > GameFreak/BananaCucho > Eggy > Gingerape

[secondpassing]

Reads list with what I actually think:
Three things that are seperate:
Gut- intuition
Heart- feelings
Mind- logic

DarknessB- Mind is perplexed about this player, always is when in the same game as him. Gut is questioning why his play is so vastly different than his other time's plays, which is mostly unfair meta that I have to reconcile with. Has pushed two trains and at the forefront- so mechanically(?) he is town
yzb25- willing to look at things from a different perspective (Eggy read) and to fight with the town leader (MattZed) keeps an open mind, which is helpful. I see just about nothing which could be a thing that he is using to deceive us. Hammered yesterday. Odd that MattZed ended up dying, but whatever.
MiniZed- always asking questions. My heart cannot tell me what he is thinking, but what he posts is definitely pro-town. A bit reactive in his scum reads of Gingerape and Never Unlucky from yesterday.
Eggy- Lurking town. Projecting some nice feelings in the posts that he does make, but they are so short they can be feigned easily. So could be lurking scum.
Mesk514- Tunnels mechanically so darn hard. Is what she says she is.
BananaCucho- Seemed like she townread (maybe slightly) NU from yesterday, yet seemed content just lynching him. Gives like no thought to how Titus is town. Does VCA informally.
GameFreak- Lurking scum.
Gingerape- Could be scum, probably not. Dunno why. Lurking town.
Titus- Reacted poorly to a pressure vote. Reactionary in a self-serving way. Throws shade on posts made against her by calling them shade. Refuses to quote her own posts. Disconnect between her thought and actions.

RIP NU.

post thought: Titus > GameFreak/BananaCucho > Eggy > Gingerape

Ran out of time to do if Titus was town thing. (its 1 am)
I would suspect Banana next if Titus was town. My read on DB would weaken, as he would have continued to push NU to get attention off Titus.
Reads on everyone else would stay about the same. Oh, read on Mesk would be near confirmed town at that point.

[secondpassing]

I won't be here for day end. Don't lynch me. Lynch Titus.
Vig shoot tonight please.

[GameFreak]

Alright guys , wasn't here yesterday so i'll be reading up and giving my thoughts.

Suprised MZ died last night , since he was the other train.

[GameFreak]

I'm at page 17 right now. My thoughts of the day so far is as follows.

I believe DB and Yzb are fighting a TvT. They both give me a townvibe, DB from yesterday and yzb because he is giving an explanation for all his actions
and I can not find a single mistake in them. I would have expected scum yzb to have atleast made a questionable explanation but so far its all solid.

Something i found interesting is Eggy and Mesk are not interacting with eachother whatsoever. I don't know who else has been keeping count but they are not asking each other any questions or questioning each others behaviour. I always thought they got along really well so i find this really weird. They are giving me strong scumvibes.

The BZ-Titus combo is confusing me since scum wouldnt make it so obvious and if 1 dies the other goes too. I think they are either both town or one of them is buddying scum. Because as i said if 1 dies the other is likely to get lynched aswell.
There is one problem with this that i'm trying to figure out, if i go along with my theory that Eggy and Mesk are on the scumteam,
and if i go with BZ being the scum that wouldn't make much sense since Mesk's useless posts yesterday only focusing on BZ and Eggy now trying to lynch her.
that would point to Titus being the scum, but Titus got early pushed so hard D1 i also doubt she's the scum.
So for now i'm going to put them as T&T

That leaves Mini , Ginger and SP.
And i'm having a hard time deciding who would be scum in this mix.
MZ and SP are contributing and Ginger i can not put a read on.
So i'll tell you after i've read the last 2 pages if i can pick up on something.

[GameFreak]

caught my eye, will give more thoughts later , just want to get through the day now.

No, DarknessB actually voiced a couple of my thoughts regarding yzb25; but I find his reasoning a little bit simplistic. Would scum hide in plain sight like that? Maybe- knowing the nature of this game (numerous lurkers/people who don't care as much), but I'm looking for scum that are trying to hide-- the piggybackers of a lynch.

For scum to hammer and make a spheal to do it seems like a play that would make sense later as the days go on. yzb25 has drawn attention to himself with the hammer, scum could have just waited out the no-lynch as an alternative play.

Agree with you on this, yzb didn't have to hammer but let's be honest in sc2mafia meta no lynching is never done so even town feel the pressure

Lurk = scum. Not that Lurkers are actually scum, but that lurkers have a higher probability than setup average to be scum. (GameFreak's scum percentage > 33)

I actually read you more town because of this, i thought i would come back today to alot of people questioning where i was the entirity of yesterday but so far only you and Mini have mentioned it. Which even i find weird.


Titus basically said that she only pushed against NU because he pushed her. Titus made clear that she thought NU probably thought she was a fellow town, and did not unvote.
Her thought =/= actions. You should not play around with votes.

My read on you is constantly changing (mostly between town and null) according to the way you answer my questions and engage in the thread. I'm a little bit like MattZed in the sense that if a player makes a promise, I expect them to keep it. If you ask questions, I expect you to get some strong reads-- considering you've done quite a bit of them this game.
I was a little impatient I admit. Given that we are nearing day's end, I hope you understand why I expected a reply.

I missed Eggy and Mesk and have no compulsory feeling to post about them in tandem with the lynch yesterday.

Most interesting part to me since those are both my scumreads and you forgot to mention them.

[GameFreak]

Reads list with what I actually think:
Three things that are seperate:
Gut- intuition
Heart- feelings
Mind- logic

DarknessB- Mind is perplexed about this player, always is when in the same game as him. Gut is questioning why his play is so vastly different than his other time's plays, which is mostly unfair meta that I have to reconcile with. Has pushed two trains and at the forefront- so mechanically(?) he is town

This is Db's town meta , i don't see how you could be mistaking it.

yzb25- willing to look at things from a different perspective (Eggy read) and to fight with the town leader (MattZed) keeps an open mind, which is helpful. I see just about nothing which could be a thing that he is using to deceive us. Hammered yesterday. Odd that MattZed ended up dying, but whatever.

agree

MiniZed- always asking questions. My heart cannot tell me what he is thinking, but what he posts is definitely pro-town. A bit reactive in his scum reads of Gingerape and Never Unlucky from yesterday.

Weird phrasing , you see post town but your heart cannot tell what he's thinking ? He's one of the guys i can always tell what he's thinking because he posts so many questions.

Eggy- Lurking town. Projecting some nice feelings in the posts that he does make, but they are so short they can be feigned easily. So could be lurking scum.

Mesk514- Tunnels mechanically so darn hard. Is what she says she is.

GameFreak- Lurking scum.

Gingerape- Could be scum, probably not. Dunno why. Lurking town.

Now i want to put these all together SP because here i cannot follow you. I see a little red on my name. The problems i have with it is as follows:
You put no explanation next to me except 'lurks', thats fine i'm a known lurker i won't contest it. But somehow you can call Mesk a townread and put lurking town next to Ginger and Eggy. So i can't defend myself because your reason is simply lurks, which you give to 2 townvibes aswell.

1) have you done any proper ISO of Mesk ? you call that tunneling with meme pictures she's doing town ? I call it NAI at best. In my 5 posts i made yesterday i put more information for people to analyse about my thoughts than Mesk has done in her 50 posts stating lynch BZ , lynch BZ , lynch BZ.

2)Eggy , projecting nice feelings ? those 5 word posts he does where he just says random shit don't even contain feelings. Day1 consisted of him defending himself against barely any pressure. again you get a townvibe from that ?

3)now lets compare some reasoning Ginger "Could be scum, probably not. Dunno why. Lurking town." Vs Gf "Lurking scum."
Before i saw this list i would have given you a townvibe, but here your logic falls apart. The only difference between me and Ginger is that he scumreads the same people as you and i don't. So i can only conclude your reading of people is biased

Titus- Reacted poorly to a pressure vote. Reactionary in a self-serving way. Throws shade on posts made against her by calling them shade. Refuses to quote her own posts. Disconnect between her thought and actions.

BananaCucho- Seemed like she townread (maybe slightly) NU from yesterday, yet seemed content just lynching him. Gives like no thought to how Titus is town. Does VCA informally.

You ignore their buddying completely ? You are looking for stuff to pressure.

RIP NU.

post thought: Titus > GameFreak/BananaCucho > Eggy > Gingerape

I already stated Mesk and Eggy are my top scumreads and you just let them off the hook by not even questioning the motivation behind their posts, and i disagree with the reasoning of your reads. I can't tell if you are their scumpartner or just a misguided town.

[GameFreak]

the vigi should probably shoot Banana. do us all a favour please.

i don't believe Banana

-vote BananaCucho

NONONONONONO

GET BANANANANANANANANANNANANANANANANAA
DO IT

I DONT BELIEVE HER
I DONT
I DONT

DO IT

GET THE BANANA

Get BANANANANANNANANA

SHES NOT THE TOWN SLEUTH

I CAN FEEL IT IN MY SOUL

SOMEBODY LISTEN TO MEEEEEE

@Eggy

GEEEET THE BANANANANAAA

GUYS I WILL NEVER BEG FOR ANYTHING EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE


GET BANANANANAAA

BANANANANANNANA WAS MY MENTOR

SHE IS SCUM

I KNOW ALL YOUR DEEPEST DARKEST SECRETS, WE'RE BESTIES, DON'T TELL ME YOURE NOT SCUM... I TAKE THAT AS A FUCKING INSULT


BANANANANANNAAA IS SCUM

WHILE I DONT ENCOURAGE THE REAL INVEST TO OUT THEMSELVES, JUST FOLLOW ME ATLEAST

SHE EVEN ADMITS IT

OMG
OMG
OMG


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

GET

BANANA

FUCKING

CUCHO

JESUS CHRIST

ALMIGHTY

PLEASURE ME, JUST THIS ONCE PLEASE

I CANNOT EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE MY FEELINGS, ALL I KNOW IS CAPS LOCK

I got tired after 2 pages but yeah definitely town SP no doubt in my mind

[GameFreak]

Well, I find myself in a tough situation...

Do I take the side of the mentor that made me the person I am today, or my high school fuck

uh

well

tbh I think I'm taking Eggys side on this one

-vote BananaCucho

Can we please just get Banana. I don't know why you're all resisting my pressure...

JUST DO IT

-vote Mesk514

I really doubt she is town and i feel like her lynch will give us the most information towards the scumteam.

[GameFreak]

be back in roughly 4 hours.

[MiniZed]

I'm at page 17 right now. My thoughts of the day so far is as follows.

I believe DB and Yzb are fighting a TvT. They both give me a townvibe, DB from yesterday and yzb because he is giving an explanation for all his actions
and I can not find a single mistake in them. I would have expected scum yzb to have atleast made a questionable explanation but so far its all solid.

Something i found interesting is Eggy and Mesk are not interacting with eachother whatsoever. I don't know who else has been keeping count but they are not asking each other any questions or questioning each others behaviour. I always thought they got along really well so i find this really weird. They are giving me strong scumvibes.

The BZ-Titus combo is confusing me since scum wouldnt make it so obvious and if 1 dies the other goes too. I think they are either both town or one of them is buddying scum. Because as i said if 1 dies the other is likely to get lynched aswell.
There is one problem with this that i'm trying to figure out, if i go along with my theory that Eggy and Mesk are on the scumteam,
and if i go with BZ being the scum that wouldn't make much sense since Mesk's useless posts yesterday only focusing on BZ and Eggy now trying to lynch her.
that would point to Titus being the scum, but Titus got early pushed so hard D1 i also doubt she's the scum.
So for now i'm going to put them as T&T

That leaves Mini , Ginger and SP.
And i'm having a hard time deciding who would be scum in this mix.
MZ and SP are contributing and Ginger i can not put a read on.
So i'll tell you after i've read the last 2 pages if i can pick up on something.

Is your town-read of Darkness purely from yesterday? Because given the situation it's been a big difference.

Why do you find yzb' logic solid? Which logic?

I don't think those two are the only ones not interacting. You could say the same about yourself and Ginger, regardless of slightly lurking it's not a strong case to use.

I don't see a high amount of solid information other then it would be too obvious. Why are you reading everyone together?

I don't get how you have all three of us together as null. Is it because you can't pair us?

[MiniZed]

I got tired after 2 pages but yeah definitely town SP no doubt in my mind

What makes you think this is scum!Mesk?

Why did you point it out??

[BananaCucho]

Ran out of time to do if Titus was town thing. (its 1 am)
I would suspect Banana next if Titus was town. My read on DB would weaken, as he would have continued to push NU to get attention off Titus.
Reads on everyone else would stay about the same. Oh, read on Mesk would be near confirmed town at that point.

Literally "suspect Titus -> then banana -> the darkness", aka the three most experienced players here.

Who was killed? The 4th most experienced player here. 4/5 of the fab 5 I originally mentioned.

But not minized. Minized/sp sum team coming together now

[BananaCucho]

-vote Mesk514

I really doubt she is town and i feel like her lynch will give us the most information towards the scumteam.

Mesk lynch won't happen today. The only thing that might tempt me off of a SP lynch is a MiniZed lynch so if you suspect MiniZed that's a better way to go.

[Titus]

I agree with banana. Mesk isn't happening. SP should. SP says that the tunnel by mesk on banana is mechanical. That's scummy as shit. Those reads are terrible. The "if Titus is town" reads are an afterthought with no effort because sp cannot put effort in, just words. He's creating alternative realities to justify his reads.

I am at SP, GameFreak, and Gingerape as scumbuddies. SP is the tank, while the other two lurk it out to swing a wagon on town at deadline. I have varying degrees of townreads on everyone else.

Which means if SP is town, I must be wrong on a townread somewhere. I would likely reread the yb/darkness fight in more detail. Gun to my head if sp town, YB would be scum.

Darkness had an awesome d1
YB just feels town and I don't get why those two are fighting.
Eggy reminds me of ms egg and therefore town.
MiniZed bleeds town when he engages and ignores BC's catch 22.

[Titus]

There is detail withheld due to time and major antitown eas from that.

[yzb25]

Even if it was beneficial to town you said you would not lynch him under any circumstance and that you were town reading him everyone voting him was more or less scum reading him.

Fuck I vaguely remember vowing by goat sacrifice not to lynch NU. Curse my hyperbolic language haha. I love drama. Honestly, I had kinda been convinced to lynch NU upwards of 15/20 mins before EOD, but I also wanted to smugly say things like "TROLOLOLOL I FEEL 95% SURE NU IS GETTING LYNCHED. WANNA KNOW WHY?! BOOM! PLOT TWIST!"

Anyway, nah, the NU train was a joke. NU himself could see that. DB and maybe Minized (hazy memory) were the only ones who had reasons for scumreading NU that weren't pure shit. Titus gave reasons too, but when I started dismantling them, she stopped replying.

In my experience a town would never hammer someone they thought was town just because it was the only possible lynch.

It wasn't just because it was the only possible lynch. It was because I thought the game would stagnate if I didn't "get it over with" - I wanted to end the NU vs. BC and Titus shitshow. I wanted the game to move forward, I didn't want 3 voters locked on eachother the following day. And I couldn't be arsed with sitting through another 48 hours of shitflinging.

The only time i've seen people make an identical play is when they are scum, I did it once.

It's very reasonable to use your own experiences to inform your reads of others - that's the basis of empathy. However, not everyone thinks and sees the world like you do. Case and point the PL idea, which you still struggle to read from a scum perspective even lol.

I do not regret lynching NU, and would do it again if I was teleported back to 5 minutes before day 1 end. Lynching someone I thought was town was a good decision in that situation. Ends justifying means and all that shit.

The only reason I ever dismissed the idea of you being scum is because people were saying you were a space case and after seeing what happened to SP last game I had my doubts you were just a town with strange play style. From what i've seen now your posts are a lot more thought out and I dont think you are really that much of a space case and are instead just scum. The only other person I am willing to vote is banana. After that I would probably lynch unknown I know there is atleast one scum between you 3.

This almost implies if my posts were shitter you'd townread me XDDDD

And I am a Space Case. I'm a lunatic dammit I swear!

Real talk though, it seems like you're only scumreading BC because she defended me. See it from her side - your vote really looked like a scum hopping on the bandwagon. You can be easily misconstrued. And BC's uncooperative "nah you're scum no matter what lol" seems pretty NAI lol.

Also, why is it that one of me, Minized or BC have to be scum? Are you comfortable with sharing?

Anyway, I'm gonna post up some thoughts on every player, then place my vote.

[Mesk514]

Who's the idiot that doesn't realize I don't need to talk to Eggy. Eggy and I barely ever talk to each other in FM. That's what happens when you sleep with people. I know Eggy well enough to know he's defensive as fuck this game but calm. Eggy is also never AFK as scum.
So mom Eggy and I aren't scum together.
And you're an idiot.

[Mesk514]

So yeah* Eggy and I aren't scum together***

[Mesk514]

And honestly. If this Vigilante shoots me instead of Banana I will personally order them a helmet.

[MiniZed]

And honestly. If this Vigilante shoots me instead of Banana I will personally order them a helmet.

Why does the Vigilante need to shoot either of you?

[MiniZed]

Literally "suspect Titus -> then banana -> the darkness", aka the three most experienced players here.

Who was killed? The 4th most experienced player here. 4/5 of the fab 5 I originally mentioned.

But not minized. Minized/sp sum team coming together now

I like how that came to you. But I'm not scum, and I doubt SP is. Do you have any actual reads or are you just going to keep posting one liners saying both of us are scum?

[Calix]

@Gingerape is replacing out due to real-life commitments.

@JealousTL will be replacing him.

[yzb25]

There is detail withheld due to time and major antitown eas from that.

No, bullshit. You had 5 hours. You still have 3 hours. Give real reads. I probably won't post reads until 2 hours in, but it's saturday so enough people will likely be on to lynch whoever anyway.

Even if your reads are too late, delaying the time you take to post reads even more is ridiculous.

You're making references today about how "once you've figured it all out you'll be a formidable town blahblahblah".

Bullshit. What incredible, full-scum-team finding developed reads will you have tomorrow that you can't state now? Will a couple flips revolutionize your perspective?

-vote Titus

I want reads. I will post my reads. You will post your reads.

Fair?

[JealousTL]

Hello everyone!

Fortunately, I have been following the game, and have read just about every post in the thread as a silent observer. I will have to review some things that I didn't view from the perspective of a player, namely the train on NU. I remember while reading that I disagreed with almost everything that was going on during that period, both the train and NU's reaction to it.

[yzb25]

No, bullshit. You had 5 hours. You still have 3 hours. Give real reads. I probably won't post reads until 2 hours in, but it's saturday so enough people will likely be on to lynch whoever anyway.

Even if your reads are too late, delaying the time you take to post reads even more is ridiculous.

You're making references today about how "once you've figured it all out you'll be a formidable town blahblahblah".

Bullshit. What incredible, full-scum-team finding developed reads will you have tomorrow that you can't state now? Will a couple flips revolutionize your perspective?

-vote Titus

I want reads. I will post my reads. You will post your reads.

Fair?

It will be lylo tomorrow if we mislynch today. Your "wait for me to pull it all together" attitude looks like a scum's attempt to get out of giving the money reads until it's too late. If we follow your reads tomorrow and you turn out to be scum we'll be fucked. This is so dodgy.

[yzb25]

Hello everyone!

Fortunately, I have been following the game, and have read just about every post in the thread as a silent observer. I will have to review some things that I didn't view from the perspective of a player, namely the train on NU. I remember while reading that I disagreed with almost everything that was going on during that period, both the train and NU's reaction to it.

NICE!!!

It's a pleasure to have you! Welcome!

[BananaCucho]

I like how that came to you. But I'm not scum, and I doubt SP is. Do you have any actual reads or are you just going to keep posting one liners saying both of us are scum?

I'm obvtown to you so why do you care?
Get your vote off of Titus now.

[BananaCucho]

@yzb25 Voting Titus to get them to "contribute more" on a day in which she is V/LA (ms term for vacation/less active) is pretty silly, even for a minty breathed one like yourself.

[Titus]

No, bullshit. You had 5 hours. You still have 3 hours. Give real reads. I probably won't post reads until 2 hours in, but it's saturday so enough people will likely be on to lynch whoever anyway.

Even if your reads are too late, delaying the time you take to post reads even more is ridiculous.

You're making references today about how "once you've figured it all out you'll be a formidable town blahblahblah".

Bullshit. What incredible, full-scum-team finding developed reads will you have tomorrow that you can't state now? Will a couple flips revolutionize your perspective?

-vote Titus

I want reads. I will post my reads. You will post your reads.

Fair?

I agree with banana. Mesk isn't happening. SP should. SP says that the tunnel by mesk on banana is mechanical. That's scummy as shit. Those reads are terrible. The "if Titus is town" reads are an afterthought with no effort because sp cannot put effort in, just words. He's creating alternative realities to justify his reads.

I am at SP, GameFreak, and Gingerape as scumbuddies. SP is the tank, while the other two lurk it out to swing a wagon on town at deadline. I have varying degrees of townreads on everyone else.

Which means if SP is town, I must be wrong on a townread somewhere. I would likely reread the yb/darkness fight in more detail. Gun to my head if sp town, YB would be scum.

Darkness had an awesome d1
YB just feels town and I don't get why those two are fighting.
Eggy reminds me of ms egg and therefore town.
MiniZed bleeds town when he engages and ignores BC's catch 22.

Like my last post has my reads?

[MiniZed]

I'm obvtown to you so why do you care?
Get your vote off of Titus now.

Because I'm pretty sure your only lynch choices from today are miss Lynches.

I don't see why Titus is town.

[Titus]

No, bullshit. You had 5 hours. You still have 3 hours. Give real reads. I probably won't post reads until 2 hours in, but it's saturday so enough people will likely be on to lynch whoever anyway.

Even if your reads are too late, delaying the time you take to post reads even more is ridiculous.

You're making references today about how "once you've figured it all out you'll be a formidable town blahblahblah".

Bullshit. What incredible, full-scum-team finding developed reads will you have tomorrow that you can't state now? Will a couple flips revolutionize your perspective?

-vote Titus

I want reads. I will post my reads. You will post your reads.

Fair?

Because I'm pretty sure your only lynch choices from today are miss Lynches.

I don't see why Titus is town.

Maybe because I am here trying on VLA and a wagon on me has been baseless from the start to shade my contributions. You've engaged me and what results did you get?

[Titus]

Fuck tech errors

[Titus]

Ok, shit I saw deadline is in like 3 hours.

I am citizen.

[yzb25]

Ok, shit I saw deadline is in like 3 hours.

I am citizen.

You claim not aware of deadline? Meh, believable.

Anyway, I wasn't saying your reads were non-existent. I was saying they suck. You gave little reasoning despite painting yourself as a logic-freak in your debate with SP.

BC has elaborated to me - it seems when you said "little time" you were talking about vacation rather than day. I retract the hostility in my previous statements, but I'd sill like you to give deeper thoughts. I'm struggling to read you.

-unvote

[BananaCucho]

Looks like a no lynch. I'm not lynching Titus

[Titus]

Eggy, it is like 2 hours. It's 48 hour deadline.

[Titus]

No, bullshit. You had 5 hours. You still have 3 hours. Give real reads. I probably won't post reads until 2 hours in, but it's saturday so enough people will likely be on to lynch whoever anyway.

Even if your reads are too late, delaying the time you take to post reads even more is ridiculous.

You're making references today about how "once you've figured it all out you'll be a formidable town blahblahblah".

Bullshit. What incredible, full-scum-team finding developed reads will you have tomorrow that you can't state now? Will a couple flips revolutionize your perspective?

-vote Titus

I want reads. I will post my reads. You will post your reads.

Fair?

You claim not aware of deadline? Meh, believable.

Anyway, I wasn't saying your reads were non-existent. I was saying they suck. You gave little reasoning despite painting yourself as a logic-freak in your debate with SP.

BC has elaborated to me - it seems when you said "little time" you were talking about vacation rather than day. I retract the hostility in my previous statements, but I'd sill like you to give deeper thoughts. I'm struggling to read you.

-unvote

I have 30 mins until radio darkness, specific question...

[yzb25]

I have 30 mins until radio darkness, specific question...

You said you didn't wanna involve yourself in yzb vs Darkness because you wanted to sorta "let the tvt be forgotten".

However, it's possible to provide deeper commentary / thoughts from a placating position. i.e. "This is how I think Darknessb is town that misread, this is how I think yzb is town that misread".

People are struggling to trust you because you always seem to have a reason for why you can't provide deep thoughts on a player, apart from NU and SP.

[Titus]

You said you didn't wanna involve yourself in yzb vs Darkness because you wanted to sorta "let the tvt be forgotten".

However, it's possible to provide deeper commentary / thoughts from a placating position. i.e. "This is how I think Darknessb is town that misread, this is how I think yzb is town that misread".

People are struggling to trust you because you always seem to have a reason for why you can't provide deep thoughts on a player, apart from NU and SP.

I apologize for the lack of deeper thoughts to a limited extent if they are not perceived as such. Rather than having a chunk of time, I have been having 5-10 minutesish here and there. Articulated walls have been impossible unless there's a point in mind.

As for Darkness/YB, it appears to be a simple case of the man who disagrees is scum. If you two spoke about reads in detail and listened, that is the type of thing people tend to come around on if TvT. Interrupting that process just entrenches CONFBIAS deeper, interrupts my failsafe on if you are TvT and prevents sp from getting the attention to expose them as a fraud. I cannot psychically determine why you are wrong because I haven't seen any noteworthy coherent reason on why darkness is scum despite the volume. If you could sum up why darkness is scum simply, do so. Like bullet points.

Mine is simple for SP
They have shaded everyone here in the game or almost everyone
They make not attempts at town cohesion
They deflect when accused
Reactionary is townb not scummy
Pressure on slots to discredit is a thing

[yzb25]

I apologize for the lack of deeper thoughts to a limited extent if they are not perceived as such. Rather than having a chunk of time, I have been having 5-10 minutesish here and there. Articulated walls have been impossible unless there's a point in mind.

As for Darkness/YB, it appears to be a simple case of the man who disagrees is scum. If you two spoke about reads in detail and listened, that is the type of thing people tend to come around on if TvT. Interrupting that process just entrenches CONFBIAS deeper, interrupts my failsafe on if you are TvT and prevents sp from getting the attention to expose them as a fraud. I cannot psychically determine why you are wrong because I haven't seen any noteworthy coherent reason on why darkness is scum despite the volume. If you could sum up why darkness is scum simply, do so. Like bullet points.

Mine is simple for SP
They have shaded everyone here in the game or almost everyone
They make not attempts at town cohesion
They deflect when accused
Reactionary is townb not scummy
Pressure on slots to discredit is a thing

Well, I've only just finished eating. I'm so behind schedule. I guess I can just post thoughts on DB separately.

Don't townread DB for strong posts during first 24 hours of d1. It's easy to make good points at that time for a player like DB.

Don't townread DB for "playing to town meta". That's stupid when he's aware of his own meta and has skill to feign one meta or other. That's lazy, he's a better player than that.

All he's done today, mostly, is tunnel me. Not bad in and of itself - pressure vote / experiment vote can be productive. However, it should be followed up with a swift conclusion or what's the point? e.g.

"yzb has good explanations *lifts vote*" or
"yzb is scum, look at overreaction *transition to real vote*" or
"look at Eggy jumping on bandwagon. 2 ez *votes Eggy*"

To do this kind of post then leave is terrible. And remember, this pressure vote was planned / preempted, at least to some extent. Within less than ten mins of daystart he had setup reasoning and planted vote. No followup is dodgy.

He hasn't given any substantial thoughts on a broad range of players since d1start. Feel like he's cruising on back of initial good posts. His push on me reminds me of his scumplay in a game we played together long ago - "SFM Lady Death" where he used superior arguing to try and get me mislynched.

I accept this may be my bias due to "he scumreads me so he must be scum", and he may just be MIA recently.

[yzb25]

Well, I've only just finished eating. I'm so behind schedule. I guess I can just post thoughts on DB separately.

Don't townread DB for strong posts during first 24 hours of d1. It's easy to make good points at that time for a player like DB.

Don't townread DB for "playing to town meta". That's stupid when he's aware of his own meta and has skill to feign one meta or other. That's lazy, he's a better player than that.

All he's done today, mostly, is tunnel me. Not bad in and of itself - pressure vote / experiment vote can be productive. However, it should be followed up with a swift conclusion or what's the point? e.g.

"yzb has good explanations *lifts vote*" or
"yzb is scum, look at overreaction *transition to real vote*" or
"look at Eggy jumping on bandwagon. 2 ez *votes Eggy*"

To do this kind of post then leave is terrible. And remember, this pressure vote was planned / preempted, at least to some extent. Within less than ten mins of daystart he had setup reasoning and planted vote. No followup is dodgy.

He hasn't given any substantial thoughts on a broad range of players since d1start. Feel like he's cruising on back of initial good posts. His push on me reminds me of his scumplay in a game we played together long ago - "SFM Lady Death" where he used superior arguing to try and get me mislynched.

I accept this may be my bias due to "he scumreads me so he must be scum", and he may just be MIA recently.

His arguments against me also had loads of fallacies. Wallpost points that out. Makes me feel like he doesn't have real points. Makes me feel like he's aware but evil. Also used loads of falllacies in Lady Death. He wasn't so fallacious with NU, if I remember correctly, so NOT something he does indiscriminately. Saved for me, feels like.

[Titus]

Radio silence until EoD most likely

I promise to review your darkness case.

Can you meanwhile look at SP's ISO. Bold every sentence has has the word shade, lurking, lacks contribution, decries logic or anything similar. You should see your screen jump out into a sea of bold.