S-FM 210: Give or Take

[DarknessB]

She defends Titus for no reason (She didn't mention that she town-read Titus).

Her first post was about not lynching the 'vets' day 1 (Herself and Titus were two of the vets she named). She asked for a free D1 pass, I didn't like that. It's that scum survivability sense.

She doesn't try to contribute, preferring to reply with apathy to every single one of my posts. It's anti-town at best, scum at worst.

She scum-reads me and voted me though admitting she only read 20% of the posts prior to her interaction with yzb. She cannot support her vote with a case or an argument other than the fact that I voted Titus.

She softed scum. That's just the cherry on the cake.

Why would anyone soft claim scum? This setup doesn't have any mechanics which would make that beneficial. Banana might be lazy, but she's not stupid.

[MiniZed]

If Banana is scum sleuth, I want the town sleuth to CC her so that we can stick a Jailkeeper on her. There is no reason this plan sucks. (I think).

[MiniZed]

If Banana is scum sleuth, I want the town sleuth to CC her so that we can stick a Jailkeeper on her. There is no reason this plan sucks. (I think).

I meant to stick the Jailkeeper on the Counter claim. Hope this made sense for the most part.

[BananaCucho]

She defends Titus for no reason (She didn't mention that she town-read Titus).

Her first post was about not lynching the 'vets' day 1 (Herself and Titus were two of the vets she named). She asked for a free D1 pass, I didn't like that. It's that scum survivability sense.

She doesn't try to contribute, preferring to reply with apathy to every single one of my posts. It's anti-town at best, scum at worst.

She scum-reads me and voted me though admitting she only read 20% of the posts prior to her interaction with yzb. She cannot support her vote with a case or an argument other than the fact that I voted Titus.

She softed scum. That's just the cherry on the cake.

I'm shaking in my slippers.

[Never Unlucky]

What would stop the town sleuth from claiming?

He doesn't need to counterclaim to a scum slip. He has no reason to out himself as TPR.

Um, I didn't use VCA when I voted for you because I started your train in the first place. Everyone on your train has at least explained their suspicion to some extent. My scumread on you is partially based on scummy actions and partially based on meta. You keep characterizing it as a 100% meta read, which is inaccurate.

Wrong... read the post you just quoted in which I say,"he agreed with all your points even though at the time of his vote your main point was meta." I used 'main point' and 'at the time'. I'm not being inaccurate, I am not saying it'S 100% meta.

Opportunistically jumping onto the leading train without an reason given has nothing to do with meta -- that's just scummy behavior period.

And you're not questioning BC's vote on me that had no more reasoning, huh?

As is being more reactive and a low level of scumhunting / engaging players. The meta is the cherry on top, in terms of this being very different from your previous Townplay.

I replied to this.

[DarknessB]

If Banana is scum sleuth, I want the town sleuth to CC her so that we can stick a Jailkeeper on her. There is no reason this plan sucks. (I think).

This is a fucking terrible idea -- even in the best case, you're outing a TPR (the Town Sleuth CC), using up our Jailkeeper protection (in which case the scum won't attack the protected person), and then the Mafia will night kill someone else. Also means that the Town Sleuth is going to need constant protection after being outed. Absolutely not.

[MiniZed]

This is a fucking terrible idea -- even in the best case, you're outing a TPR (the Town Sleuth CC), using up our Jailkeeper protection (in which case the scum won't attack the protected person), and then the Mafia will night kill someone else. Also means that the Town Sleuth is going to need constant protection after being outed. Absolutely not.

But see, the thing is by even mentioning it it creates confusion and scum really wouldn't know whether they were being protected or not. I only suggested this because it's better then lynching a possible town sleuth then being safe and getting one Mafia off the bat.

[Mesk514]

the vigi should probably shoot Banana. do us all a favour please.

[DarknessB]

But see, the thing is by even mentioning it it creates confusion and scum really wouldn't know whether they were being protected or not. I only suggested this because it's better then lynching a possible town sleuth then being safe and getting one Mafia off the bat.

Sure, I'm fine with raising plans for WIFOM purposes, but that doesn't mean we should follow through on a dangerous / bad plan. Also, the only person really pushing for a Banana lynch today is NU and that's likely to save his own backside.

[Mesk514]

i don't believe Banana

-vote BananaCucho

[Never Unlucky]

There are a ton of possible explanations. WIFOM in terms of the Mafia night action, reaction test, misreading the setup, signaling to be protected (we have a Jailkeeper after all), etc. You immediately assume the worst case scenario which I find unlikely in terms of Banana being a very seasoned player. I.e. I don't see her making such a colossal fuck up personally.

Signaling to be protected -- If she's jailed, she cannot invest. The jailkeeper would take a risk by protecting her.

Very seasoned players can scum slip. It's not an argument.

Also, if Banana were Duck, she'd have claimed about 4 roles by this point in the game. And 4 is not an exaggeration -- read Mafia Wars 2.0 if you don't believe me.

I didn't say Banana was Duck. I said that people town-read her for s scumslip she's made just like Duck in game of spies. If she was Duck the leading train wouldn't be a town member.

NU, I don't care what her other actions look like right now because she is Obv town. I don't know how you don't understand this.

What this feels like is you trying to divert a train off of you.

Tell me how she's obvtown. She's doing things that DB is scum-reading me for (Not scum-hunting, no reason behind the vote, etc.) and she's being town-read? Where is the logic?

Of course you'd throw shade on me.

[Mesk514]

NONONONONONO

GET BANANANANANANANANANNANANANANANANAA
DO IT

I DONT BELIEVE HER
I DONT
I DONT

DO IT

[Titus]

I don't even get how people slip as scum... Is it that hard?

I slipped before as scum. Somehow didn't get turbolynched in lylo. Was epic.

[DarknessB]

Signaling to be protected -- If she's jailed, she cannot invest. The jailkeeper would take a risk by protecting her.

Very seasoned players can scum slip. It's not an argument.



I didn't say Banana was Duck. I said that people town-read her for s scumslip she's made just like Duck in game of spies. If she was Duck the leading train wouldn't be a town member.



Tell me how she's obvtown. She's doing things that DB is scum-reading me for (Not scum-hunting, no reason behind the vote, etc.) and she's being town-read? Where is the logic?

Of course you'd throw shade on me.

Dude, if she's the Backup Sleuth, she can't investigate right now either way. The jailing would be to keep her alive and preserve the chance of investigating later if the Mafia Sleuth dies. Actual scum slips are extremely rare period; actual scum slips by very experienced players are almost unheard of.

Duck didn't scumslip in Spies -- he was trying to soft claim Traitor so that the Mafia didn't kill him / were aware of his existence.

[Never Unlucky]

Why would anyone soft claim scum? This setup doesn't have any mechanics which would make that beneficial. Banana might be lazy, but she's not stupid.

I don't know? It's been done in the past (Duck in Game of Spies, Paladin in MW I) and it wasn't beneficial for them either. These two players I just named aren't stupid either, they still scumslipped. End of the story.

If Banana is scum sleuth, I want the town sleuth to CC her so that we can stick a Jailkeeper on her. There is no reason this plan sucks. (I think).

It sucks. You are rolefishing. The town sleuth isn't a town sleuth until the scum sleuth is lynched and doesn't not have to CC.

[Mesk514]

GET THE BANANA

[secondpassing]

Guys, all of a sudden I got really lazy right when I got to the computer and I don't really want to read. >...> Let's just chat!
I remember seeing some cool posts from my phone- I'll see if I can pick them out before I give up on reading.

[MiniZed]

I don't know? It's been done in the past (Duck in Game of Spies, Paladin in MW I) and it wasn't beneficial for them either. These two players I just named aren't stupid either, they still scumslipped. End of the story.



It sucks. You are rolefishing. The town sleuth isn't a town sleuth until the scum sleuth is lynched and doesn't not have to CC.

Given this is a completely different situation to the regular role fishing, it's not even remotely considered that way. I already said they could/ make people believe they are being protected so that scum doesn't target them, you are still trying to throw shade at everyone who disagrees with you.

[DarknessB]

I don't know? It's been done in the past (Duck in Game of Spies, Paladin in MW I) and it wasn't beneficial for them either. These two players I just named aren't stupid either, they still scumslipped. End of the story.



It sucks. You are rolefishing. The town sleuth isn't a town sleuth until the scum sleuth is lynched and doesn't not have to CC.

Duck soft claimed scum in Spies because the other Mafia members didn't know who he was -- that's not an accurate analogy. In Mafia Wars 1.0, Paladin just lost his marbles and somehow thought that citing the anonymous scum chat hypothetically would be ok -- he was an overexcited player who was prone to random actions so it made more sense in context. Duck isn't stupid, but he's prone to insane gambits and figured his best shot was to avoid being targeted by the Mafia. He's also capable of defending himself during day chat. Paladin is quite derpy in games -- not stupid, but very careless.

[Never Unlucky]

Sure, I'm fine with raising plans for WIFOM purposes, but that doesn't mean we should follow through on a dangerous / bad plan. Also, the only person really pushing for a Banana lynch today is NU and that's likely to save his own backside.

Funny how you reproach me of not pushing/scumhunting and when I do I get blamed of trying to save my ass, zzz.

But see, the thing is by even mentioning it it creates confusion and scum really wouldn't know whether they were being protected or not. I only suggested this because it's better then lynching a possible town sleuth then being safe and getting one Mafia off the bat.

If she's town sleuth, scum sleuth won't CC because she's on the edge of being lynched/vig'd. Your proposition is bad, and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

[DarknessB]

Guys, all of a sudden I got really lazy right when I got to the computer and I don't really want to read. >...> Let's just chat!
I remember seeing some cool posts from my phone- I'll see if I can pick them out before I give up on reading.

Sounds good -- thoughts on the alleged Banana soft claim and NU's reaction to it?

[DarknessB]

Funny how you reproach me of not pushing/scumhunting and when I do I get blamed of trying to save my ass, zzz.



If she's town sleuth, scum sleuth won't CC because she's on the edge of being lynched/vig'd. Your proposition is bad, and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

She has two votes right now -- you consider L-5 the edge of being lynched?

[MiniZed]

Funny how you reproach me of not pushing/scumhunting and when I do I get blamed of trying to save my ass, zzz.



If she's town sleuth, scum sleuth won't CC because she's on the edge of being lynched/vig'd. Your proposition is bad, and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

So, if she's town sleuth and nobody CC's then protecting her is the ideal plan. You are suggesting to lynch a possible Town sleuth. Are you brain dead?

[secondpassing]

Duck soft claimed scum in Spies because the other Mafia members didn't know who he was -- that's not an accurate analogy. In Mafia Wars 1.0, Paladin just lost his marbles and somehow thought that citing the anonymous scum chat hypothetically would be ok -- he was an overexcited player who was prone to random actions so it made more sense in context. Duck isn't stupid, but he's prone to insane gambits and figured his best shot was to avoid being targeted by the Mafia. He's also capable of defending himself during day chat. Paladin is quite derpy in games -- not stupid, but very careless.

I like ThePaladin, and he's pretty smart!

Spoiler : Paladin :

[secondpassing]

Sounds good -- thoughts on the alleged Banana soft claim and NU's reaction to it?

I kinda want to hop onto the train. More because I was wonder if we should be considering policy lynching her for not reading the thread, but I was wondering if that would be a good idea since she's kinda contributing now?

I mean, I don't get the whole MiniZed/BananaCucho interaction about tone switching. I feel like I should.

[DarknessB]

I like ThePaladin, and he's pretty smart!

Spoiler : Paladin :

This explains a lot about your playstyle...



To be fair, Paladin isn't so much stupid as he is impulsive and hyperactively scummy feeling. Let's stick to this game though.

[Never Unlucky]

She has two votes right now -- you consider L-5 the edge of being lynched?

I wasn't making reference to the vote count, yo. I was saying that her claim made her dead meat, so she is probably dead during night or during the day, and scum won't CC her claim if she's town because she'd get MLed in that case.

But I don't believe her. I think she's scum. I think she scumslipped. I think today should be the day of the rope for her.

[secondpassing]

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secondpassing, Never Unlucky

I'm always always wondering now, because it never feels like I am alone when it shows I am.
Do you all have invisible mode turned on?/are on phones?

[DarknessB]

I kinda want to hop onto the train. More because I was wonder if we should be considering policy lynching her for not reading the thread, but I was wondering if that would be a good idea since she's kinda contributing now?

I mean, I don't get the whole MiniZed/BananaCucho interaction about tone switching. I feel like I should.

Why would we policy lynch a soft TPR claim? Either you think she's scum or you don't, and at that point it's beyond a PL given she's posting. Speaking of policy lynches, where the heck did yzb go? He hasn't done much since his initial flurry in favor of them.

[secondpassing]

Why would we policy lynch a soft TPR claim? Either you think she's scum or you don't, and at that point it's beyond a PL given she's posting. Speaking of policy lynches, where the heck did yzb go? He hasn't done much since his initial flurry in favor of them.

I think the whole point was that she is saying she didn't soft a TPR claim?/made a play when she wasn't a TPR?/is a TPR but softed it anyway?
yzb went to sleep. He said in some post. I also think it is quite late for Britannia.

[secondpassing]

DarknessB have any of your reads experienced great change or much solidifying? (Did your town reads become scum reads? Which ones? Did some of your scum reads/town reads become stronger on some people?)

I only want to hear where they have changed.

[Mesk514]

Get BANANANANANNANANA

SHES NOT THE TOWN SLEUTH

I CAN FEEL IT IN MY SOUL

SOMEBODY LISTEN TO MEEEEEE

@Eggy

GEEEET THE BANANANANAAA

[Never Unlucky]

So, if she's town sleuth and nobody CC's then protecting her is the ideal plan. You are suggesting to lynch a possible Town sleuth. Are you brain dead?

She didn'T soft claim town sleuth. That's not a possibility. She said you would be 'peeked' tonight meaning she'd invest you. Town Sleuth cannot investigate until scum sleuth isn't dead, thus she isn't town sleuth.

Protecting her if she's town sleuth is stupid too because she cannot use her night action. You're essentially protecting a confirmed citizen and making a huge gamble on the WIFOM.

The one asking for a TPR to CC a slip is the brain dead one.

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secondpassing, Never Unlucky

I'm always always wondering now, because it never feels like I am alone when it shows I am.
Do you all have invisible mode turned on?/are on phones?

I'm curious to know what motivates people to use inivisible mode. It feels like they have something to hide.

[Never Unlucky]

Get BANANANANANNANANA

SHES NOT THE TOWN SLEUTH

I CAN FEEL IT IN MY SOUL

SOMEBODY LISTEN TO MEEEEEE

@Eggy

GEEEET THE BANANANANAAA

oh shit it's town Mesk confirmed

[DarknessB]

oh shit it's town Mesk confirmed

LOL, as soon as Mesk starts agreeing with you, she's Town Mesk, eh? That's not self-serving at all.

[DarknessB]

She didn'T soft claim town sleuth. That's not a possibility. She said you would be 'peeked' tonight meaning she'd invest you. Town Sleuth cannot investigate until scum sleuth isn't dead, thus she isn't town sleuth.

Protecting her if she's town sleuth is stupid too because she cannot use her night action. You're essentially protecting a confirmed citizen and making a huge gamble on the WIFOM.

The one asking for a TPR to CC a slip is the brain dead one.



I'm curious to know what motivates people to use inivisible mode. It feels like they have something to hide.

I'm pretty sure Banana is aware what color her role card is. Even in the worst case scenario, she misread the backup part of her role. More likely, it's some WIFOM ploy or a request for protection. Scum don't soft claim on Day 1, especially unprompted and especially seasoned players.

[Never Unlucky]

LOL, as soon as Mesk starts agreeing with you, she's Town Mesk, eh? That's not self-serving at all.

That mod-post she did right there is exactly how she played in AI. Spam in caps who she wants to see voted. She didn't do anything close to that in BN.

I'd quote some posts from AI to prove my point, but that thread was archived.

[Mesk514]

GUYS I WILL NEVER BEG FOR ANYTHING EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE


GET BANANANANAAA

[BananaCucho]

lol

[BananaCucho]

Mesk you didn't guess at my riddle

Mario bought the fish because they were cheep cheep

[Mesk514]

BANANANANANNANA WAS MY MENTOR

SHE IS SCUM

[secondpassing]

BANANANANANNANA WAS MY MENTOR

SHE IS SCUM

I kinda like this one.

[BananaCucho]

BANANANANANNANA WAS MY MENTOR

SHE IS SCUM

Naw

[Mesk514]

Naw

I KNOW ALL YOUR DEEPEST DARKEST SECRETS, WE'RE BESTIES, DON'T TELL ME YOURE NOT SCUM... I TAKE THAT AS A FUCKING INSULT


BANANANANANNAAA IS SCUM

[BananaCucho]

I KNOW ALL YOUR DEEPEST DARKEST SECRETS, WE'RE BESTIES, DON'T TELL ME YOURE NOT SCUM... I TAKE THAT AS A FUCKING INSULT


BANANANANANNAAA IS SCUM

I don't want to insult you I guess I'm scum

[MiniZed]

I don't want to insult you I guess I'm scum

I thought we were besties...

[Mesk514]

WHILE I DONT ENCOURAGE THE REAL INVEST TO OUT THEMSELVES, JUST FOLLOW ME ATLEAST

[Mesk514]

I don't want to insult you I guess I'm scum

SHE EVEN ADMITS IT

OMG
OMG
OMG


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

GET

BANANA

FUCKING

CUCHO

JESUS CHRIST

ALMIGHTY

PLEASURE ME, JUST THIS ONCE PLEASE

[Mesk514]

I CANNOT EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE MY FEELINGS, ALL I KNOW IS CAPS LOCK

[Gingerape]

I hate lynching first day.
I always feel bad for the guy~