S-FM 136: Sherlock Holmes

[louiswill]

Well actually I felt like if we don't lynch an MM, then we probably lose majority after night deaths. But everyone was so stubborn on lynching Orpz. So I hammered and hoped he'd turn out to be MM. Meh.

Otherwise Louis would've been lynched because I was willing to give Banshis another day to prove himself. And Fatalis was next on the list.

@Town MVP Fryspirit.(For good efforts and organization.)

I didn't really manipulate anyone whole game,
I just presented the best options to town,
and bet town won't listen to the correct one but listen to the wrong one.

I presented Fatalis, scum seat system, all good suggestions.
Then it goes to Orpz.

For that day,
lynch orpz was the best option for everyone.
Orpz's night action was critical and critically wrong.
In fact, if town wanted a lynch, it would be Orpz
because I made the case well and Orpz failed to defend himself.
He should have listend to me not lynch 42shadow24,
which made himself stand alone coroner.
Literally damaged his credibility
because he had no check and balance.

There are three times, I was on the edge of lynch.
first time I escaped because I betted slaol won't lynch me, and eventually fatalis got more votes than me.
second time I escaped because Some people thought I was jester.
third time I escaped because you guys had no majority.

Fatalis was always at the top lynch list, based on popularity.

I didn't kill him because I find Orpz being vulnerable.

But seriously, this setup for town is OP despite the graveyard is covered.

[louiswill]

No you killed some people. If Orpz had checked the Powerofdead instead of Shadow he would've revealed that PoD went to the same house that one of the Dets said you went to.

I'll get home around 7:30 est tonight and I'll post the full night actions then.

I wasn't notified about the killing, and there was almost only one kill each day.

So except night 1 I killed half of poor Nick,

I can't kill more than 3 persons. (Nopro doesn't count, that zombie suicide at his own house.)

But exactly, orpz was a mustkill one, at least for me.

It is also why his night action was a critical wrong one, I get a hand on it and never let go.

But why did I went to his house(Orpz won't be home obviously)?

The reason I went to his house is that I would be able to at least kill doctor if doctor was on him.

And If I can't win, I have made the game more fun for the other MM.

Pretty much.

For fun.

[ika]

^MM found lynch plox

-vote Fatalis

hey who remembers this? when i called out a MM?but then got entirly counter waggoned by orpz? good times

[Orpz]

Well cock. I completely abandoned post analysis for favor of using night actions in this game. Shit.

-vote Louiswill

And no, I'm pretty sure the setup was a lot harder for Town. When ika didn't flip a role, I didn't shit my pants cause I thought it was a host mistake. Then I read the setup. Then I read the Coroner rolecard (doesnt find role). Then I read the Amnesiac rolecard (cant be Town). Then I shit my pants.

Also, MM's didn't even need to survive to win.

[louiswill]

The correct suggestion for town that I made:

1. Slaol is not MM. (not listened and then listened)
2. Put fatalis at first priority. (not listened)
3. shadow24 isn't MM. (not listened)
4. Don't lynch Banshis until you have to. (Listened)
5. Confirm coroner by hide detective message. (not listened)
6. 4 detectives. (some listened, some didn't)

Wrong suggestion that I made
1. Fryerspirit's read list is completely wrong. (only half are wrong) (persuaded successfully)
2. Orpz is MM

Underlined ones are the critical for this game outcome.

I didn't really manipulate anyone.

It was all town's decision making.

[powerofdeath]

I consider Amnesiac as scum. I just couldnt believe Louiswill wasnt lynched day 2 and then town completely abandon the train... like wtf?

Ika and shadow getting lynched mean they made mistakes.

Slaol failing to get lynched mean he failed.

-vote Fatalis

This guy deserved it, he was my strong townread day 1 and 2.

[powerofdeath]

Also the set up heavily favors the scum. One mislynch and town lost instantly.

[louiswill]

Agreed Oprz, I also think this setup was OP for town.

I was gravely disappointed finding out there are 6 Tpr. (I was hoping for 3-4 Tpr only.)

I even prepared to reveal as MM and get lynched so that all Amnesiac alive can take that chance to become MM or Jester.

But at least it was also an advantage for me so town would also don't trust the outrageous town power setup.

[powerofdeath]

Agreed Oprz, I also think this setup was OP for town.

I was gravely disappointed finding out there are 6 Tpr. (I was hoping for 3-4 Tpr only.)

I even prepared to reveal as MM and get lynched so that all Amnesiac alive can take that chance to become MM or Jester.

But at least it was also an advantage for me so town would also don't trust the outrageous town power setup.

The set up was not op for town

[louiswill]

@Pod

Slaol would have a good chance to win if that stupid suicide was prevented.

Because unless Nopro was killed by Fatalis,

either Fatalis would lynch me with Nopro and slaol

or I would lynch slaol.

Otherwise I could suicide too.

[nopro]

Damn it louswill! You won't let me die in Peace? My alternative would've been to stay at home becuase I thought you would'nt visit me. Would've been same result.

[Orpz]

Agreed Oprz, I also think this setup was OP for town.

I was gravely disappointed finding out there are 6 Tpr. (I was hoping for 3-4 Tpr only.)

I even prepared to reveal as MM and get lynched so that all Amnesiac alive can take that chance to become MM or Jester.

But at least it was also an advantage for me so town would also don't trust the outrageous town power setup.

TPR's were pretty useless in this game. It'd have to be a lot of luck to actually catch a scum. 4 Detectives was just excessive and made people want to lynch between the detectives.

[louiswill]

The set up was not op for town

4 detective, 1 doct, 1 coroner,

Plus game flow,
KPN < 2
blind lynched a Amn day 1

Town didn't win really wasn't because scums are OP.

Almost no Amnesiac would become jester because they had the auto vest.

I predicted that trivia for you, no one listens neither.

[louiswill]

TPR's were pretty useless in this game. It'd have to be a lot of luck to actually catch a scum. 4 Detectives was just excessive and made people want to lynch between the detectives.

Every time detective find two people in a house,
the two people are not MM.

Then there are doc heal and coroner full house to back up that god damn 4 detectives.

Then,
With that encrypted system.
4 detective could have confirmed half people by day 2.

With Mass claim, town should have won easily if lead correctly.


Town relied too much on read when they have so many Tpr, not suppose to I'd say.

[powerofdeath]

4 detective, 1 doct, 1 coroner,

Plus game flow,
KPN < 2
blind lynched a Amn day 1

Town didn't win really wasn't because scums are OP.

Almost no Amnesiac would become jester because they had the auto vest.

I predicted that trivia for you, no one listens neither.

KPN 1-2 for scum
KPN 0-1 for town

KPN favors the scum.

Town PR - 7
Scum PR - 5

PRs favor the town, but you have to understand, they are really weak PRs.

Mislynches for town to win - 0
Mislynches for town to lose - 1

Town completely lost after one mislynch. We were lucky we got a good lynch day 1 with no leads. If we mislynched that day, we wouldve lost badly.

[powerofdeath]

Also all scums are immune to MM, which make scums even more OP.

[louiswill]

For my case,

because I knew I was very likely followed,

I literally can't just go visit good place to risk my life and slaughter people.

Neither did fatalis.

[louiswill]

Also all scums are immune to MM, which make scums even more OP.

Nick, died.

Nevertheless,

Shadow42 played riskly and died.

Slaol just showed off that his identity and bet you guys can't lynch him at right time.

And I haven't talked about ika yet.

That one auto vest is a mental barrier for Amnesiacs.

They want to play more riskly because they can't randomly die.

Eventually, it becomes town flavored.---they all randomly died.




Also MM can't win if dead.

Town players had advantages.

[louiswill]

You only need two correct lynches to make the game end, with mass claim and so many Tpr, it wasn't a hard task.

I suggested people don't lynch and just wait till everyone find two mm or time run out and they had to lynch.

But no,

every day, happy lynch.

[Orpz]

Nick, died.

Nevertheless,

Shadow42 played riskly and died.

Slaol just showed off that his identity and bet you guys can't lynch him at right time.

And I haven't talked about ika yet.

That one auto vest is a mental barrier for Amnesiacs.

They want to play more riskly because they can't randomly die.

Eventually, it becomes town flavored.---they all randomly died.




Also MM can't win if dead.

Town players had advantages.

Mass Murderers - Eliminate the town. Wins ties with everyone else.

Even if you died for revealing Crocodile style, Fatalis could have just killed someone and still win the game for both of you

[louiswill]

find 2 mm in 3 days/3nights.

lynch a mm, ignore amn(detective follow amn, doc back up

lynch the other mm, ignore amn(who didn't become mm)

if game is not ended, lynch amn.

that should have worked very smoothly.

[louiswill]

Mass Murderers - Eliminate the town. Wins ties with everyone else.

Even if you died for revealing Crocodile style, Fatalis could have just killed someone and still win the game for both of you

Fatalis wants me dead.

He is a classic scum trying to be town too much. -- the type I usually don't entrust with as scum partner.

But anyway,

I'm thinking if I don't need to survive,

I should have revealed as MM in early game and get hanged, so Amnesiac can become me.

But then

I have no idea what nick and ika were.

So the strategy was still a dead end, at least for this game.

[louiswill]

Damn it louswill! You won't let me die in Peace? My alternative would've been to stay at home becuase I thought you would'nt visit me. Would've been same result.

haha, well, I did not want you to die because I wanted to have more drama with slaol and you around.

Plus I really wanted to retaliate on Fatalis because he tried to get me killed day 2.

I thought you would keep alive and see if you can lynch me and make me lose(I thought I have to survive.)

Or at least take a scum with you, such as me, the arch-antagonist.

Or listen to my Utilitarian preaching and lynch slaol instead. (everyone alive wins but you, noble ending.)

Or phehaps, lynch Fatalis.


But why suicide!!

Brazil 1-7 but they were not on their knee 90 minutes.

[powerofdeath]

haha, well, I did not want you to die because I wanted to have more drama with slaol and you around.

Plus I really wanted to retaliate on Fatalis because he tried to get me killed day 2.

I thought you would keep alive and see if you can lynch me and make me lose(I thought I have to survive.)

Or at least take a scum with you, such as me, the arch-antagonist.

Or listen to my Utilitarian preaching and lynch slaol instead. (everyone alive wins but you, noble ending.)

Or phehaps, lynch Fatalis.


But why suicide!!

Brazil 1-7 but they were not on their knee 90 minutes.

You won and you still think Town are OP.

If we didnt lynch Ika day 1, he couldve become a MM eventually and gave us a harder time. Also we couldve have 4 MM on day 2 which increases the KPN to like 4

[SpiritFryer]

You won and you still think Town are OP.

If we didnt lynch Ika day 1, he couldve become a MM eventually and gave us a harder time. Also we couldve have 4 MM on day 2 which increases the KPN to like 4

I am surprised no Amnesiacs visited Ika N1.

Slaol obviously WANTED to play as Jester, because he visited a confirmed town - Nick. Or did you get Jesterlicious later on, but started the act as Amnesiac?

[louiswill]

You won and you still think Town are OP.

If we didnt lynch Ika day 1, he couldve become a MM eventually and gave us a harder time. Also we couldve have 4 MM on day 2 which increases the KPN to like 4

Well. It was a good lynch, but I persuaded everyone that ika is a town.

Shadow24 had the same case, which Orpz doubted and had to spend a night to check him.

"Sometimes good opportunity becomes good traps too.", that's from my father.

But those are not necessarily bad events.

Aftermath is often more important.

But then again, ika would play riskly, judging from his performance.

Town would still soon realize that he is amn.

Then the game will be again: Lynch or not Lynch, those amnesiac.

We can rematch and see how would it turns out.

But I'd say 4 tpr would be good enough for town to win.

[louiswill]

I am surprised no Amnesiacs visited Ika N1.

Slaol obviously WANTED to play as Jester, because he visited a confirmed town - Nick. Or did you get Jesterlicious later on, but started the act as Amnesiac?

My logic is this, as amneisac

I would have a vest.

So I won't become anything unless forseeable that I'm going on the train.

Otherwise become MM is much better.

So I would act scumly at day time to test town's attitute and then decide what to do.

However, as Amnesiac, I need to lynch a confirmed MM first so I can become MM.

So unless I lose that vest,

I don't want to become anything. --- especially for ika's case, who knows what he is.

Except Slaol, triple inception, got me again.

I thought he become jester really early.

In fact, Slaol was probably aimed for the last laugh.

1 town vs 1 mm vs 1 jester slaol

And slaol would be the one everyone worship- the decision maker, hmm.

[SpiritFryer]

Well. It was a good lynch, but I persuaded everyone that ika is a town.

Shadow24 had the same case, which Orpz doubted and had to spend a night to check him.

"Sometimes good opportunity becomes good traps too.", that's from my father.

But those are not necessarily bad events.

Aftermath is often more important.

But then again, ika would play riskly, judging from his performance.

Town would still soon realize that he is amn.

Then the game will be again: Lynch or not Lynch, those amnesiac.

We can rematch and see how would it turns out.

But I'd say 4 tpr would be good enough for town to win.

4 TPR? 2 Det, 1 Coro, 1 Doc.

This becomes a game of RNG. It could even happen that 4 townies die N1, or even more. This game we were very lucky. Both with Detectives confirming each other and with evading deaths for the first few nights.

Whereas with all but one townie being TPR, RNG power gets reduced.

And as PoD said, they are weak TPRs.

-vote Louiswill

He is MM, lynch pls.

[louiswill]

They are weak, but they would do the job.

After all it was Citizen Vs Jester...oh advertize my own sfm now!! Muhahaha.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...452#post453452

This is the setup for what would happen in a town without Sherlock.

[ika]

-vote mvp nobody

the fact i called fatalis off day 1 and then got bs counterwagoned is patheitc. its besides the point that i was ames, the fact is eliminating mms first is more threatening then ames at begining. yes we could all turn mms but then again

slaol wanted jester and then lurked
louis is replacement so i void those
i caught fatalis day 1
shadow did an obvious gambit
orpz was obvious town
everyone else was inactive or dont remember off hand

i mean really this game is ballenced in the sense that this game can go either way in a single night

[Fatalis]

gg everyone

[Slaolamander]

I would vote ika and slaol MVP, their day 1 combo served a great taste for the game.
Though everyone thought ika was scum,
Slaol lynched ika early so that it is easy to say that ika didn't have the chance to claim any role for that sudden hammer.

And his death and slaol's hammer, locked all town people on that scum flavored train which planted further doubts among town people.
Utterly destroyed the trust bonds, despite it was a good lynch.

Slaol effectively made the game in the paranoid direction during his very few up floating.
---every time slaol vote, there are dramas.

I would vote both slaol and ika, if possible.

I accept

[nopro]

For what is the voting after the round?

[SpiritFryer]

For what is the voting after the round?

For MVP (Most Valued Player). You can vote who you think was MVP this game.


Can there be multiple MVPs (one for each faction)?

If yes, do they all get +1 in the S-FM ladder?

If not, then is MVP given to the person who most benefited their faction? (I know that players' votes override host decision.)