Why is all the boom gone?
We need more boom!!
This elephant wagon has no sparks to it.
-vote Whad
~Junkrat
Why is all the boom gone?
We need more boom!!
This elephant wagon has no sparks to it.
-vote Whad
~Junkrat
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Sorry to ask you this @Empathy17 why are you not interacting with me at all?
I feel ignored by you guys, and I have no read on you either and you posted quite a bit.
Can I interest in you some cake and thoughts on reads?
I don't like your vote on Elephant-san
~Mei
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Partner, there is a lot to process here.
What does my RP have to do with anything? I don't know why you be barkin up that cow poke. I thought there initial push on me for RP was NAI. I kind of liked your intro to the game and your vote on me but also thought it was NAI for most part, you gave off a "no fucks given" kind of mind set partner.
You will have to go more into this whole "YZB and Firebringer" being tied together, I can't follow this at all and ive wrestled with buffalo which was easier than processing that logic.
~Mccree
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
God, so many things happened while I was sleeping.
(Is Banana a Guy?)
Thank you Anonymous Donor
Finally read to this page.....the amount of debate is so damn high....while i was sleeping v(O.o(v
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Oh wait, nobody care about me....v)o.o)v......Yuki is sad that Yuki is forgotten......
God damn it....I'm come here to read and do nothing?
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No, I think you've misunderstood. He's saying I'm scum and my long-post on Whad was a biased defense of him (because Whad is on my scumteam).
He's saying mine and Whad's interactions with FB kind-of represent a scumteam poking the other scumteam, and that FB's ISO on me is him kind-of acknowledging me as a scum defending my scummate Whad, and "subtly embracing it".
In short, I'm a scum defending my scummate Whad, while FB is on the other scumteam and is extending a hand of alliance.
I agree it was a very unfocused response and had a lot of things going on at once.
See this? Mattzed only made it so that FBI agent can recruit a mole on N0 a few days ago. In other words, anyone who read the setup before the 30th of November or knows this game from playing versions 1 or 2 can easily make a mistake here. That's why Mattzed posted this at the start:Originally Posted by Mattzed
So, with this as a backdrop, let's go back and reassess this Elephant slip. We have two different possibilities:
1) The player who posted about the "3 scums" in the Elephant account missed the abrupt change to how FBI agent works, and presumed d1 starts with only 3 scums.
2) The player who posted about the "3 scums" in the Elephant account is an FBI agent, tried and failed to convert a target (and thus knows for certain there are only 3 scums) and then accidentally told us he failed to convert when he told us there's only 3 scums, magically somehow forgetting only he as FBI agent would know there's only 3 scums.
This would have required the player to be a complete retard.
Yes, naturally it only makes sense to believe option 2 over option 1.
Also, look, they slipped non-FBI agent too:
They clearly demonstrated here that they forgot FBI agent also can't convert GF or consig. Unless you believe this was acting, they clearly just slipped that they haven't read the FBI agent card properly, and are thus probably not FBI agent.
See how flimsy this slip-bullshit logic is? The logic can be flipped with hardly any effort. Vote people for actual scumreads, dipshits =P
Some other comments:
-The response by Unknown on the Elephant Archon sucked, but this is kind of understandable. There is no real response you can give if someone accuses your archon partner of slipping and you have no idea what was going through their head. Anyway, they need to communicate more.
-The accusations of DWs for tunneling, less than 12 hours into the train are unwarranted. He hasn't tunneled... yet...
Yeah, BC's a dude @Gyrlander . I'm sorry you had to find out like this.
hmm RLVG solves the game in their mind so fast too often so fast normally? Using pre-flip association is highly refuted tactic back in MS - and its to lame to even be considered scummy tbh.
I agree anyone who is voting elephant for slipping needs to reconsider. missing the numbers given the circumstances is not that hard to believe. now, putting that aside - what do you think about my vote yzb?
You mean this?:
That was Unknown btw. I don't think that kind of arrogant response is unlike him as town tbh XD. If you take the slip too seriously and deconstruct it like you seem to suggest, people misread you for "being a scum scared of a silly, weak scumread". If Unknown made that wallpost I did, he'd probably have more votes on him by now.
I definitely don't have Elephant pegged as a townread, but I definitely don't scumread them for their response to pressure either. That sort of appeal-y "come on we wouldn't do that" is what I'd expect from most people, regardless of alignment.
Anyway, Ima respond to the Whad thing soon. I just saw the slip-reads and felt the need to speak out lol.
Btw, RLVG plays with wild theories all the time. It's his personality. You shouldn't really see it as a scum reaching or a town coming up with wackjob ideas out of ignorance.
I guess you've gotta try and weigh up what seems more plausible. It just seems more plausible to read what he's done and said from the perspective of a town who believes his style is helping.
He seemed to sincerely believe FB had been mistaken about the day-chat - which was why he had that condescending tone / he had that "lol you're a twat for thinking that"-tone to his message. If he really was using that day-chat thing as an excuse to move vote, he'd have to have imagined vividly if he took his own read seriously, then imagine the contempt he would have for FB if the read was serious. That would be very impressive.
His opinion that "everyone should be serious to a degree" is very internally consistent and fits his personality. He's clearly not faking that opinion, in my eyes, meaning that, if he's scum, he thinks he's deliberately sacrificing the scum's interests for now to try and get townreads. He's sacrificed the ability to make an opportunistic push on FB because of his play, if he is scum, and he doesn't even seem aware of that.
Anyway, I agree that the theory on you being a mole was pretty out there, but it was just a theory, not an accusation.
Guys, you should forget about the """""scum-slip"""". Imagine that he said 4 scum instead of 3. You probably would be saying that he knows that the recruit was succesful. You're just seeing things where there aren't.
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I don't see a world full of butterflies most of times tbh, paranoia - or apealing like I have paranoia in games to make duscussions and do what I do - is my thing mainly.
I don't see your point about why seeing that as town perspective is more plausible. what about him beleiving FB misread the day chat thing was sinscire to drop the first clue he got - without even questioning me - who was a part of that conspirasy theory. what about his "everyone should be sirious to a degree" felt consistant? I'm still not sure what he found not sirious about FB , as he was obviously talking about the game - even when he was role playing so hard - so what about his push on early trolling was sinscire and how is that sinscierness makes him likly town - as scum can troll hunt as well I persume -
and what about his theory was pretty out there? and what are the differences between a theory and accusation?
The other two are too busy so they aren't even posting right now.
Can we please get off the topic of what gender everyone is? it really shouldn't matter at this point... PTBs gay and i'd still fuck the shit out of him with my penis 0.0
-mesk
First off topic should be on tooic*
I meant you said yes even if I was scum I won't slip
the fact you don't beleive you slipped - and I really don't count such a thing slip is irreverent.
your reaction to DW's push was like a scum who was cought for bad reaons. what about GET gave you the same feeling?
yzb , if your going to meta someone - please give me at lest one example of similar behavior. I played with most of you but in proxy accs so I have no idea who is - was who and I have no idea about most of you guys play so meta won't be a valid wayout here unless you guide me throw it,
thx
I don't think you took what I meant to say correctly. If you look at all the games I've played, I scum-slip as Town only and haven't slipped as scum. It's because of how careful I am when I play scum opposed to town. So what I meant to say was I rarely slip as scum, but more as Town.
I didn't slip because I am Town (or gambino idk how it's being referred to) so me slipping as an FBI Agent makes no sense. I make these errors a lot which makes me frustrated.
I don't know I would react differently. Deathworlds clearly stated this: "I don't assume you slipped, you DID slip" so clearly you don't expect me to be positive over an annoying player that thinks he's a god and caught an 100% scum. So sure, that could be an answer, but if you don't consider Town perspective then it's biased. That being said, GET is scummier because they skipped reasoning in their votes, and if they are Town BC had accused them of slipping so they would as well be in the same. Position as us if they are Town and didn't even consider that. They've also been in games with me where I've scum-slipped as Town and very few people really considered that.
It's more annoying because I'm not scum and am being accused of scum-slipping.
@Firebringer
Don't apologize. I want to be questioned and interacted with. Sorry if you thought we were ignoring you. Why don't you like the Elephant vote? Ignore the slip part. What about the reasons I gave in my post? Do you think they are town or just don't like the reasons? Can you elaborate on your Whad read? I am going to reread Whad later but I kind of got a mixed vibe there.
~SW
My concern is that your first post wasn't about why he is wrong - why that thing as annoying or why is that accusation wrong or redicolous. I didn't like the way you sued self meta as your first repsonse to such a thing. it reeks of sudden frustration. I just like to know why you self meta's instead of talking about the accustion or the accuser if you found them annoying.
I know how annoying it can be to being accused of scum - but what did you mistke when you made first post (said 3 starting scum) and why you didn't clarify that at start.
and sorry i don't know you two meta here, I'm just what I think is generally valid - if something is not accurate about you - may I have some links to some previous similar situations?
OK, I wanted to respond to some of your points but I suck at quoting like you did so this is what we get. They are underwhelming because they are mostly making short posts that don't say much, being defensive regarding our vote on them, not really doing much in the way of trying to read/respond to the people voting for them, and just kind of being annoyed at being suspected. It's just kind of careful and controlled. Town reading someone for saying it's not a slip is just blah. I mostly wanted to get all 3 heads posting because at least with unknown and cryptonic, I know what they are capable of.
~SW
OK, about the slip. I really don't give a damn about it. You'll notice I didn't comment on it in any of my posts. I honestly don't believe there are very many genuine scum-slips. I think there was one obvious one I saw in a game where a scum copied a post and put it into the main thread instead of the scum PT and was obviously caught. There was a hilarious one once where a scum said it was his first scum game. More often than not, town will slip up in their language with so-called slips and I ignore those. I was in a game where two town's argued for 5 pages because one of them said "if I flip town" instead of "when I flip town" I was called scum once as town for not referring to the scumteam as they. I don't mind deathworlds saying they slipped. I don't find it scummy. More that likely he's town for it. I just don't see the need to clog up the game with pages and pages on it. ika commented on it sure but he thinks differently than I do, we are two different people and while we always discuss reads/votes, we don't run everything by each other before posting.
~SW
Eh, that's not true. I said page 20 or something early like that in that game that I would gladly lynch you even if I town read you...because I always inherently scum lean you, and i work against my bias all game. I never trusted you that game fully, and I was very quick to hammer you.
Also, I will discredit him all that I would like. Stop defending him.
I hate wall posts, so if you want me to respond ask me to or make it smaller.
I don't really care, You shouldn't have to use meta to read us entirely in the first place, and now that you know I'm the only person talking I don't care enough to sign at this point.
Nobody ever said they were "strong points" but I'm still allowed to give a early town-read to someone early game. That's not even a good point to argue.
I don't see why you think we haven't done anything. Even if they aren't long ass wall posts like yourself doesn't mean that we aren't contributing to the game. I'm still giving my thoughts.
Nah, my tone presented is perfectly normal to how I always talk. Your vote was really bad and your following. Argument was "my case is obvious" when nobody knew what you were presenting. You basically steeped DW then added a bit later when it came down to it.
The rest of this isn't even addressed to me.
No, me and banana have both been posting.
I'll get to it tonight now that yesterday's drama is over.