I'm contradicting myself as a Jester.
I'm contradicting myself as a Jester.
Guys, I ask for more opinion and less lurking. I see that this page has been viewed more than 40 times since my last post, yet no comments?
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Discussion:
Should we all agree to public role claim + lynch on Day1?
We still have time for that. It will give us PLENTY of information to work with on D2.
I am, personally, against that idea. But it is definitely a viable strategy we could go for!
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Why I ask discussing this topic? Because I feel like it is the ONLY decision we could still make on D1. If not - then there is nothing but speculations for us to discuss on D1 anymore. So, unless 2-3 people want to go through with that idea, see you all in 48 hours.
Cheers.
Agreed about the strategy.
However, a silencer is VERY easy to counter since the BM'd CAN say "I am blackmailed." and vote/unvote people. The only bad thing is that someone could lie about being BM'd.
Judge is blind voting, so you can't "vote innocent". The best thing to do is to agree on a guy to lynch the next day in case of court, so we already have the debate done and just lynch a suspect instead of letting scums control votes.
Conclusion: No lynch D1, agree on someone to lynch next day if court happens, and if blackmailed indicate it.
What the hell? How do you think Vanilla FMs, such as Black Flag Nightless, are played? I already explained with an example why mass rolecalling was a bad idea. Did you even read it? You're going down and down in my scum reads atm please read everything and provide your thoughts on a strategy by reading the setup. Comment the no-lynch D1 stance most of us have (I think) and give your own stance. Stop asking everyone to say their roles, it's dumb.
"I don't take advice from people less successful than me"
~Kanye West
I legit did that ^^ but it's not a vote with intent to lynch. It's a pressure vote. Don't worry, it's a very common thing in FM, and you must not go mad if you get pressure voted. It's just to gain information from a specific player, usually because they are silent/suspicious.
My shitty D1 predictions
Soviet will somehow turn out to be scum
The new players will carry town
Blink will claim doc and then flip arso.
thats it for now on the shitty D1 predictions(note all of these are memes and if they all do happen praise me as your god :P)
"I don't take advice from people less successful than me"
~Kanye West
A thing being common doesn't make it right.
Right now your pressure voted target can delay his response just a little bit longer so you, the voter, look more suspicious. And honestly, every minute any vote stays on - the voter looks more and more suspicious to me. Just do me a favor and cancel your vote, will you? It makes me nervous af about you.
False. The most important roles (Veteran, Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Jailor, unrevealed Government) will not reveal unless special circumstances/retardness. Will search for that post. May I suggest you all to go in Settings and find the option to make pages 50 posts long instead of 20 posts long? It makes the reading easier, and helps to find posts.
Alright. @Marshmallow Marshall convinced me that D1 mass role claims is bad idea.
With less TPRs on D2 - it would all come down to some citizens trying to find the evils, who also claim citizens, just by their speaking patterns. That's a losing strategy.
So yeah. See you all in 48 hours. Because D1 lynch is a no-no too.
-vote unvote
Since blink has let us discuss alone pretty much, now we have come to the conclusion that we must not lynch nor rolecall D1,-unvote
However, I'll keep an eye on you.
I also love how every game im actually town im the first suspect
@Marshmallow Marshall You are right, ofc. Since talking and discussing things is all we can do - we should do it as much as possible and milk the best out of it. However, I don't see much to discuss.
@Noz_Bugz You have the least amount of posts and you have said almost nothing in them. It's only prediction and confirmations/agreements of what others have said. Everything about you screams EVIL to me.
You have said even less than @blinkskater . And that's mighty impressive I have to say, since the only thing he has ever said is the suggestion of mass public role claim D1. It's a bad idea and I would expect better from an experienced player like him, but he had the balls to suggest something he thought was good.
Me and @Soviet_Love have very few posts too, yet we have said the most while also being the 2 newest guys here in this game, which is frustrating a bit tbh.
This is probably not a smart idea by me, but I will put it out there:
@Distorted and @Magoroth , I don't trust you guys a single bit.
Distorted, you should be the most experienced player here. Yet going through your posts and thinking "Is he a good guy? Is he trying to help town winning? Or just posting enough to stay over water?" - well, the answer to that question should be mighty obvious.
Magoroth, I know how you play SC2Maf. You are always the most impactful player, you always take charge and lead town to victory. I consider you the best player I know. Others might be more experienced but you are definetly the most impactful town-player in a positive way. And yet here? Only reason I don't claim that you have said even less than Noz_Bugz is because of your post count.
Having said all that. I realize that there might be ideas like: TPRs remaining silent to not get attention, for example. But I do not believe in that. If you townie - you help town unconditionally.
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I want everyone to post their top 3 suspects before the day ends!
Why should you? Why should you not is the better question!
Lol top 3 suspects based off of what? Your post comes off as very talented but what you all fail to realize is that day 1 based off chat any hunches you have on who was bad and it was good throw it out the window okay
Maybe I have nothing to say. I'd like to keep my posts relevant to the discussion and I will not post unless I have something to contribute. More pointless posting would just confuse people most likely
"I don't take advice from people less successful than me"
~Kanye West
@Marshmallow Marshall Claims the opposite to be true. You are both experienced yet disagree on something so... basic? How did that come about? Because I doubt that one of you is lying.
He's better than you, and it's his first game. Watch & learn? @OzyWho This shall be done after my Heroes of the Storm game.
I was your highest town read last game and I was far from town lol
And every game you scum read me im town so use yah brain here kid
Fire? Check.
Movie? Check.
BIFOM? (Beer in front of me) Check.
going to catch up now.
Potential pushing to start a lynch train? He already claimed and seems that was a hard push there - only thinking that because your experience is with the mod, and that is exactly how you get someone lynched in the mod.
Not in favor but you pushed for it, with a vote as well.... rather than disputing it you asked him to claim (which he already did to an extent)
Welcome back.
He has contributed a lot to the conversations - he opened up the whole discussion on role claims to begin with, which has made up about a 3rd, if not more of the total chat so far. This seems like a post to discredit, especially with the previous hard push. It looks like you are attempting to paint blink as a scum, setting up a later lynch.
I am re quoting this just so it is read again. (Hammer vote is the last vote that leads to the lynch of someone)
I went back and checked his earlier posts, he has used "we" as the reference the whole game, so I don't see it as a slip; but the wording caught me when i first read it to lol, just bad placement =P
That kind of sounds like you want recognition for sounding "town", almost fishing for a positive indication that you are being town viewed. But as of now I still view you as town, but you are playing much more aggressively than last game, which you were town aligned. Maybe you just have more time though since last game you were pretty on and off.
And throwing in unexpected accusations at wording is actually a positive thing, it can lead to slip ups in wording and contradictions, which is all we have to work with really on a no lynch day 1.
Just tossing this in there for possible buddying incase i refer back to this post later - not thinking anything too much of it now.
I think it would be harder to come up with a weird and confusing answer to that...lol try and think of 1 yourself =P
This is a make it or break-it strategy here, almost like a go for broke thing. Yes, we have the potential for a huge amount of information day 1, but unfortunately with so few people and so little room for mistakes, and only 2 TPR roles, if 1 of them is a sheriff, and there is no protect....well that really screws us - in a case like that i would really HOPE the sheriff would lie about his role and claim citizen so he can see day 2 and confirm a town. Not much wiggle room in this setup.
no. just no to that highlighted red part. Voting is INCREDIBLY valueble. Let's say that blink got to L-1 and all of a sudden Soviet stood up for him pushing hard that he does not think blink is scum - that right there gives investigatives a possible "team" to go for. On the contrary, if everyone here understands "hammer" voting - everyone has responded and respected the no lynch part of day 1 - so if some1 hammers then we have a solid person to invest and lynch the next day. in FM games that have 14-15 people, it is not uncommon to still only have 1-3 TPR roles, so voting becomes very very important, as well as voting patterns - who stands up for who ect.
A vote without an intent to lynch (pressure vote) is a day time invest role in itself.
Possibly feeling like you revealed too much info and outted something? so posted this as a "humorous cover". I didn't really find your posts contradictory, but rather stating strategies. Odd you were nervous about them. And it is also curious why you are not concerned or questioning Magoroth about him having his vote on blink as well? Just blink? Almost sounds like 2 people are painting blink as scum right now for a potential future/first lynch.
.................................................. ..moving on.
This is the purpose of pressure voting.. why is a vote on blink making you nervous? And it is also curious why you are not concerned or questioning Magoroth about him having his vote on blink as well? Just blink? Almost sounds like 2 people are painting blink as scum right now for a potential future/first lynch.
I wasnt the only 1 who noticed it then.
Once Ozy states he is convinced D1 lynch is a bad idea, this flies off blink without reasoning? what happened?
This is my 4th Forum Mafia game =P and blinks 5th. so no, we are not too experienced here yet. MM is the experienced one, so take his advice and listen to the tips he gives.
fking MVP last game - killed it, literally! lol
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Ok - so what I think the best strategy would be is to no-lynch today. It seems pressure voting is being met with resistance AND it has been completely outted that all votes are pretty much meaningless today, making pressure voting worthless anyways since the pressure from the vote is gone......
* If there is 2 kills tomorrow - we role claim because we are fked and going for broke at that point; pretty much RIP.
* If there is 0 kills tomorrow - we role claim because that would either force the possible arson to start burning or give a clear indication that they do not have control of their kills (such as MM) meaning the TPRs can just not announce who they are visiting and keep safe.
*If there is 1 kill - we work with what the flip is, and continue from there.
In all 3 scenarios though I see lynching on day 2 to be necessary (unless there is 2 jailor claims ect + other TPR claims so jailors can jail eachother n such to prove)
-I am putting Magoroth as my highest scum-read right now just because of the blue messages highlighted in my previous post. It really looks like he is painting blink as a scum, especially saying he has not contributed.
-MM I am still slighlty back and fourth on reading through
-Ozy I am back and fourth on. I know he is a Magoroth follower, but it seems he put some effort into painting blink as a scum as well (almost seems like they "teamed up" on him to set something up for tomorrow).
-Blink I have as a town lean because MM thinks he is a scum lean.
-Noz_bugz I have as a town lean because he wasn't pressured into putting up random shit posts or try to change how he was acting when put under pressure.
-Still trying to get a feel for Soviet.
Also, your large post there was highly informative/relevant and in my opinion spot on everything you said was backed up with logical facts i now trust you above anyone else