S-FM The Werewolf Ball [Game Thread]

[Burger King]

I was roleblocked last night.




I'm waiting for Burger King to show up, I was going to go right after him again but with Chik-fil-As flip and lw, I have more questions than answers at the moment.

Current reads:
KFC
1- witch didn't target him again night 2, so whatever he is, the witch had no interest. So not a killing role, not the roleblocker and not the witch himself (unless the witches real target was killed n1 and he just claimed the feedback but I'm leaning no.)
2- he didn't expose Starbucks role or feedback and was townreading Starbucks enough for me to know whatever Starbucks was, was not a regular scum role.
3- although he was on the chip lynch at the end, he also had his vote on BK while for long enough that BK was almost lynched. He wasn't hard against lynching BK as some others were, now, yes BK is most likely blue now that blue is a confirmed faction but a town wouldn't see it that way at the time.

McD:
After much consideration, my hidden theory of McD, Chick and BK being on the same team had to be eliminated. I thought he may have been in a scum architect chat who his faction kill was either pizzahut or Papa - and that they got the town win condition from that chat. His slip of the win con seemed out of place at the time and almost planted so that we would all town confirm him for doing it. After thinking about it more, I do think that pizzahut or Papa would have said something about the night chat in their last wills (Although I was considering Pizzahuts last will to be rather full compared to the amount of posts he had day1 and thought it was could have been conclusions that was mutually reached in the night chat, after reviewing pizzahuts posts again, yes I agree this was an analytical player that was killed). That and the fact that he was roleblocked n1 and not just claiming it as I can now confirm that there is a roleblocker running around, which I still suspect may be a blue.

Subway:
Mostly voting analytics make me town lean on subway. And her role is quite obvious and it doesn't scream scum. Can't say I like her reads though, she is too trusting on certain players and jumped way too fast to 100% trusting McD and Chick-fil-A without thinking it through. Relies way too much on RP to scumhunt in my opinion. Yes, I do think the RPs do mention other peoples names but so far I haven't seen it be alignment indicative. My first name is from StarWars btw. The food poisoning tip from Wendy just makes it too obvious that Popeyes/Starbucks were involved and I think it was red herring that scum can easily use to push on a RP scumhunt instead of people focusing on regular mafia scumhunting. Could be neutral though.


Concerning the blue faction...
So what do we actually know about the blues. Chick trusted BK yesterday because of the win condition claim. Chick's n1 last will (if it was not changed with info from day 2) mentions BK but not Arbys. Chick indicated that they each seemed to have different missions and from what I can tell, may not know if they shared the same win condition.
The wording of Chicks win condition strikes me as strange being the majority of town. Need to know what "town" refers to, if its the green faction, then why include the word "majority"? Can some green players loose even if town wins? This might shed light onto someone I'm literally ignoring now.

So, in my opinion, BK has the same win con as Chick... Arbys win con is still unknown.
@Burger King I'm sure you can shed more light into this blue faction of yours.
Is your night chat anonymous? Did you know all the members of the blue team n0/n1?
Do you think Arbys win con may be different from your own?
Aside from your voted action, can you confirm that you and Arbys have no other action that you can take the same night?
If the above is you can take another action, is one of blues action to roleblock?
How well do you trust Arbys?

Until BK gets back to me, I want to look more into Popeyes and Dairy Queen:

Wendys (9 [L-0]): Starbucks, Subway, Taco Bell (Performer), Dairy Queen, KFC, Popeyes, Chick-fil-A, McDonalds, Arbys
Chipotle (7 [L-0]): Dairy Queen, Chick-fil-A, Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, Popeyes, Arbys

Orange names are those who were on both trains, I've already addressed what I think about KFC and McD, waiting on BK for more info on Arbys.
While Popeyes was voted up early d2, I can't say there was much pressure on him. Most of the "pressure" was RP oriented with the food or the fact that he started the wendys train that went nuclear turbo. Nothing he has done has made me town read him...... hang on, will post this for now - I see BK has posted a bunch since I started writting this post. Continued later - was at 2062 when starting to write this

"Waiting for BK to show up"? Bruh. I've been here for a while now. I like the analysis, my one issue with it is that KFC has been sketching me out today with trying to paint me as a consort. It's come seemingly out of nowhere and I suspect it may be because KFC is purple with DQ and this is a reaction to the info on DQ as an attempt to discredit us/our information. What are your thoughts on this?

Chick intentionally left Arby's out of the will. The idea was that Arby's would be our secret weapon to be revealed at a later date... Unfortunately, Arby's seems to have missed that part of last night's discussion. But he's one of us, all the same. Chick and I have the same wincon, and I believe Arby's does too. There was some concern of traitor/cult shenanigans, but at this point I'm pretty sure there is no cult since there has been a steady 2kpn. If there was a cult, they'd convert rather than kill, and I don't think there's a cult AND 2 killers because that would be ridiculously unbalanced and Cryptonic is a good host. so tl;dr- Arby's is town.

1. Night chat is anonymous. We claimed our real identities n1 though. So that wasn't the case for long
2. It's possible, but extremely unlikely.
3. I will not confirm/deny this. I'd rather not give scum more info about it. If any additional actions we may/may not have end up yielding relevant information, we'll share it. But until then, it'll need to remain a mystery.
4. We do not roleblock
5. More than any other living player besides myself.

[Popeyes]

"Waiting for BK to show up"? Bruh. I've been here for a while now. I like the analysis, my one issue with it is that KFC has been sketching me out today with trying to paint me as a consort. It's come seemingly out of nowhere and I suspect it may be because KFC is purple with DQ and this is a reaction to the info on DQ as an attempt to discredit us/our information. What are your thoughts on this?

Chick intentionally left Arby's out of the will. The idea was that Arby's would be our secret weapon to be revealed at a later date... Unfortunately, Arby's seems to have missed that part of last night's discussion. But he's one of us, all the same. Chick and I have the same wincon, and I believe Arby's does too. There was some concern of traitor/cult shenanigans, but at this point I'm pretty sure there is no cult since there has been a steady 2kpn. If there was a cult, they'd convert rather than kill, and I don't think there's a cult AND 2 killers because that would be ridiculously unbalanced and Cryptonic is a good host. so tl;dr- Arby's is town.

1. Night chat is anonymous. We claimed our real identities n1 though. So that wasn't the case for long
2. It's possible, but extremely unlikely.
3. I will not confirm/deny this. I'd rather not give scum more info about it. If any additional actions we may/may not have end up yielding relevant information, we'll share it. But until then, it'll need to remain a mystery.
4. We do not roleblock
5. More than any other living player besides myself.

So what do you think TB is?

[Burger King]

So what do you think TB is?

A sheriff disguised as a solo mason.

[Popeyes]

A sheriff disguised as a solo mason.

So fake claimed mason with a fake partner advocating a fake scum team claiming they can see cult or naw and now revealing I’m pink?

[Burger King]

So fake claimed mason with a fake partner advocating a fake scum team claiming they can see cult or naw and now revealing I’m pink?

Uh. I was saying he's a mason that can only perform checks, which makes him functionally a sheriff. Not sure what the teammate thing is about. I'm guessing it has to do with his RP.

I'm open to the possibility that he's been lying and is actually the witch, though that would make his claims against you a pretty reckless gambit since if we lynch you and he's wrong, he dies.

[Popeyes]

Two sheriffs in this game?

[Popeyes]

Uh. I was saying he's a mason that can only perform checks, which makes him functionally a sheriff. Not sure what the teammate thing is about. I'm guessing it has to do with his RP.

I'm open to the possibility that he's been lying and is actually the witch, though that would make his claims against you a pretty reckless gambit since if we lynch you and he's wrong, he dies.

I want you to note that I am still open to be lynched tomorrow or today.

[Burger King]

Two sheriffs in this game?

I'll admit, it seems like a lot. Especially combined with our ICU investigation.

I'll bite- what do you think he is?

[Popeyes]

I'll admit, it seems like a lot. Especially combined with our ICU investigation.

I'll bite- what do you think he is?

I think the mason claim was legit. I don’t think the sheriff aspect of it was legit
I don’t get how he could be
Mayor/mason/Sheriff atogether.

[Popeyes]

My only other thought is that he is scum.

[Popeyes]

I wonder how pissed Cryptonic would be if I made a “get myself modkilled” play
In the attempt of removing myself from the suspect list

[McDonalds]

I'll admit, it seems like a lot. Especially combined with our ICU investigation.

I'll bite- what do you think he is?

Maybe he is some kind of insane sheriff whose only purpose is to confuse us and make us think there is a cult in this game

[McDonalds]

I mean he is a mayor with 1 vote. That has to be pretty insane, right?

[Dominos]

Chicks flip made me have to reevaluate lots of my theories. Still trying to wrap my head around why crypt would make a blue faction that is pretty much the same as green win condition wise. Mechanically, blue are the masons with a shared detective ability + possible others.
I might be seeing something but for your (BK) sake, I won't reveal it. If I'm wrong it doesn't hurt, if I'm right, you don't want this info out there.

I might be willing to revisit my read on KFC - content wise, he has been coasting more than interacting with people.


Popeyes has town read more people than anyone else. I'm wondering if it's TMI buddying. I don't trust Tacos claim at all and I've read him as someone who's wincon failed after day 1 and is now a jester - which is why I've been ignoring him. I was really hoping to get more info from a night action on him to confirm my suspicion but nothing has turned up so far. Even so, it doesn't mean Popeyes can't be a scum for other reasons.
DQ with BK/Arbys feedback, I see no reason to not to scumread him. I was going to elaborate more on his superficiality but the check is more solid.

[Popeyes]

Chicks flip made me have to reevaluate lots of my theories. Still trying to wrap my head around why crypt would make a blue faction that is pretty much the same as green win condition wise. Mechanically, blue are the masons with a shared detective ability + possible others.
I might be seeing something but for your (BK) sake, I won't reveal it. If I'm wrong it doesn't hurt, if I'm right, you don't want this info out there.

I might be willing to revisit my read on KFC - content wise, he has been coasting more than interacting with people.


Popeyes has town read more people than anyone else. I'm wondering if it's TMI buddying. I don't trust Tacos claim at all and I've read him as someone who's wincon failed after day 1 and is now a jester - which is why I've been ignoring him. I was really hoping to get more info from a night action on him to confirm my suspicion but nothing has turned up so far. Even so, it doesn't mean Popeyes can't be a scum for other reasons.
DQ with BK/Arbys feedback, I see no reason to not to scumread him. I was going to elaborate more on his superficiality but the check is more solid.

I have town read the same people everyday? Where is your evidence of my town reading everyone/townreading more than someone else

[Dominos]

Dairy Queen suggests that they can only win alone #9
Dariy Queen suggests that they are Escort/Veteran #12, #14, #17
Dairy Queen suggests that players can have multiple wincons #754
Dairy Queen was asked by Subway if Dairy Queen is looking for a lover, Dairy Queen responded by saying they cant answer that question #283, #285
Dairy Queen has alluded to being a lover several times throughout the daythread.

Wendys train gained huge traction within 30 minute timeframe vs Starbucks train who gained 5 votes over a much longer period of time. This suggests that there is scum support on the Wendys train. The fact that the train occured during a very short timeframe gives additional comfort to scum looking to trigger votes on a townie without gaining suspicion on themselves.

Starbucks reasons. Entirely too much boatrocking and standoffish remarks that draw attention onto himself. High potential for Neutral in this slot but does not read as possible wolf. Starbucks has been focused on Dairy Queen and Taco Bell all of day 1. Starbucks has made references to holding KFC, Chick-fil-A, Papa Johns in high regard. Biggest opprotunity for Starbucks to be wolf would be if Dairy Queen was also wolf this game. The potential for bussing is very high with those two.

Taco Bell is revealed mayor.
Taco Bell is playing both sides of Starbucks/Dairy Queen. #247, #253
Taco Bell suggests that they know there are multiple scum teams and a NK #265
Taco Bell prompted KFC for thoughts on Dairy Queen and never responded #254
Taco Bell has stated that Mr Simon, Thats my last name, was aruging with Mrs wagstaff about a family curse. Then later brought up the name of Mr Simmon, not my last name, and said that is the name that had an argument on a family curse. Taco Bell also stated believing that Wendys was Mr Simmon.

My Lock Town:
Starbucks
Papa Johns
Subway
Popeyes

Strong Town Lean:
KFC
Pizza Hut
Taco Bell
Chipotle

Townish Read:
Arbys

Scum Reads:
Chick-fil-A
Burger King
Jack In the Box
McDonalds
Dairy Queen

AFK:
Dominos

Dead:
Wendys

For your day 1 reads, I find that you have too many Lock and strong town leans. Especially on Papa Johns, KFC, Pizza Hut, Chipoltle, Taco and even Arbys. The fact that you didn't even bother to read chat before posting it bothers me too, as if you didn't care that some of your reads were horribly bad after a bit of feedback and discussion was given day 2. You posted them non the less to "appear" like you had something to contribute while ignoring the mounting pressure on you at the time.

[Popeyes]

For your day 1 reads, I find that you have too many Lock and strong town leans. Especially on Papa Johns, KFC, Pizza Hut, Chipoltle, Taco and even Arbys. The fact that you didn't even bother to read chat before posting it bothers me too, as if you didn't care that some of your reads were horribly bad after a bit of feedback and discussion was given day 2. You posted them non the less to "appear" like you had something to contribute while ignoring the mounting pressure on you at the time.

I definitively never attempted to “appear” like I had something to contribute.
Those are my notes from day one and the players I had town because of their revealed RP, post styles, and puzzle pieceing the game.

Day one notes being used to misrepresent day two reads. Come on dude

[Popeyes]

I actually take some pride in the amount of towns I have townread for day one.
I don’t find it to be too many.


Also what kind of suspicion is that? I have too many townies in my reads?

[Dominos]

I just don't see why a town would have soo many Locked in town reads and Strong town reads after day 1. especially since your reads are rather accurate so far. Sounds like you have TMI and knew they were town, just saying - yes it's your day 1 reads, yes I take them as a grain of salt unless I find something that doesn't add up in them.

[Dominos]

I’ve got this:
Town:
Starbucks
Dairy Queen
KFC
Subway
Arbys
Taco Bell
Mcdonalds

AFK:
Jack In the Box

Scum reads:
Chipotle
Burger King
Chick-fil-A
Dominos



I also have a thought regarding Taco Bell being the cult themselves, especially considering the hyper focus they have on cult being in the game.

Later in the day, read list is very similar save for McD who was alsmost 100% cleared by technicality, Arbys who made 2 posts day 2 at that point and shouldn't have been moved imo despite the 2 posts being walls, and DQ who is now in your town reads.

[Popeyes]

I don’t consider having too many town reads a suitable reason to consider me scum.
Town have majority of the game. And when you think in the town mindset it’s easier to idetenfy the ones who are using the same mindset. The game was oriented around us having to figure out the setup and players. The players who spent the majority of their time doing so read the most townie.
The ones in lock town position being the primary drive behind it

[Dominos]

Of the 2 posts Arbys made,
1 is to discredit McDonalds win con slip (who you are now town reading), discuss Tacos odd mason claim (you also are town reading), rehighlights how people have been distracted and have moved away from the poisoned food RP (which directly relates to scum reading you)

his second post is wifom on cult targets, a dodge of giving you the reads on StarBucks vs Burger King that you asked him for, and cult mechanics.

so how can you move Arbys into your town reads based on those 2 posts?

[Popeyes]

Of the 2 posts Arbys made,
1 is to discredit McDonalds win con slip (who you are now town reading), discuss Tacos odd mason claim (you also are town reading), rehighlights how people have been distracted and have moved away from the poisoned food RP (which directly relates to scum reading you)

his second post is wifom on cult targets, a dodge of giving you the reads on StarBucks vs Burger King that you asked him for, and cult mechanics.

so how can you move Arbys into your town reads based on those 2 posts?

He gave me enough to make me consider him townsided at the moment.
If you read today I had voted him before the reveal and claim.

Are you honestly suggesting that I, as scum, would just auto lock people as town in an effort to.... what? Gain buddy points? Blend in? Where are you going with this?

[Popeyes]

I had other scum reads I was pursuing at the time of reading arbys

[Dominos]

Town reading people keeps you lower on their radar, as we all know the reaction OMGUS when people try to scum read them. By not giving anyone that OMGUS reaction, they haven't looked deeper into your posts since the original RP hunt/wendys lynch they had on you.
I'm currently looking for DQs scumbuddys, your read change on him during the day made me look more into you. I find your reasons on Arbys very poor for your second list, and whatever reasons you had for DQ, you'd take advantage of if he is your scumbuddy.

[Popeyes]

Town reading people keeps you lower on their radar, as we all know the reaction OMGUS when people try to scum read them. By not giving anyone that OMGUS reaction, they haven't looked deeper into your posts since the original RP hunt/wendys lynch they had on you.
I'm currently looking for DQs scumbuddys, your read change on him during the day made me look more into you. I find your reasons on Arbys very poor for your second list, and whatever reasons you had for DQ, you'd take advantage of if he is your scumbuddy.

I disagree that trying to avoid OMGUS is enough of a viable strat for me to be scum.
You are pairing it with me being DQ scumbuddy which I DO believe is a more hardy reasoning for me being scum. I was sheeping Starbucks a little there but I had changed my mind after day two progressed.

[Popeyes]

I actually really think the modkill strat is worth in this instance, assuming successful lynch.

I just don’t wanna piss off @Crytpnic

[Popeyes]

[QUOTE=Popeyes;787161]I actually really think the modkill strat is worth in this instance, assuming successful lynch.

I just don’t wanna piss off @Cryptonic [/QUOTE

Fixed

[Dominos]

Mind explaining in what world would loosing a town vote help town? I can't understand why you are trying to take the pressure off of DQ and refocus the town onto you instead. DQ have a role that you need tonight?

[Popeyes]

Mind explaining in what world would loosing a town vote help town? I can't understand why you are trying to take the pressure off of DQ and refocus the town onto you instead. DQ have a role that you need tonight?

I want to continue generating discussion. DQ is t here to speak. So questioning him will just lead to waiting for a response. If we Lynch DQ today and get scum
Someone dies at night
We vote me tkmorrow town is lynched
Someone dies at night

Vs

Lynch DQ get scum
Me and someone die
Lynch someone else maybe get scum.


I figured that if I am removed from the list of possible suspects it’ll strength the possible night actions and lynch targets for tomorrow

[Dominos]

I like how you think that removing DQ removes a KPN.

[Popeyes]

I like how you think that removing DQ removes a KPN.

It’s an assumption for sure.
Still. I’m brainstorming how I can be most helpful to town.

[Dominos]

out of 10 players alive
2 are blue,
1 or more have pink kill
1 or more have purple kill

so there is absolute max of 6 greens.
5 greens are already in the graveyard and I doubt Crypt made a game with 11 greens + 3 blues who win with green

the only way I see a 14 v 2 start or a 13 v 3 being balanced is if there is a recruiting cult with the double scum kpn, which oddly fits Taco's ridiculous claims

But I find it much more likely that there is more people that started as scum and neutral. That being said, of the maximum 8 town votes we have, we need 6 to lynch. If we shift just 2 people into the neutral/scum/culted slots then we need every vote. And you want to suicide to "help" town. In no way is that not scummy thinking.
Either you or DQ holds the key to winning this game for scum, either it's a kpn or a recruiter role.

[Popeyes]

out of 10 players alive
2 are blue,
1 or more have pink kill
1 or more have purple kill

so there is absolute max of 6 greens.
5 greens are already in the graveyard and I doubt Crypt made a game with 11 greens + 3 blues who win with green

the only way I see a 14 v 2 start or a 13 v 3 being balanced is if there is a recruiting cult with the double scum kpn, which oddly fits Taco's ridiculous claims

But I find it much more likely that there is more people that started as scum and neutral. That being said, of the maximum 8 town votes we have, we need 6 to lynch. If we shift just 2 people into the neutral/scum/culted slots then we need every vote. And you want to suicide to "help" town. In no way is that not scummy thinking.
Either you or DQ holds the key to winning this game for scum, either it's a kpn or a recruiter role.

I suppose that’s fair.

[Popeyes]

I suppose that’s fair.

Although. I don’t see how it’s a scum tactic as you are saying.
Because if you assume I am scum. And I die. That hurts the scum team.
The only way that me offering to die is a scummy tactic. Is if you believe I am town

[Dominos]

Although. I don’t see how it’s a scum tactic as you are saying.
Because if you assume I am scum. And I die. That hurts the scum team.
The only way that me offering to die is a scummy tactic. Is if you believe I am town

No, I'm saying you are willing to sacrifice yourself today to protect DQ's much more powerful night abilities.

[Dominos]

I don't believe you will try to get yourself modkilled, it's a ploy.

[Popeyes]

I don't believe you will try to get yourself modkilled, it's a ploy.

Is that a challenge? Are you daring me?

[Popeyes]

Don’t tel me I won’t. I will.

[Dairy Queen]

Just woke up i am going to throw on some coffee and review.

[Dominos]

Nothing you have said has changed my mind about you. You are just going deeper and deeper. I just have to figure out which of you is the actual higher priority role wise. Anyone else want to pitch in? I see people reading the thread but aren't posting.

OOG: If you're just gonna play like that, I hope you get banned from FMs regardless what you are.

[Popeyes]

Nothing you have said has changed my mind about you. You are just going deeper and deeper. I just have to figure out which of you is the actual higher priority role wise. Anyone else want to pitch in? I see people reading the thread but aren't posting.

OOG: If you're just gonna play like that, I hope you get banned from FMs regardless what you are.

OOG: I’m sorry you feel that way. EoG we can talk about it, if you want.

I didn’t expect anything I said to change your mind. DQ is here now.
So that opens up another avenue of discussion.

[Dairy Queen]

I find it kind if funny that i'm locked in as scum already to certain people. I could have came in and said "hey this guy visited that guy and he's dead"

[Popeyes]

I did a lot of public brainstorming in the daychat. It definitely gave me that sense of flailing.

[Popeyes]

I find it kind if funny that i'm locked in as scum already to certain people. I could have came in and said "hey this guy visited that guy and he's dead"

Do you think that they are making it up?
Didn’t you say that you can’t visit anyone?

[Dairy Queen]

Do you think that they are making it up?
Didn’t you say that you can’t visit anyone?

I firmly expressed that I can't visit anyone, last night while extremely annoyed I said he was directly claiming I did something I didn't do, therefore that makes him a member of the scum team going for a win. I didn't take into account he could potentially have received some false feed back. I don't know..The fact everyone just ate it up is suspect as fuck.

[Popeyes]

I firmly expressed that I can't visit anyone, last night while extremely annoyed I said he was directly claiming I did something I didn't do, therefore that makes him a member of the scum team going for a win. I didn't take into account he could potentially have received some false feed back. I don't know..The fact everyone just ate it up is suspect as fuck.

I find it interesting that chick confirmed BK who said Arbys is confirmed. And both of them support that you did the thing.
Then chick died.
The only way I see this being a true play for scum. Is if BK and Arbys is scum and they killed chick to get majority in blue faction.

[Dairy Queen]

Lynching my would be an extremely poor move, I don't think my love would approve and I feel I've shown you guys through my 332 posts that I am town.

In a 16 player game I can easily see a 3-4 Member scum team. We have 10 remaining players.

We have someone claiming to be witched.

And an apparent SK type of killer.

That's at least 5 non town players in the pool.

My only guess is that scum picked up on my bread crumbing soft-claims, and tied to execute that last night by killing Starbucks. Low and behold I'm still here so my wifom must have worked to some extent. I am going to assume that they thought by killing Starbucks I would also wake up in the morning dead. That is not the case. =)

[Dairy Queen]

I find it interesting that chick confirmed BK who said Arbys is confirmed. And both of them support that you did the thing.
Then chick died.
The only way I see this being a true play for scum. Is if BK and Arbys is scum and they killed chick to get majority in blue faction.

It seemed to me like they don't have anything else to go by other than "we are blue." Do you see any blue killers in the graveyard? No.

I don't see BK and Abrys as a scum team killing off CFA in any world that would be retarded to do becuase they had CFA's trust.

[Popeyes]

I’m gonna hit the hay. I’ll be back