Day II: Fires of War

[FM Jace Beleren]

The Basileus has returned. Give me a minute to conjure up a post.

[FM Sorin Markov]

So apparently my post is ''awaiting moderator approval'' and still hasn't been posted.

Zzz.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

So apparently my post is ''awaiting moderator approval'' and still hasn't been posted.

Zzz.

I know the feeling.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

mafia wouldn't necessarily want to kill cult right away right? "Let the cult break up the town some as well" it's not like cult can recruit once their leader is dead (assuming glissa is the cult leader). get rid of the cult threat asap.

[FM Jace Beleren]

Dack: Yesterday he was seemingly intelligent, yet now that today has come around, I am 95% sure he is a Reaper/Vermaak.

The Pope -Sasha- wouldn't rush to the defense of Glissa. It might seem like he is trying to make a plan, yet from what I can tell he wants us to have the other enemies of Byzantium kill Glissa tonight so that she could possibly convert someone before she dies. Now then this might not seem like much considering the fact that that one would just die, yet it is a subtle method of getting a kill off, as if she were lynched and she has a member then its left with one Reaper because 1/2 of 1 rounded down is 0, yet if she got another conversion off tonight it would be 1/2 of 2 making one death. This might not seem like much, but it is a subtle way to perform a night kill, as it effectively kills one member of an opposing team and forces us to possibly have to waste tomorrow lynching her if the Mafia doesn't kill her, which they almost certainly wouldn't knowing that we would waste another day lynching her, and if the Vermaak have an Enforcer they have nothing to fear.

Also, lynching the Witch claim as he suggests is a bad idea. I would recommend a Vig shoot the Witch tonight or during the day as I would not want to lynch a possible Jester.

[FM Karn]

Hello ladies and gentlemen, I regret for missing out on yesterday's discussion. Well now that I'm here, I'd like to state that nothing happened to me last night

Also with Glissa on L-6, I'll restrain my vote until most people have posted. Though I do not support the plan of letting the conduit deal with the cult, it's always better to secure a kill on the scums
With Glissa claiming medic very early, I have little doubt that he is what he claims to be

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

It seems as though, despite the fact that this setup is the same as FM V, the majority of players didn't go ahead and read it. That's okay, but I'll explain why I'd hoped you would:

(at) the Town: I'm sure at the moment it seems as though you have all the resources in the world, but I suspect you will come to see things differently very soon (as we did the first time around in FM V). The Beast is an extreme threat that basically required mass role-claim from everybody (including scum) to beat. This game will provide the Vigilante with no shortage of targets in the coming days and he has only 3 shots. 3 might seem like a lot, but if you were to use one on me, that leaves 2 shots to deal with 10+ scum.

You perceive me as a threat, but I am not.

~~~~

To other matters, where I will now pretend to be one of you and offer wisdoms.

The Sheriff claim did seem initially dubious, and given the history of Day 2 sheriff claims on this site there's every reason for us to doubt it. However, what was more suspicious was the way that Glissa Sunseeker defended herself. It was an immediate Medic claim before the votes even had a chance to come in. In an impromptu retrospective study of my memories, 90% of scum claim Citizen or Doctor (Medic).

Lynching Glissa would seem like the optimum pro-town move today.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

I am exceedingly suspicious of this post by Dack, and I wonder if he shares alignment with Glissa Sunseeker, for he seems to be in a head-on charge to divert the lynch away from her.

Oooh a sheriff reveal has found a Reaper! I think we should not lynch this player but instead force the mafia to kill this player at night. Why waste a town lynch when scum wants to kill the Reapers, too? Now it's unclear whether Glissa is Sasha or if Glissa was recruited, but it's a 50:50 toss up IF you believe the sheriff claim.

If the sheriff claim is fake, it's probably from one of the mafia teams, leading a gambit. But the other team won't know that. Let's make scum waste resources on dealing with the reapers while we get rid of the witch claim who can win with scum but not with us.

There is no incentive for scum to kill the witch, but there is incentive for scum to kill a reaper. -> we should lynch the witch today.

-vote FM Elspeth Tirel

[FM Jace Beleren]

I am exceedingly suspicious of this post by Dack, and I wonder if he shares alignment with Glissa Sunseeker, for he seems to be in a head-on charge to divert the lynch away from her.

I have already stated such.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

At Elspeth Tirel colon Who did you target last night and who did you make him visit question mark

[FM Tibalt]

It seems as though, despite the fact that this setup is the same as FM V, the majority of players didn't go ahead and read it. That's okay, but I'll explain why I'd hoped you would:

(at) the Town: I'm sure at the moment it seems as though you have all the resources in the world, but I suspect you will come to see things differently very soon (as we did the first time around in FM V). The Beast is an extreme threat that basically required mass role-claim from everybody (including scum) to beat. This game will provide the Vigilante with no shortage of targets in the coming days and he has only 3 shots. 3 might seem like a lot, but if you were to use one on me, that leaves 2 shots to deal with 10+ scum.

You perceive me as a threat, but I am not.

~~~~

To other matters, where I will now pretend to be one of you and offer wisdoms.

The Sheriff claim did seem initially dubious, and given the history of Day 2 sheriff claims on this site there's every reason for us to doubt it. However, what was more suspicious was the way that Glissa Sunseeker defended herself. It was an immediate Medic claim before the votes even had a chance to come in. In an impromptu retrospective study of my memories, 90% of scum claim Citizen or Doctor (Medic).

Lynching Glissa would seem like the optimum pro-town move today.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

If you are a witch as you claim to be and have some desire to work with the town could you share the night action you submitted last night with us? This would go a long way for me to feel like you are worth keeping alive and not lobbying for a jailor execution as I currently plan to do.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Before anything else however comma I want mr witchiness to tell us exactly what she did last night period

I took no action.

I see no reason to aggravate the Town by taking actions. If I was watched last night and that player eventually reveals his results, they will confirm my testimony.

[FM Domri Rade]

Elspeth, why do you insist in acting so darkly? Your claimed role may not be a threat if you do not use its dark magic. The idea that you are hiding what you really are is the threat. You are hiding in the dark and that is something that no one of the light should do.

[FM Jace Beleren]

I took no action.

I see no reason to aggravate the Town by taking actions. If I was watched last night and that player eventually reveals his results, they will confirm my testimony.

I truly believe that Elspeth is a Court Jester -If you can't figure this one out...-. 75% sure.

[FM Karn]

It seems as though, despite the fact that this setup is the same as FM V, the majority of players didn't go ahead and read it. That's okay, but I'll explain why I'd hoped you would:

(at) the Town: I'm sure at the moment it seems as though you have all the resources in the world, but I suspect you will come to see things differently very soon (as we did the first time around in FM V). The Beast is an extreme threat that basically required mass role-claim from everybody (including scum) to beat. This game will provide the Vigilante with no shortage of targets in the coming days and he has only 3 shots. 3 might seem like a lot, but if you were to use one on me, that leaves 2 shots to deal with 10+ scum.

You perceive me as a threat, but I am not.

~~~~

To other matters, where I will now pretend to be one of you and offer wisdoms.

The Sheriff claim did seem initially dubious, and given the history of Day 2 sheriff claims on this site there's every reason for us to doubt it. However, what was more suspicious was the way that Glissa Sunseeker defended herself. It was an immediate Medic claim before the votes even had a chance to come in. In an impromptu retrospective study of my memories, 90% of scum claim Citizen or Doctor (Medic).

Lynching Glissa would seem like the optimum pro-town move today.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

As a role with the ability to control town's night actions you are a threat. Especially with the fact that you can win with anyone except the town.

Why are you so intent with finding the beast early compared to the other scums? Stating that beating the beast requires mass role claims

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Elspeth, why do you insist in acting so darkly? Your claimed role may not be a threat if you do not use its dark magic. The idea that you are hiding what you really are is the threat. You are hiding in the dark and that is something that no one of the light should do.

We are all hiding what we really are, for dark or light, my friend.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

As a role with the ability to control town's night actions you are a threat. Especially with the fact that you can win with anyone except the town.

Why are you so intent with finding the beast early compared to the other scums? Stating that beating the beast requires mass role claims

Think again. Revise. Ask again and maybe you will receive reply.

[FM Domri Rade]

Why do you insist in this smoke and mirrors sham?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

As a role with the ability to control town's night actions you are a threat. Especially with the fact that you can win with anyone except the town.

Why are you so intent with finding the beast early compared to the other scums? Stating that beating the beast requires mass role claims

I highlight this post for everybody else to read, because I can't make a single bit of sense of it.

I have claimed Witch with the intention of siding with any scum, yet Karn is asking me why I am concentrating on the Beast (the one Scum who I can't win with) and not hunting other scums?

Karn is reciting words he thinks sound pro-town without asking himself why he's saying them.

[FM Domri Rade]

I highlight this post for everybody else to read, because I can't make a single bit of sense of it.

I have claimed Witch with the intention of siding with any scum, yet Karn is asking me why I am concentrating on the Beast (the one Scum who I can't win with) and not hunting other scums?

Karn is reciting words he thinks sound pro-town without asking himself why he's saying them.

Why are you pointing this out if you want to side with the dark?

[FM Vraska]

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

Whoops?

.

Hey.

Hey, Jace.

Answer me, please.

[FM Jace Beleren]

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

Whoops?



Hey.

Hey, Jace.

Answer me, please.

Did you ask me something?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Why are you pointing this out if you want to side with the dark?

I'm appeasing you with offerings of wisdom.

[FM Karn]

I highlight this post for everybody else to read, because I can't make a single bit of sense of it.

I have claimed Witch with the intention of siding with any scum, yet Karn is asking me why I am concentrating on the Beast (the one Scum who I can't win with) and not hunting other scums?

Karn is reciting words he thinks sound pro-town without asking himself why he's saying them.

There's no point in claiming a dangerous role whose objective's are to defeat the town, which currently holds the majority. Claiming witch is most likely a way to get lynched as jester, or to prevent people from learning that you are a more dangerous killing role

[FM Vraska]

You claim to not trust the sheriff, but you go with the Sheriff's check anyways?

Expound on this.

Here ya' go.

[FM Domri Rade]

I'm appeasing you with offerings of wisdom.

Your actions are a mix of light and dark. I do not like this. Who is the darkest of those who live?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Your actions are a mix of light and dark. I do not like this. Who is the darkest of those who live?

Does "darkest" refer to most obviously dark, or most scarily dark?

[FM Tibalt]

I took no action.

I see no reason to aggravate the Town by taking actions. If I was watched last night and that player eventually reveals his results, they will confirm my testimony.

I took no action.

I see no reason to aggravate the Town by taking actions. If I was watched last night and that player eventually reveals his results, they will confirm my testimony.

I cant trust you. This is your win condition:
"Destroy the Militia, You can win with any other faction"

Keeping you alive or killing you

Pro's:
-Wants to see the beast dead
-Potential for controlling a role with coordination from the town

Con's:
-Can not confirm you followed towns desires
-You need the town to die to win
-Potential jester ploy
-Self claimed non-town
-We may not have a lookout to confirm your actions at all (Even if we had one it would not be worth him revealing to prove you)


I do not see any logic at all in pushing for you to live. Point blank- I want you to be killed at night preferably by a Jailor.

[FM Domri Rade]

Does "darkest" refer to most obviously dark, or most scarily dark?

Your interpretation is just as valuable as your list.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

There's no point in claiming a dangerous role whose objective's are to defeat the town, which currently holds the majority. Claiming witch is most likely a way to get lynched as jester, or to prevent people from learning that you are a more dangerous killing role

Really, is this what you think? I don't believe you think I am a Jester. In your previous post you were telling me I am a threat because of my abilities as a Witch.

Natural scum response: when accused, accuse the accuser of being a Jester to destroy their credibility.

[FM Tibalt]

Glissa is now at L4.

I would ask players to unvote. This is too close to an early hammer for the amount of time we have left.

[FM Domri Rade]

-vote unvote

The daylight is precious

[FM Vraska]

FM Vraska drops his face to his desk.

That self-centered playstyle.

I mean.

Who claims a anti-town role (Whose wincon is to defeat town) then sides with town?!

Vig 'em, boil 'em, mash 'em in a stew.

Just stop coming in and being such a distraction, in terms of daychat.

I'm getting Mazzy vibes over here.

[FM Jace Beleren]

Here ya' go.

Because the Surgeon -Medic- claim sounded like even bigger bullshit.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Your actions are a mix of light and dark. I do not like this. Who is the darkest of those who live?

I am strongly suspicious of Dack and Glissa. I don't necessarily buy the Sheriff claim, but even if I don't, I still think Glissa is scum. Dack's actions of trying to divert the lynch, suggest to me that Glissa is of high-value to Dack's alignment.

Therefore, my answer is: Glissa is the darkest appearing of those who live.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Just stop coming in and being such a distraction, in terms of daychat.

I'm sorry if my posts are disturbing your thinking and giving your head an ouchies. If you like, I'll promise to put down my witch's wand and commit ritual suicide too to save you some bother.

Would that make you feel better, poor dearest?

[FM Domri Rade]

I am strongly suspicious of Dack and Glissa. I don't necessarily buy the Sheriff claim, but even if I don't, I still think Glissa is scum. Dack's actions of trying to divert the lynch, suggest to me that Glissa is of high-value to Dack's alignment.

Therefore, my answer is: Glissa is the darkest appearing of those who live.

What about the dark ones who are not in the light's eye?

[FM Garruk Wildspeaker]

Light can go to hell. I like the dark

[FM Liliana Vess]

Meshuval comes in, ignores my case against him and what Vraska has said against him, then does nothing but sheep the sheriff's guilty.

Scumlord 2013.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Can people stop wasting time talking about Elspeth now? There are only two possibilities for her. Either:
1. She is not the witch
2. She is the witch

If she isn't witch, then she is probably town who is trolling or a jester. Because the only other roles in the same invest pairing as witch are executioner and student, and neither of those roles have anything to gain from claiming witch. And any scum claiming witch would be stupid because as soon as the other neutrals die and there is no more room for witch in the setup, we would immediately lynch her.

If she is witch then she is pulling a reverse psychology gambit. In this case we should get rid of her, but she is still not really our top priority, as we can easily shut her down with an escort while we search for other scum.

So either way, there's no point in worrying about her now. We'll just have our escort block her until a better target comes along.

[FM Domri Rade]

Who is darkest among the living, Ravi?

[FM Nissa Revane]

-unvote

I shall place my vote later if needed. I fear an early hammer too much. I shall read new posts made since I was gone. Be patient my love.

[FM Vraska]

Can people stop wasting time talking about Elspeth now?

I agree with this, which is why I'm frustrated about another Mazzy in the works.

Jace, thanks for answering.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

[\unvote][unvote]
In case I didn't do this already

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

[unvote][\unvote]
In case I didn't do this already

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Can people stop wasting time talking about Elspeth now?

I agree with this.

So let me get this straight comma we have someone who claims a scum role comma does not leave feedback when doing night actions comma claims that she did nothing comma claims that nothing happened to her last night comma wasnt even roleblocked and you want to stop talking about it question mark Really question mark exclamation point question mark

Im not willing to let someone who can mess with our actions off the hook so fast comma I dont believe her for one second that she did nothing last night and Im not gonna stand by while others try to hide her under the rug period

-vote FM Elspeth Tirel

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

-unvote

Sorry.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

And why shouldn't we just leave her to a jail or or vig as others have said? No one is proposing to leave her alone indefinitely

[FM Nicol Bolas]

So we can let the kidnapper possibly protect him and waste a vig shot on an immune witch question mark not to mention possibly waste our jailor if the kidnapper has already sent in the action before him period

[FM Liliana Vess]

Why is scum kidnapper going to target witch though? We've already gone through why scum don't want to target each other this early.