"Day VI: 7th Heaven" Discussion Thread

[Lionel]

-vote Ted

[Riley]

-vote Ted

[Janice]

Ted is ash, he is a citizen

-Dead Lynch Alec

[Janice]

Also, HOORAY! I DON'T EVEN CARE THAT ASHLYN DIED, I COMPLETED MY SECONDARY OBJECTIVE AFTER DEATH HAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Best Player: Probably George
Worst Player: Katherine. She not only destroyed her own team with that last will but every single team but town.

[Janice]

unvote Alec
-vote Ted

[Lucinda]

-ted

[Lionel]

My vote for MVC would have to be Tracy.

There's a Most Valuable Corpse award, right?

[Barry]

I'll give mvp to shawna for sucessfully faking sheriff for as long as she did.

how does george deserve it? All he did was pointlessly lie and confuse the town

honestly the game was too easy to have a real town be mvp.

[Glen]

I think shawna or peter deserves MVP.

-vote Ted

[Erika]

I'm not sure how MVP can go to anyone other than Wendy. She pretty much won town the game.

[Wendy]

I'm not sure how MVP can go to anyone other than Wendy. She pretty much won town the game.

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Althouth Shawna is the town MVP, killed more scum than any town... ok ill stop gloating.

Peter deserves a cocksucker award for leading me on for 2 days. I'll personally draw it for him. If you let me

I'll think of more awards, but dont hate on Jack seriously, he put a lot of thinking in what he did and revealing red team wasn't against his condition. Plus not culting me is super cute and noble because if i got culted and died my rage would be limitless.

[Janice]

I'm not sure how MVP can go to anyone other than Wendy. She pretty much won town the game.

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Althouth Shawna is the town MVP, killed more scum than any town... ok ill stop gloating.

Peter deserves a cocksucker award for leading me on for 2 days. I'll personally draw it for him. If you let me

I'll think of more awards, but dont hate on Jack seriously, he put a lot of thinking in what he did and revealing red team wasn't against his condition. Plus not culting me is super cute and noble because if i got culted and died my rage would be limitless.

Yes it was, half the town suspected Dierdre was on my team, and his death note pretty much confirmed that.

Also, I would have lol'd if you got culted and died

[Wendy]

-vote Noelle.
Poor noelle

[Janice]

-vote Noelle.
Poor noelle

noelle is already revealed.



READ

[Wendy]

Yeah deathfire, you aren't super cute and noble.... Old news are old.

[Wendy]

I know he is. Still poor Noelle, at least let him get deadlynched twice

[Janice]

Yeah deathfire, you aren't super cute and noble.... Old news are old.

I find it funny that you think you are XD

super cute yes.

Noble...........

wait....when did I say I was????? now im confused

[Katherine]

I'm not sure how MVP can go to anyone other than Wendy. She pretty much won town the game.

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

Althouth Shawna is the town MVP, killed more scum than any town... ok ill stop gloating.

Peter deserves a cocksucker award for leading me on for 2 days. I'll personally draw it for him. If you let me

I'll think of more awards, but dont hate on Jack seriously, he put a lot of thinking in what he did and revealing red team wasn't against his condition. Plus not culting me is super cute and noble because if i got culted and died my rage would be limitless.

Yes it was, half the town suspected Dierdre was on my team, and his death note pretty much confirmed that.

Also, I would have lol'd if you got culted and died

I've explained this countless times. Had Deirdre died to cult suicide instead, you would have absolutely nothing to complain about. I would have created so many targets for the town that the last cult member would mean nothing to anyone.

[Illidan]

[b]Ted's role is: Citizen!

His COM identity is: Ambient!

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Also red chat is now open.

Epilogue coming soon, hopefully tomorrow.

[Katherine]

Ah... those delicious tears.

[Arthur]

Trolololololololololol I did not expect everyone to Vote Ted like that. I was just trolling. ;D

[Janice]

Trolololololololololol I did not expect everyone to Vote Ted like that. I was just trolling. ;D

everything else is known this game is pretty much over

[Ashlyn]

Hey, first time around it wasn't my decision to kill you Philie. This time it was, but consider it a kill out of respect. If only you didn't block Sephiroth from his black-materia charge kill, scum might still have a chance.


Your reasoning for outing the red mafia fails Jack, it is a taboo and cheap thing to do as cult leader. You knew you'd be hated for doing that, so don't weasel your way out with explanations why it was all "part of the plan". Cult does not need to out and lynch mafia to win, your course of action was a mistake. If you apologize and admit your plan was a fail plan and now you know better then I will forgive you, because I am a forgiving person.

To people who say I was whining, or I am a sore loser: Its convinient to paint a person with a humiliating title, its harder to look into the deeper meaning of his words. To clarify: I am not angry about losing, I am angry at Jack for his asshole and fail tactic. It wasn't entirely against his win condition, but it was pretty much against all common sense. No sane cult leader would do that, wait not even an insane cult leader would do that (example: Plato), only Jack seemed to think it was a good idea.

And for the record: Red mafia never failed to kill this game, and every kill was a townie. So at least one scum faction did not fail, despite the cult leader's outing.

[Katherine]

I do not need to apologize to you Zack, in fact, your constant attempts to slander me because I made it impossible for you to win makes me believe that I am more deserving of an apology than you are. So you can stuff it, bro.

You did nothing but lash out at everything you could possibly perceive as being a hindrance to you winning this game, from my last will, to peter's supposed secondary objective, to SK not being immune to RB. This is no one's fault but your own. You are welcome to ask anyone, and they will tell you how poorly your mafia played on the whole.

And please, do not insult me by trying to claim that my words are a simple smokescreen to hide that fact that I was hellbent on being hated or something, I make decisions based on the fact that multiple decisions and outcomes happen to match up into a likable scenario. The fact of the matter is, your fate was sealed the moment I culted Deirdre, it was only a matter of 'when'. I do not play with kid gloves, if you want to be angry at someone, be angry at the catalyst of the whole situation(Yayap).

[Janice]

I do not need to apologize to you Zack, in fact, your constant attempts to slander me because I made it impossible for you to win makes me believe that I am more deserving of an apology than you are. So you can stuff it, bro.

Just no, you ruined the game for your own team because you thought "chance" would have been better. If anything you should apologize to Deirdre, who played much better than you did. He did everything he should have, he completely copied everything from shinra chat and he never gave a single hint that he was culted until you gave him away. I respect him and how he played. Not you, and you certainly don't deserve an apology.

You did nothing but lash out at everything you could possibly perceive as being a hindrance to you winning this game, from my last will, to peter's supposed secondary objective, to SK not being immune to RB. This is no one's fault but your own.

In his defense, your last will was you just crying and ruining the game for others when you already lost. and SK really should be immune to roleblocking. Everything, is what he did, and I'm not holding him against anything, he survived the longest out of any scum except Sephiroth.

You are welcome to ask anyone, and they will tell you how poorly your mafia played on the whole.

ummm, now I don't get this. Aside from Sephiroth (and ghost, but he really does not count) we were the longest surviving scum team. We successfully killed a townie every single night we were alive, with only one of them being a citizen. And two of our four members successfully completed our secondary objectives. I'd say we played pretty well.

And please, do not insult me by trying to claim that my words are a simple smokescreen to hide that fact that I was hellbent on being hated or something, I make decisions based on the fact that multiple decisions and outcomes happen to match up into a likable scenario. The fact of the matter is, your fate was sealed the moment I culted Deirdre, it was only a matter of 'when'. I do not play with kid gloves, if you want to be angry at someone, be angry at the catalyst of the whole situation(Yayap).

The fuck did Yayap do this game? Got Lionel killed? He pretty much did nothing after that. Yayap played terribly this game

[Ashlyn]

Since when is a mafia's fate sealed once the cult leader cults a member? Maybe when you are the cult leader yes, cus you will out them and act as a town sheriff. We all know how that turned out for you. First scum faction to lose the game, bravo.

I know Deathfire and Ganondorf pretty much confirmed they were scum and on a team day 1, I know Lionel was super obvious. We were all pretty fresh to the being mafia scene, but look at that - we did the best out of all the scum this game anyway.

And what Deathfire said about your last will is jackpot baby, you spited the red mafia to take them down with you. Lets say you pretending to be supersmart sheriff at day was ok, that last will was certainly not. Had you not left that last will outing us we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

That last will = you being an asshole. So yeah, you do have to apologize.

[Katherine]

The town left you for last because of how little a threat you posed, and how obvious you were. Do you not realize their highest priority was spending the days after my death finding the other scum?

Just no, you ruined the game for your own team because you thought "chance" would have been better. If anything you should apologize to Deirdre, who played much better than you did. He did everything he should have, he completely copied everything from shinra chat and he never gave a single hint that he was culted until you gave him away. I respect him and how he played. Not you, and you certainly don't deserve an apology.

I will be happy to offer my team an apology for my failing them. But I don't see them asking one of me.

[Janice]

The town left you for last because of how little a threat you posed, and how obvious you were. Do you not realize their highest priority was spending the days after my death finding the other scum?

How does that change how well we played? We left the SK alive for strategy reasons. We could have just killed him or outed him during day. We didn't. The fact that we were "lower priority" was part of the plan.

[Ashlyn]

Just read that orange mafia actually intended to kill the cult leader night 3. Interesting choice of foolishness, and Yayap was on that team, wtf? Yet another proof that a pro townie doesn't always perform well as a scum.

Also I just read that your last will was intended to give town a free win if a scum kills you at night, even if it'd be Sephiroth randomly. Proof of you being an asshole.

And now you're just bashing us because we bashed you, when you are all-deserving of a bash. Just stop talking Jack, you ruined this game for more than just a few players, and it was intended.

[Janice]

Just read that orange mafia actually intended to kill the cult leader night 3. Interesting choice of foolishness, and Yayap was on that team, wtf? Yet another proof that a pro townie doesn't always perform well as a scum.

Also I just read that your last will was intended to give town a free win if a scum kills you at night, even if it'd be Sephiroth randomly. Proof of you being an asshole.

And now you're just bashing us because we bashed you, when you are all-deserving of a bash. Just stop talking Jack, you ruined this game for more than just a few players, and it was intended.

Zack I fear you may be falling into witch rant mode. You aren't still mad at me for that are you?

[Katherine]

You are wrong, I knew full well that I would be attacked by the oranges again. This had nothing to do with random last will outing.

[Wendy]

ladies don't fight.
one could ask himself: why does this katherine the cult leader know so much of us? maybe there is a spy. Let's play carefully and look like we don't pose a threat. Let's reduce town to a safer number and deal with it later. Or maybe get the spy lynched at day?
what yayap did wasn't logical and not very thought-through... he could consider how much it has a potential to imbalance town, observe more, bid his time, just like you should have. He knew red was compromised, he thought his team was, too, ironically so only 2 recruitments had been done at the time and it was impossible...
a chain reaction of careless play and bad planning. What jack did is a defense mechanism and a warning for future mafia to play better.
when i played as cult leader, at some point red mafia planned to block and kill me because they knew what was up. I was going to out them and deservingly so. They knew better not to, in the end. Neither of mafias realized it this time.
TL;DR yes it kinda looks bad but it isnt solely Jacks fault but a collective scum failure. a lesson to learn

[Barry]

less QQ more pew pew

[Deirdre]

So.... I can't wait to see who gets the "worst faction" award :P The town played iffy at best, the Shinra played iffy but was destroyed by my master (and the Turks who killed Katherine and lynched Lionel), the Turks killed the Shinra (indirectly) and the cult, the ghost didn't do crap, the amnesiac died N1, and Sephiroth actually played a decent game. In other words, MYA FOR MVP!

[Arthur]

I got the worst faction. I lost first... :'(

[Deirdre]

I got the worst faction. I lost first... :'(

No, you are the best faction because you did the least wrong... Arthur for LUP (least un-valuable player)!

[Arthur]

I will accept the LUP. Thank you. Now I would like to honor all the little people who I had to crush in order to receive this award. I rock!

[Glen]

I will accept the LUP. Thank you. Now I would like to honor all the little people who I had to crush in order to receive this award. I rock!

yes, yes u do Cloud. btw if u were still alive which role would u pick? im just curious.

[Lionel]

I will accept the LUP. Thank you. Now I would like to honor all the little people who I had to crush in order to receive this award. I rock!

yes, yes u do Cloud. btw if u were still alive which role would u pick? im just curious.

He'd pick mine, duh.

I single-handedly proved the amazingness of the Gunner role.

[Arthur]

I would have to choose a town role like last time. The scum this game just failed for the most part. It was very obvious. Even without my vantage point. If I survived this long I prolly would have chosen escort. It gives the town more of the power it needs.

[Arthur]

LOL I just realized that if I remembered that I was an escort then I would surely lose because Wendy died this last night. On second thought I would choose vigilante because I like guns.

[Deirdre]

LOL I just realized that if I remembered that I was an escort then I would surely lose because Wendy died this last night. On second thought I would choose vigilante because I like guns.

Choose citizen..... because power roles are too mainstream. Everyone knows that the best amnesiacs only remember citizens and other amnesiacs!

[Arthur]

I would have to change my avatar to a hipster if I did that lol.

[Ashlyn]

So you punished the oranges by outing the reds in order to cause a town win and teach them a lesson? I don't see anywhere on night 3 cult chat that you said you are expecting to die, but whatever, i'l not keep arguing.

Still, by not saying you were attacked in the first place you could have pretended to be godfather to the oranges. I fail to see why you told town of the attack, I can't imagine you expected doctor to heal you? Its not like the armorsmith gets a report on when you use your vest, he doesn't, so you really should have kept quiet.

The bottomline is: It looked like you were outing the reds just to take us down with you.

And regardless, getting back at the turks by also screwing Shinra and Sephiroth over is still bad play in my eyes. See, we guessed you were cult leader and we intended to keep you alive while the town was strong, we knew how to deal with the cult - so why punish us too? You could have just written a last will directed at the oranges, teaching them of their mistake and still giving us a chance. Without the cult, the town could claim without fear so just the CL's death at the hand of a mafia is already a shift in the balance of power, your last will along with that completely crushed all hope for the scum.

Also, had we killed Edna instead of Riley on night 2 the Consort wouldn't vigi-shot and Wendy would keep getting blocked. That was just hanging in my mind...

[Rita]

[spoiler]I AM THE GODFATHER[/spoiler]

[Lionel]

On second thought I would choose vigilante because I like guns.

I was a GUNNER. Get it right dude, you know Cloud would have joined Shinra xD

[Deirdre]

I find it ironic that Cloud died N1 by Sephiroth's blade, yet Aeris continues to live...

[Lionel]

Aeris' secondary objective: -suicide

[Arthur]

Then I would come down and watch it happen. Making me even sadder...

[Katherine]

The bottomline is: It looked like you were outing the reds just to take us down with you.

I honestly don't care what it looked like to you.

And regardless, getting back at the turks by also screwing Shinra and Sephiroth over is still bad play in my eyes. See, we guessed you were cult leader and we intended to keep you alive while the town was strong, we knew how to deal with the cult - so why punish us too? You could have just written a last will directed at the oranges, teaching them of their mistake and still giving us a chance. Without the cult, the town could claim without fear so just the CL's death at the hand of a mafia is already a shift in the balance of power, your last will along with that completely crushed all hope for the scum.

Again, I don't care what you think at this point. What I did worked in all regards, aside from one, and that is the fact that Deirdre did not suicide. And seriously, you were actively talking about screwing me in your night chat. I have no means of knowing whether or not you are changing actions or death notes in PMs to the hosts, or if you've changed your strategies again after Deirdre is gone and cannot update the night chat thread. And yes, I'm aware it did, that was kind of the point.