Day II: Fires of War

[FM Dack Fayden]

Dack, why do you put down that the kidnapper cannot be sent to kill?
Where did you get this information?

It's in the role cards that kidnapper can't be sent to kill unless he's the last orange mafia.

Ok back to obvious questions that no one has bothered to ask period

There were two victims last night and we know we have at least three killing scums period Did the third fail his kill comma is a delayed kill comma didnt or couldnt kill or was there a double kill question mark

So I commented on this yesterday that I predicted that there are revolutionists in the game.
-Serial killer possible but unlikely now that we see there is no kill.
-spree killer is not going to happen after forever-alone-fmv where Elixir commented that the role had very little impact on the game
-arsonist/revoutionist don't give notification until a burn/factional kill pops up. I think that arsonist is cover for a revolutionist faction though. Because the revolutionists died instantly in FM XI and it's a good anti-priest role. I have a balance boner for revolutionists being in this game.

[FM Dack Fayden]

@ Ravi:

You may not be sent as the killer for Vermaak 88 unless you are the last remaining member of the team.

[FM Chandra Nalaar]

Everyone ignored mie and now I have to go. So no votes from me today. Bye!

[FM Ravi Sengir]

@ Ravi:

Thanks, I didn't catch that. Damn image role cards. I miss text.

[FM Ugin]

Hmm, I certainly did not expect that we'll lose our Bus Driver first. Usually roles like this are very crucial in defeating Mafia, hmm? But with the most important protecive role gone, we could be in a good trouble.
Hmm... It hurts my head just to think myself. Well, there is nothing much I can do right now. Maybe you got us a good lead, hmm?

Ugin is happy to see you are still here but sad bus driver is gone, he moved me last night and my notebook is missing. Ugin still has some paper and crayons

Ugin is my FOS target. The fact that he wanted to weaken the jailor out of fear he might be converted makes me this he is scum

-vote FM Ugin

Ugin smiles at you and thinks you are a cool guy

Don't know why you're doing this.

Town and scum can have a fear of being converted, and besides, look at the bigger picture.

He was the most active poster on Day 1, and he actively tried to drive the game forward by asking questions and scumhunting.

I mean.







And you're voting him, over, say.. the people who randomly voted for someone and lurked with the mess of other lurking lurkers and having no attention put on themselves.

You're smarter than this, Meshuvel.

Make a case against someone where there is actually something they've done that hasn't helped town.

Ugin likes you. He does give a weary look at you for defending him. Ugin apparently doesn't mind it but also seems to have a dislike for it.

I like the case against Ajani because it's worth pursuing.

Also yeah, I agree on vigging the Witchclaimer on the condition that Vraska has given.

New post: Aaand I once again agree with Vraska about the Ugin vote.

Ugin wonders why you agree but don't vote.

Vraska you seem to see Ajani in the same shade of darkness that I do. Thank you.

I am the Sheriff. I have found a shade. Specifically a Reaper. Glissa Sunseeker is of that darkness you all call cult.

She defended Nichol Bolas in subtle manners that seem to be damage control. May I be so grossly incandescent to be accurate. I checked Glissa and not the dark Nichol because Nichol is framerbait. I could not trust any result on him because so many found him to have little light. I was expecting a mafia result but was surprised.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

This fine, bright day, I ask her who she finds dark. She does not answer my question but wishes to discuss the matter of the claimed witch shade. She does not know who to find shady. I believe that she was part of one group of shades but was recently corrupted. Her lynch can help show connections between many shades.

Ugin like this. But Ugin must read rest first.

I didn't realize that one of your questions was directed at me, sorry.

Though it does greatly surprise me that you got the feedback that I am part of the Reapers. Since a Framer is unlikely to have been on me, I wonder if you are trying to pull a gamble? After all, the reasons you have given alongside your feedback are sound though misplaced.

To Vraska: I was preparing my food and wanted to get started on eating. However, I will wait until the case on me is over before I'll vote Ajani.

Ugin again wonders where your vote is.

Why did you decide to wait with the vote on me but then gave a completely different reason to justify your vote now?

Ugin wonders why you are defensive about a single early vote.

I definitely did not forget about this game. Nothing happened to me last night, I believe. I haven't read D1 and tbh I cba to either so time to analysa two pages worth of stuff.



This post was bad, you spend it waffling on Nicol Bolas ("I'm not sure he is scum" - is he town? Is he leaning scum? What is your exact opinion on him) or speculating who's going to be culted and what roles scum have and not actually FoSing anyone or doing any sort of actual scumhunting. Then, almost an hour later, you drop a vote as if it's an afterthought instead of a primary concern.

-vote FM Meshuval

Ugin thinks you should go read day 1. Ugin dislikes people who don't read everything.

Why aren't you harping on at me then considering I didn't do squat day 1? His response was terrible though.

I third/fourth/Xth the idea of vigging the witch. Lynching is fine too.

Glissa is scum and I will sheep sheriff if need be.

Ugin thinks you are townie due to second part though.

Since it is requested: I am a Medic. As such, as I said before, I believe the case against me to be a justified gamble.

I healed Bealtrice, by the way.

Ugin laughs and knows scums always claim protective roles first.

Cut sorry.

Not sure as to the legitimacy of that claim though, medic could be seen as an easy ticket out of a lynch.

Dunno why I was worried about hammer though lol.

Ugin would like you to explain the highlighted part. Ugin see the sun is still rising.

Oooh a sheriff reveal has found a Reaper! I think we should not lynch this player but instead force the mafia to kill this player at night. Why waste a town lynch when scum wants to kill the Reapers, too? Now it's unclear whether Glissa is Sasha or if Glissa was recruited, but it's a 50:50 toss up IF you believe the sheriff claim.

If the sheriff claim is fake, it's probably from one of the mafia teams, leading a gambit. But the other team won't know that. Let's make scum waste resources on dealing with the reapers while we get rid of the witch claim who can win with scum but not with us.

There is no incentive for scum to kill the witch, but there is incentive for scum to kill a reaper. -> we should lynch the witch today.

-vote FM Elspeth Tirel

Ugin thinks you are very good player. Ugin thinks of the saying though "A bird in the hand is better than 2 in a bush"

Someone who was a light may now be dark. Glissa may or may not have been a healer. What I know is that she is cult right now. What I think is that she was mafia with Nichol.

Ugin is weary of this, he knows there are technically 2 mafias. Ugin wonders how you think she is mafia with nicole. He also would like to know if she is a mafia, what allegiance did she belong to?

Oh I also forgot to mention that I was rudely awaken by some drunk individual and forced to spend the night so other chick's house.

Bus Driven by who I suppose to now 6 feet under.

Ugin goes to the giant hole and goes down, he finds his notebook full of pictures. He is happy. Ugin does find it offputting you delayed your reveal

1) I support the dayvig on Glissa and then a lynch on either the witch or possibly Domri (if Glissa doesn't flip cult).
2) I see no need to act on any other purely observation-based FoSes right now since we may very well have a sheriff to investigate for us tonight.
3) Magikarp > Sandshrew

Ugin laughs.

Any reason everybody is ignoring me??

Ugin will talk to you. Ugin does wonder why you want attention.

This isn't sc2mafia.

Ugin agrees, this is New Marris.

It's in the role cards that kidnapper can't be sent to kill unless he's the last orange mafia.



So I commented on this yesterday that I predicted that there are revolutionists in the game.
-Serial killer possible but unlikely now that we see there is no kill.
-spree killer is not going to happen after forever-alone-fmv where Elixir commented that the role had very little impact on the game
-arsonist/revoutionist don't give notification until a burn/factional kill pops up. I think that arsonist is cover for a revolutionist faction though. Because the revolutionists died instantly in FM XI and it's a good anti-priest role. I have a balance boner for revolutionists being in this game.

Ugin thinks that anything could be right now. He does agree that arson/revolution is biggest candidate.

[FM Ugin]

Everyone ignored mie and now I have to go. So no votes from me today. Bye!

Ugin is sad, he waits for your return.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin summarizes post 155 with this

I was bus driven

Ugin sees how many votes are on one. Ugin vote is only sheep but will vote.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

[FM Tibalt]

Nothing happened to me last night.

A few thoughts:

Only 2 kills but 3 killers
From this we can figure a few things
1. 2 killers hit the same target (Unlikely)
2. A killer hit a night immune
3. A killer did not submit an action and will be replaced soon (Keep this in mind later on)
4. Arson
5. A killer was role blocked

Feedback
We can determine the following from our feedback
Kills
1. The first kill was from Cole
2. Their Janitor only has 2 more cleanings
3. We had a Bus Driver which was one of our random power roles

Misc
-Two claimed role blocks means either the town has a Stripper or the mafia has a consort.

Roles (Based on our current speculation)

Cole MacGrath [MacGrath] Killer
Lucy Kuo [MacGrath] Invest
Zeke Dunbar [MacGrath] Escort
Nix [MacGrath] Janitor

Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]

Soul of The Beast
Sasha (Reaper Leader) (Could be Glissa)
Random Killing Conduit (Arson?)
Cultist? (Will be confirmed on Glissa's Flip)
Random Conduit (I suspect some form of Neutral Benign role)

Joseph Bertrand
Cop
Investigator
Extremist
Medic
Detainer
Priest
Coroner
Random PR
Bus Driver (Dead) (Night action was to Swich FM Sandruu with ?XXX?)
Random PR
Random PR
Random PR
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit



-I set the Neutral Killer as an Arson to account for only 2 kills
-From stated feedback we have 2 escorts, 1 sheriff, 1 cult

[FM Tibalt]

Claimed roles:
1. Elspeth claimed witch
2. Domri Rade claimed Sheriff
-Claimed the feedback that Glissa is a member of the Cult
3. (Somebody legit claimed cit but I have to dig through D1 to find who)

On #2
- No other roles can check an alignment
- Other invests need 2 nights to get exact role so mafia FoS'ing for town credit is doubtful
- Could be witched, Targets are not informed of witching
- Could be Sasha throwing a cult under the bus to throw off suspicion
- Could be Jester (Doubtful)
- Could be Executioner

[FM Liliana Vess]

Ugin would like you to explain the highlighted part. Ugin see the sun is still rising.

What is there to explain? I saw multiple votes getting thrown down on someone and ask that we don't end phase end by hammering. It slipped my mind that there is a lot of people so the chance of hammering was very little.

As for recent content, the only person (other than Glissa) I find to be scummy atm is Dack for not only suggesting that scum is going to kill otehr scum (which is dumb by itself but not scummy) but then persisting on it when everyone calls him out for it.

We have 2 flips so all this setupspec is bad and should stop.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

3. (Somebody legit claimed cit but I have to dig through D1 to find who)

I think that's me.

[FM Ral Zarek]

I think that's me.

so you converted?

[FM Ral Zarek]

to priest?

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

so you converted?

Nothing happened to me and I'm rather disappointed that my claim was to avail.

I am not part of any group, which mean that the plan was not followed.

Amused. Do players these days not read as much anymore? I'm quite easy to see.

[FM Ral Zarek]

maybe you just don't want to tell^^

[FM Ral Zarek]

or maybe they failed to convert you? hmm

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

Here's my plan ; Lookout on me. Priest visits me in order to make me a Priest. We stay at the plan of claiming Citizen one at a time.

Enforcer? Lookout. Simple plan, requires only the attention of only two others and not majority of all roles.

[FM Nissa Revane]

Everyone, I have returned to you! My love, I am glad to see you alive and well. I will be reading this thread and adding my reads to it. Nothing happened to me last night.

Vraska you seem to see Ajani in the same shade of darkness that I do. Thank you.

I am the Sheriff. I have found a shade. Specifically a Reaper. Glissa Sunseeker is of that darkness you all call cult.

She defended Nichol Bolas in subtle manners that seem to be damage control. May I be so grossly incandescent to be accurate. I checked Glissa and not the dark Nichol because Nichol is framerbait. I could not trust any result on him because so many found him to have little light. I was expecting a mafia result but was surprised.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

This fine, bright day, I ask her who she finds dark. She does not answer my question but wishes to discuss the matter of the claimed witch shade. She does not know who to find shady. I believe that she was part of one group of shades but was recently corrupted. Her lynch can help show connections between many shades.

A cult? I wouldn't mind lynching her. I fos her more than Domri, so I am placing my vote on her.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

I checked the Order of Operation and Conversion comes before investigatings.

Ok Ive seen this one too many times to jump onto this sheriff claiming he found super scum this early on period It goes something like this colon
fake sheriff dash Hey him super scum period
town dash choo choo
lynch victim dash wut me innocent
fake sheriff dash if Im wrong you can lynch me tomorrow period
town dash choo choo
lynch victim - dies a horrible death and flips town
dash next day dash
town dash fake sheriff could be a jester ploy
real sheriffs and real invests dash wont check him because of obvious frame targets
fake sheriff - he must have been framed of bus driven or maybe I was witched
town - focuses on new person and forgets about fake sheriff

So yeah comma Im a little scketical about this sheriffs luck comma I dont trust PRs who reveal so early but then again I dont trust PRs who reveal to defend themselves cough mr fake medic cough period

Before anything else however comma I want mr witchiness to tell us exactly what she did last night period

There was one hundred and twelve posts when I started writting this and have not read any new posts since period

On a side note comma Im not at home this weekend and am using a friends laptop comma which is very annoying since I dont have a mouse comma my settings comma or my notes on my pc braket even though I didnt have many notes from day 1 braket

I really dislike this post. What make you think we are just going to ignore the Fake sheriff after Glissa flips town? Why are you so sure that this sheriff is fake? I know it is possible that he is a fake sheriff, but the way you said it, you seemed so convinced that he isn't.

Everyone ignored mie and now I have to go. So no votes from me today. Bye!

He wasn't converted.

Everyone ignored mie and now I have to go. So no votes from me today. Bye!

What is this? I dislike this post so much. Not everything revolves around you.
Because I am nice, Ill answer your post.

Just read everything quickly. I'm kind a busy today/tomorrow so dont expect me to read/say everything.

Why are we sure we have a vig? Shouldn't we save vigi day shot for night immune roles like godfather?

We are not sure we have a vig, but we are discussing the possibility that if we have a vig, we should plan out his targets. I am not sure about we should save his shots for night immune roles.
Let me ask a question to the host.
Are night immune roles also immune to daytime shots?

[FM Nissa Revane]

@Dack, I don't really understand why you would want to lynch a possible witch over a possible cultist. If we lynch the witch today, it is possible that Glissa is Sashia and recruit another person. Another recruit is a lot worse for the town than another witching.

[FM Ral Zarek]

Here's my plan ; Lookout on me. Priest visits me in order to make me a Priest. We stay at the plan of claiming Citizen one at a time.

Enforcer? Lookout. Simple plan, requires only the attention of only two others and not majority of all roles.

if will citis get informed if priest tries to convert them and fails cause of enforcer is false i think enforcer was probably on you. or priest couldnt go to convert for some reason. i don't see a reason to not follow the plan to convert claimed citizens. there are also no reasons atm to distrust sarkhan. cult would not convert him either imo

i think the lookout plan is good and failproof. if enforcer he will be found

[FM Garruk Wildspeaker]

-vote FM Glissa sunseeker

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

EXTREMIST = VIGILANTE. ERGO WE HAVE A VIGILANTE.

-I also agree with the lookout plan on Sarkhan.
-I think Vraska was too aggressive
-Amnesiac should take the Bus Driver tonight.


What is the difference between lynching glissa/witch and vigging the other? Do we get their role before the end of the day?

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

-vote FM Glissa sunseeker

[FM Vraska]

I am unsure of I trust our Sheriff, claiming this early in the game doesn't seem Sheriffy. Although I would likely do the same if I believed I had found the Pope -Sasha-.

As to Glissa, she seems to be far too eager and calmed to claim to be a Surgeon -Medic- and I normally would not expect a claim with this few votes. It seems as if she wants it off her as fast as possible and to not leave the town with a choice of either lynching her or lynch no one.

Also, nothing happened to me last night.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

I shall return in a while, something came up in RL today.

You claim to not trust the sheriff, but you go with the Sheriff's check anyways?

Expound on this.

[FM Venser]

*Grunts come from behind the bar*
FM Venser appears to have awaken from a drunken stupor

Good morning everyone. I was drinking heavily last night, I blame FM Meshuvel for pouring the bourbon with a heavy hand. I think I mistakenly hit on FM Xenagos and yelled at FM Sifa Grent to stop writing in his book. Anyway, nothing happened to me last night and I have nothing report. I'll just be napping here behind the bar if you need anything... oh what's that FM Domri Rade? You're the sheriff? Well if we don't trust a sheriff, what's the point of having one?

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

[FM Vraska]

I have some unfinished business with yourself, FM Meshuvel, and FM Nicol Bolas. Please comment on those two other players or link me to the post where you said you did.

I would also like FM Baltrice to claim a random scum role just as an exercise in fun.

Need this information plus time to analyze flips to figure out where my reads stand.

I commented on Meshuval here.

I haven't gotten much from Nicol Bolas. Would you like me to do an in-depth analysis of him, similar to what I've done with Ajani over there?

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Since this lynch will probably go through I just want to say that I'm glad that this whole ordeal gets us some very nice clues to further pursue things.
I have tried everything I know of but I know that I'm not as convincing as I should've been so I will end this with some these last words and I'll probably not pay attention to the game anymore.

Bai Bai

[FM Sorin Markov]

*Grunts come from behind the bar*
FM Venser appears to have awaken from a drunken stupor

Good morning everyone. I was drinking heavily last night, I blame FM Meshuvel for pouring the bourbon with a heavy hand. I think I mistakenly hit on FM Xenagos and yelled at FM Sifa Grent to stop writing in his book. Anyway, nothing happened to me last night and I have nothing report. I'll just be napping here behind the bar if you need anything... oh what's that FM Domri Rade? You're the sheriff? Well if we don't trust a sheriff, what's the point of having one?

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

I, myself, may have hit the bottle a bit too hard yesterday. Ugh, my head.

Let me get a good grasp of what's going on, the votes seemed to have been stacking on Glissa awfully quick considering how early we are in the day.

[FM Meshuvel]

I really don't believe the witch claim so I'd rather not waste a lynch and the sheriff reveal is at L7 so,

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

for America

I would not be surprised if Nico Bolas was sasha; sasha would want to make it the case that the vermaak would be better off without an enforcer.

[FM Tessebik]

I, myself, may have hit the bottle a bit too hard yesterday. Ugh, my head.

Let me get a good grasp of what's going on, the votes seemed to have been stacking on Glissa awfully quick considering how early we are in the day.

I don't think the votes stacking on are suspicious, so long as we don't get into hammer-danger range until there are maybe 12-18 hours left.

[FM Vraska]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]
-I think Vraska was too aggressive

Uh.

Of course?

Would you prefer I just cast a vote for Glissa and leave the thread with no scrutiny placed on me? That's one of the most anti-town things you can do. Aggression is good, especially in short days when there's no pressure going out otherwise.

No one is going to raise their hand politely and inform us that they're scum - you need to pressure people with the fear of death, both their own, and their buddies.

[FM Vraska]

I really don't believe the witch claim so I'd rather not waste a lynch and the sheriff reveal is at L7 so,

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

for America

I would not be surprised if Nico Bolas was sasha; sasha would want to make it the case that the vermaak would be better off without an enforcer.

You still think Ugin is scum?

Besides Glissa/Elspeth, who are your secondary candidates for scum?

Based on post analysis.

[FM Vraska]

And for some reason my vote isn't on Glissa.

Hm.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

[FM Tessebik]

No one is going to raise their hand politely and inform us that they're scum

I AM THE WITCH

You lie.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Sorry comma Ive seen this too many times period Even in FMs period
I dont trust this so called sheriff comma it wouldnt sursrise me if this was a executioner ploy or even a disguiser setup period

Can someone come up with a list of who has posted and who hasnt question mark Id do it but its too hard on my phone period

[FM Ugin]

Ugin comes back after having a meal to see.

He sees the following

There are currently 13 users browsing this thread. (10 members and 3 guests)
FM Ugin*

Ugin will catch up and see what is going on. Ugin is sad when he is here and everyone just does nothing.

[FM Vraska]

You lie.

She didn't raise her hand, but yeah, I admit that she's an outlier.

Tessebik, what are your current reads?

I'm asking this because I don't want the Day to go to "waste", metaphorically, with a lynch on Glissa.

I want information.

[FM Vraska]

Sorry comma Ive seen this too many times period Even in FMs period
I dont trust this so called sheriff comma it wouldnt sursrise me if this was a executioner ploy or even a disguiser setup period

Can someone come up with a list of who has posted and who hasnt question mark Id do it but its too hard on my phone period

This is why I'm frustrated as to why the vig hasn't shot Glissa yet.

Dayvigging gives us instant information on both Glissa and Domri, as well as everyone else's reactions to Domri's reveal.

I mean.

Stalling out the vig is just going to waste time.

I hope it's not an afk player. (The vig didn't shoot N1, though, after Elspeth outed herself... hm.)

[FM Tibalt]

Dack's Plan
I do not care for Dack's plan at all.

Lynching Glissa:
-Potential to eleminate all cult (If he is the only cult and failed to convert last night)
-Potential to 99% confirm Domri Rade as Sheriff
-Our biggest scum lead

Lynching Elspeth
-Potential Jester
-Potential Town
-Potential Witch (I don't see the logic in a witch self claiming so this is doubtful in my book)
-Mafia may kill Glissa
-Mafia may not kill Glissa
-Potential for another conversion before killed at night


For those reasons I do not want to trust the kill to the mafia at all. It is just not worth it.

Glissa lynch:

I am 100% for lynching Glissa D2. There is the potential that this is the only cult and a conversion last night failed. This means there is a chance of killing the cult here and now. This 'Chance' is worth the risk of a bad lynch. With that said-
Lynching will end the day. We have 37 hours left in day 2 and Glissa is already at L7. I say the more active players unvote and allow the less active players place their votes to control the early hammer. This should be a real focus to give us time to gain leads and get reads from players.

My proposed course of action:
Have a Jailor jail Elspeth and lynch Glissa. This provides the potential for Elspeth to communicate with a confirmed town and that players judgement can determine if he lives or dies. (Note that we have a confirmed jailor with 2 executions and lynching will not affect his ability to jail)
We need to save the vigi kills. Regardless of if they pierce immunity or not that is a huge asset to the town. We can pick the kill in real time and see the flip which will give us more information right there on the spot. (Can you confirm that a day shot will result in an immediate role flip) If this is as I believe it is we do not want to waste this huge benefit.

Sarkhan's Plan:

Here's my plan ; Lookout on me. Priest visits me in order to make me a Priest. We stay at the plan of claiming Citizen one at a time.

Enforcer? Lookout. Simple plan, requires only the attention of only two others and not majority of all roles.

Pros:
-Makes confirmed towns with night chat
-Much better chance of smashing the cult
-There can be no evil agent so our priest is still safe (Assuming there is no Spree Killer)

Cons:
-Makes great targets
-Potential for evil

We should at least do this one time to allow any potential lookout to find who our priest is. Even if there is a spree killer he would be very foolish to try to kill our priest. A cult is just as much of a problem for him as it is for us. This would overall put us in a better position with very little risk.


Note
Why don't I like this:

*Grunts come from behind the bar*
FM Venser appears to have awaken from a drunken stupor

I, myself, may have hit the bottle a bit too hard yesterday. Ugh, my head.

Is it just me or is this really suspect. Sorins comment looks so strange to me. 'Ugh, my head.' I feel like this could very easily have been a pre-designed code. 'Say you are hungover if you X' Just something to keep in mind.

[FM Vraska]

Ugin likes you. He does give a weary look at you for defending him. Ugin apparently doesn't mind it but also seems to have a dislike for it.

What do you mean by "liking"? How come you "like" your attacker and defender?

Please expound on this.

[FM Tibalt]

Sorry comma Ive seen this too many times period Even in FMs period
I dont trust this so called sheriff comma it wouldnt sursrise me if this was a executioner ploy or even a disguiser setup period

Can someone come up with a list of who has posted and who hasnt question mark Id do it but its too hard on my phone period

I will do it if you stop talking like that for the rest of the game. I have to really force myself to read your gibberish right now.

[FM Vraska]

Totally fine with unvoting as per Tibalt's request, and putting pressure as needed on people.

-vote unvote

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

Dislike his Day 1 posts, as I mentioned.

[FM Tibalt]

Totally fine with unvoting as per Tibalt's request, and putting pressure as needed on people.

-vote unvote

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

Dislike his Day 1 posts, as I mentioned.

You have made a small case on him. If you take the time to build it into a constructed argument I will sheep your vote to pressure him. I want a read on how you think just as much as I want your read on him.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Ill do it myself later then comma I dont think I can pull off inflationary language yet comma maybe later period

[FM Ugin]

What is there to explain? I saw multiple votes getting thrown down on someone and ask that we don't end phase end by hammering. It slipped my mind that there is a lot of people so the chance of hammering was very little.

As for recent content, the only person (other than Glissa) I find to be scummy atm is Dack for not only suggesting that scum is going to kill otehr scum (which is dumb by itself but not scummy) but then persisting on it when everyone calls him out for it.

We have 2 flips so all this setupspec is bad and should stop.

Ugin finds your response over defensive. Ugin is still unsure of you.

maybe you just don't want to tell^^

or maybe they failed to convert you? hmm

Ugin like your pressure on him. Ugin thinks that you might know something.

Here's my plan ; Lookout on me. Priest visits me in order to make me a Priest. We stay at the plan of claiming Citizen one at a time.

Enforcer? Lookout. Simple plan, requires only the attention of only two others and not majority of all roles.

Ugin makes a half smile, he thinks its a good plan but sees problems.

Everyone, I have returned to you! My love, I am glad to see you alive and well. I will be reading this thread and adding my reads to it. Nothing happened to me last night.



A cult? I wouldn't mind lynching her. I fos her more than Domri, so I am placing my vote on her.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

I checked the Order of Operation and Conversion comes before investigatings.



I really dislike this post. What make you think we are just going to ignore the Fake sheriff after Glissa flips town? Why are you so sure that this sheriff is fake? I know it is possible that he is a fake sheriff, but the way you said it, you seemed so convinced that he isn't.


He wasn't converted.


What is this? I dislike this post so much. Not everything revolves around you.
Because I am nice, Ill answer your post.


We are not sure we have a vig, but we are discussing the possibility that if we have a vig, we should plan out his targets. I am not sure about we should save his shots for night immune roles.
Let me ask a question to the host.
Are night immune roles also immune to daytime shots?

Ugin thinks you should check roles, ugin checks it and says it ignores immunities.

if will citis get informed if priest tries to convert them and fails cause of enforcer is false i think enforcer was probably on you. or priest couldnt go to convert for some reason. i don't see a reason to not follow the plan to convert claimed citizens. there are also no reasons atm to distrust sarkhan. cult would not convert him either imo

i think the lookout plan is good and failproof. if enforcer he will be found

Ugin looks at the plan and again sees a way that it can fail.

*Grunts come from behind the bar*
FM Venser appears to have awaken from a drunken stupor

Good morning everyone. I was drinking heavily last night, I blame FM Meshuvel for pouring the bourbon with a heavy hand. I think I mistakenly hit on FM Xenagos and yelled at FM Sifa Grent to stop writing in his book. Anyway, nothing happened to me last night and I have nothing report. I'll just be napping here behind the bar if you need anything... oh what's that FM Domri Rade? You're the sheriff? Well if we don't trust a sheriff, what's the point of having one?

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

Ugin still has a strong dislike on you.

Since this lynch will probably go through I just want to say that I'm glad that this whole ordeal gets us some very nice clues to further pursue things.
I have tried everything I know of but I know that I'm not as convincing as I should've been so I will end this with some these last words and I'll probably not pay attention to the game anymore.

Bai Bai

Ugin likes to see all possibilities. He thinks that this post does not help your case.

I, myself, may have hit the bottle a bit too hard yesterday. Ugh, my head.

Let me get a good grasp of what's going on, the votes seemed to have been stacking on Glissa awfully quick considering how early we are in the day.

Ugin thinks you should read the discussion.

I really don't believe the witch claim so I'd rather not waste a lynch and the sheriff reveal is at L7 so,

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

for America

I would not be surprised if Nico Bolas was sasha; sasha would want to make it the case that the vermaak would be better off without an enforcer.

Ugin finds it odd how you have fos on me then sheeps vote.

Uh.

Of course?

Would you prefer I just cast a vote for Glissa and leave the thread with no scrutiny placed on me? That's one of the most anti-town things you can do. Aggression is good, especially in short days when there's no pressure going out otherwise.

No one is going to raise their hand politely and inform us that they're scum - you need to pressure people with the fear of death, both their own, and their buddies.

Ugin thinks you are very good player. He notices how you are taking town leader type role right now.

You lie.

Ugin laughs at funny.

[FM Dack Fayden]

I was hoping others would realize this, but it seems that nobody has read through all the role cards.

Attempting to recruit a Reaper will result in you purging them. You cannot purge Sasha.

We do NOT have to rely just on mafia killing the reaper suspect at night, we can rely on a priest to do that for us. If Glissa is purged at night -> flips reaper we all rejoice. If Glissa is not purged tonight, we know she is Sasha or Domri was lying (unlikely).

Escort on Glissa, priest on Glissa, lynch Elspeth today so the plan to purge Glissa isn't accidentally ruined.

[FM Ugin]

What do you mean by "liking"? How come you "like" your attacker and defender?

Please expound on this.

Ugin refers to how you defended his fos. He likes your reasonings on many things. He dislikes how you buddy-defend him when he was not here.

[FM Ugin]

Totally fine with unvoting as per Tibalt's request, and putting pressure as needed on people.

-vote unvote

-vote FM Ajani Goldmane

Dislike his Day 1 posts, as I mentioned.

Ugin giggles at the mistake. He comes over and tells you that it registers one at a time per post.

[FM Tibalt]

I was hoping others would realize this, but it seems that nobody has read through all the role cards.



We do NOT have to rely just on mafia killing the reaper suspect at night, we can rely on a priest to do that for us. If Glissa is purged at night -> flips reaper we all rejoice. If Glissa is not purged tonight, we know she is Sasha or Domri was lying (unlikely).

Escort on Glissa, priest on Glissa, lynch Elspeth today so the plan to purge Glissa isn't accidentally ruined.

This is still a worse plan that having a Jailor handle Elspeth and lynching Glissa. Why are you so set on seeing Elspeth lynched and not killed in some other way? I find this very odd.

Going with your new proposed plan means:
-Priest target is exposed
-No mason conversion
-Escort target is exposed (And we do not even know if we have an escort)
-Glissa could be Sasha and not be killed at all wasting a day

This is not logical at all. I have you pegged as a very intelligent player and your lines of logic trying to put Elspeth on a town lynch is setting off alarms for me. Can you justify why you are pushing so hard for this in spite of the fact better plans have been proposed?

[FM Sorin Markov]

Hmm. How intriguing.
I guess I can sheep on Glissa, but that's putting her at L-5, so we should most likely slow down on the votes. It seems pretty clear that unless there's a massive turnaround, she'll be lynched today. Her defense is incredibly weak, she barely bothered, said bye and left. If anything it'll confirm Domri.

@Tibalt: I'll have to agree with your proposed course of action. Two vigilante shots isn't much, and I do believe that they should be saved as much as possible.

Is it just me or is this really suspect. Sorins comment looks so strange to me. 'Ugh, my head.' I feel like this could very easily have been a pre-designed code. 'Say you are hungover if you X' Just something to keep in mind.

That's actually a really nice catch and I can't even be mad at you for pointing this out, I hadn't even thought about it when I posted it. It was our corporate Xmas party yesterday, but I should most definitely refrain from posting things like that in the future. At the same time, I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't be so obvious as to do such a thing that would definitely label all the people involved as teammates after a flip from one of them!

And @Ugin, I hadn't read the day yet, sorry for that.

I seriously don't think an executioner would be bold enough to pull the usual Sc2Mafia ''I'm Sheriff, he's scum'' on the first night. Plus, if it was faked, he wouldn't have picked Reaper over a Mafia faction, since there's an argument not to lynch Glissa but to purge her instead as mentioned above, although I think that's a pretty dumb idea. And as said above, Glissa's defense is a pile of shit.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker