Day II: Fires of War

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

So we neutralize the witch and kidnapper if kid gets him first. Win win

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Why is scum kidnapper going to target witch though? We've already gone through why scum don't want to target each other this early.

We did?

[FM Liliana Vess]

Someone hasn't read the thread properly.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

So that orange team and coordinate with witch into messing up town actions without overlapping plus if kidnapper saves witch from vig shot comma orange team gains benefits as well period

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Are you guys for real.

I'm not a witch.

[FM Domri Rade]

Are you guys for real.

I'm not a witch.

It doesn't take an enlightened person to know that. Could you claim your role or why you claimed darkness. Saying you are not dark does not make it so.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Are you guys for real.

I'm not a witch.

Don't buy it.

[FM Domri Rade]

Don't buy it.

She is unlikely to be the darkness that she claims she is. I do not know whether she is of the dark or light. Because of the fiasco of claiming and causing the shadows of doubt, she ought to her best to enlighten us with her role and reasons.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

I am a shittizen trying to draw attention from les scums. It might have worked except town is going full derp on me - meaning the scum don't have to worry about me, because town are all talking about shooting me dead.

Some history; the last person who claimed Day 1 as Witch was in FM XII and they were the Doctor. Scum left them alone because scum bought the witch claim. Town left them alone because they weren't a priority. This left the Doctor to heal his patients in peace.

I assumed there is at least one member of a mafia team who remembers FMXII and would perceive me as a Town PR trying to pull the same gambit. I'd hoped this would cause them to waste some effort on me.

Even if I had been the Witch, killing the Witch would have been a waste.

Yes, I claimed witch, but I never tried to act like one.

Sunseeker is scum. Her buddy Dack likely shares her alignment.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

-unvote

Good enough to get my to take my vote off for now comma I still dont trust you but then again I dont trust anyone period

[FM Sandruu]

Are you guys for real.

I'm not a witch.

This is way I am quite suspect of Dack Fayden. Your ploy was quite obvious. But in the end, you are only drawing attention from town.... The mafias have no reason to target you after Day 1. That makes me believe that you were making a dangerous attempt to protect yourself.

So we have two things... attempting to send a message to mafias not to kill you, you even say you are on their side.
You don't think town will lynch you because claim witch seems like a pretty bad bluff(Like who would claim evil?)

I smell Beast

[FM Sandruu]

Wow my copy/paste fro notepad didn't work quite well.

*This is way I am quite suspect of Dack Fayden. Falling for a simple witch claim and wanting to waste a lynch on a bad claim.

I the end however, I fear Elspeth the most right now. Your ploy was quite obvious. ~~~ ^^*

[FM Dack Fayden]

I am a shittizen trying to draw attention from les scums. It might have worked except town is going full derp on me - meaning the scum don't have to worry about me, because town are all talking about shooting me dead.

Some history; the last person who claimed Day 1 as Witch was in FM XII and they were the Doctor. Scum left them alone because scum bought the witch claim. Town left them alone because they weren't a priority. This left the Doctor to heal his patients in peace.

I assumed there is at least one member of a mafia team who remembers FMXII and would perceive me as a Town PR trying to pull the same gambit. I'd hoped this would cause them to waste some effort on me.

Even if I had been the Witch, killing the Witch would have been a waste.

Yes, I claimed witch, but I never tried to act like one.

Sunseeker is scum. Her buddy Dack likely shares her alignment.

Explain why you went through with your gambit even though the jailor or vigilante could have wasted a shot while taking you out.

Do you really think I would be so obvious to defend my reaper buddy if I was a cultist?

Wow my copy/paste fro notepad didn't work quite well.

*This is way I am quite suspect of Dack Fayden. Falling for a simple witch claim and wanting to waste a lynch on a bad claim.

I the end however, I fear Elspeth the most right now. Your ploy was quite obvious. ~~~ ^^*

If Elspeth is a citizen then FM Elspeth is a bad one. Town has no reason to pull stupid gambits that attempt to misuse town resources like vig shots or jail executions. I still don't see any citizen motivation behind the witch claim. It really makes me wonder why Elspeth wasn't shot by the vig yet. I'm hinting at a possibility here and I am hoping that scum will do us a favor and kill Elspeth for it, thus eliminating the need for us to lynch Elspeth.

[FM Parcher]

I agree with Elspeth's gambit. Fuck the haters.

[FM Parcher]

You know what, I like it so much I'll support it by doing my own

I was a Veteran now I am a Reaper, Glissa converted me last night

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, then why you chose to bust your cult leader? Don't care about yourself anymore, hmm?

[FM Parcher]

nopie dopie

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

I agree with Elspeth's gambit. Fuck the haters.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I can only say one thing for now:

Good game, Glissa.

[FM Sandruu]

So lets get some of the facts straight:

Elspeth - claims witch
Meshuvel - Frozen N1
Mashrath - Frozen N1
Sandruu - Busdriven N1
Ugin - Busdriven N1
Domri Rade - claims Sheriff and checked Glissa Sunseeker as a reaper
Parcher - claims Vet, reapered by Glissa

Am I missign anything?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

No I claimed shittizen

[FM Tessebik]

I agree with Elspeth's gambit. Fuck the haters.

I would've agreed with the gambit had it not been for the confirmed vigilante in the game (which I, admittedly, failed to realize was a confirmed role in the setup, but the point still stands).

[FM Tibalt]

@Dack

Nice big colors just so you cant claim you missed them in your attempt to dodge.

This is still a worse plan that having a Jailor handle Elspeth and lynching Glissa. Why are you so set on seeing Elspeth lynched and not killed in some other way? I find this very odd.

Going with your new proposed plan means:
-Priest target is exposed
-No mason conversion
-Escort target is exposed (And we do not even know if we have an escort)
-Glissa could be Sasha and not be killed at all wasting a day

This is not logical at all. I have you pegged as a very intelligent player and your lines of logic trying to put Elspeth on a town lynch is setting off alarms for me. Can you justify why you are pushing so hard for this in spite of the fact better plans have been proposed?

[FM Tibalt]

23 hours Until days end.

FM Glissa Sunseeker (11 [L-7]):
FM Meshuvel, FM Sifa Grent, FM Baltrice, FM Parcher, FM Jace Beleren, FM Ravi Sengir, FM Ral Zarek, FM Ugin, FM Garruk Wildspeaker, FM Sorin Markov, FM Elspeth Tirel

[FM Nissa Revane]

I am a shittizen trying to draw attention from les scums. It might have worked except town is going full derp on me - meaning the scum don't have to worry about me, because town are all talking about shooting me dead.

Some history; the last person who claimed Day 1 as Witch was in FM XII and they were the Doctor. Scum left them alone because scum bought the witch claim. Town left them alone because they weren't a priority. This left the Doctor to heal his patients in peace.

I assumed there is at least one member of a mafia team who remembers FMXII and would perceive me as a Town PR trying to pull the same gambit. I'd hoped this would cause them to waste some effort on me.

Even if I had been the Witch, killing the Witch would have been a waste.

Yes, I claimed witch, but I never tried to act like one.

Sunseeker is scum. Her buddy Dack likely shares her alignment.

Why would you even want to gambit like this AS A CITIZEN?! Claiming witch REPEL attention from the scum, and now claiming citizen will also REPEL the scum. The only thing you did was you almost made vigilante waste a shot and brought so much FoS to you attention. I am sorry but I don't buy this.

You know what, I like it so much I'll support it by doing my own

I was a Veteran now I am a Reaper, Glissa converted me last night

Gamethrow much? There is a chance that Glissa isnt even a reaper at all. What would you do by then?

Because Glissa is at L-7, and less than 22 hours left, it is time to place my vote back again.

[FM Nissa Revane]

-vote Fm GlISsA SuNsEeKeR

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

All these gambits. Who can you trust? Who will you let close to you?

The Lord is a complex being. He decides how everything plays out. He giveth, but he also taketh. Be wary.. and afraid.

[FM Tibalt]

All these gambits. Who can you trust? Who will you let close to you?

The Lord is a complex being. He decides how everything plays out. He giveth, but he also taketh. Be wary.. and afraid.

Sense chat is so dead and all. Could you give some reads on other players? If you are as you say you are this could be your only opportunity to contribute to the town. I would think you would take advantage of these hours and give everything you can to help our cause.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Sense chat is so dead and all. Could you give some reads on other players? If you are as you say you are this could be your only opportunity to contribute to the town. I would think you would take advantage of these hours and give everything you can to help our cause.

It appears that you have not read an earlier post by me in which I stated enough for you to know.

Besides, preventing my death was not a possible task after many people have deemed me to be untrustworthy on analysis-basis alone, no matter my true alignment.

[FM Nissa Revane]

It appears that you have not read an earlier post by me in which I stated enough for you to know.

Besides, preventing my death was not a possible task after many people have deemed me to be untrustworthy on analysis-basis alone, no matter my true alignment.

This is why we are believing the sheriff instead of you.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

This is why we are believing the sheriff instead of you.

And that is why I have already long since given up on desperately preventing my lynch. It was doomed from the start, ever since the Sheriff revealed.

[FM Liliana Vess]

So be it.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

Still want Meshuval to answer my criticisms or to do something.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Why don't you help town then if you are town? What another edwin

[FM Venser]

Is it just me or is this really suspect. Sorins comment looks so strange to me. 'Ugh, my head.' I feel like this could very easily have been a pre-designed code. 'Say you are hungover if you X' Just something to keep in mind.

The only code here is that of debauchery.
FM Venser cracks open another bottle bourbon

Advantage to no Lynch Day 2:
Jailor on claimed witch->citizen suspect and judgement. Lookout can confirm jailor.
Purge Cult if it exists. Lookout can confirm confirm.

Disadvantages to no Lynch Day 2:
Kidnapper(s) - if there's more than ONE this is bad.
Scum has potential to discover TWO town roles in one night (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)
Neut Killer is unknown. MM could wipe out several town roles in one night. (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)

I'm keeping my -vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

It's the option that minimizes both risk and exposure of town to scum.

[FM Tibalt]

It appears that you have not read an earlier post by me in which I stated enough for you to know.

Besides, preventing my death was not a possible task after many people have deemed me to be untrustworthy on analysis-basis alone, no matter my true alignment.

Enough for me to know? This is not about saving your life. It is about doing all you can to further your claimed win condition. Its about giving what you can before it is too late. You point blank said 'I am going to take information to my grave'


Now at L5
19.5 hours until days end.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

The only code here is that of debauchery.
FM Venser cracks open another bottle bourbon

Advantage to no Lynch Day 2:
Jailor on claimed witch->citizen suspect and judgement. Lookout can confirm jailor.
Purge Cult if it exists. Lookout can confirm confirm.

Disadvantages to no Lynch Day 2:
Kidnapper(s) - if there's more than ONE this is bad.
Scum has potential to discover TWO town roles in one night (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)
Neut Killer is unknown. MM could wipe out several town roles in one night. (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)

I'm keeping my -vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

It's the option that minimizes both risk and exposure of town to scum.

Lynches don't affect the jailor's ability to jail.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Enough for me to know? This is not about saving your life. It is about doing all you can to further your claimed win condition. Its about giving what you can before it is too late. You point blank said 'I am going to take information to my grave'


Now at L5
19.5 hours until days end.

That's obviously what I want to do because, if you still haven't read my post and realized what I said: I ain't no medic. Dunno if I really had to spell that out to you. I want to take information to my grave. Not sure if there would be any scum role which would want to publicly give out information for everyone to see.

But man, this is going to be fun.

[FM Meshuvel]

So be it.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

Still want Meshuval to answer my criticisms or to do something.

I definitely did not forget about this game. Nothing happened to me last night, I believe. I haven't read D1 and tbh I cba to either so time to analysa two pages worth of stuff.



This post was bad, you spend it waffling on Nicol Bolas ("I'm not sure he is scum" - is he town? Is he leaning scum? What is your exact opinion on him) or speculating who's going to be culted and what roles scum have and not actually FoSing anyone or doing any sort of actual scumhunting. Then, almost an hour later, you drop a vote as if it's an afterthought instead of a primary concern.

-vote FM Meshuval

Why aren't you harping on at me then considering I didn't do squat day 1? His response was terrible though.

I third/fourth/Xth the idea of vigging the witch. Lynching is fine too.

Glissa is scum and I will sheep sheriff if need be.

First I do not agree that my post was bad. It is important place meaning behind actions, it is important to determine scums capabilities. Also, I didn't speculate at all on anyone being culted in that post.

Second, you seem to be suffering from fundamental attribution error where you . By your post, it sounds like you believe I sat here lurking for an hour after posting before I decided to FOS and vote. Possibly because you were projecting your own situation onto me. Saturdays are generally a very busy day for me and I did my best to keep up with posts on my phone and post when I could.

As for your own posts, your 9 total posts this game have been:

1. A poor FOS on me
2. A pointless warning about an early hammer
3. Doubting a scummy medic claim
4. Stating you voted without reading the vast majority of posts
5. Explaining your pointless early hammer warning
6. Trying to push your poor FOS on me
7. Misreading a previous post on why the kidnapper might target the witch
8. Deriding someone's lack of information without informing them
9. Sheeping and then again pushing your poor FOS on me

[FM Meshuvel]

The only code here is that of debauchery.
FM Venser cracks open another bottle bourbon

Advantage to no Lynch Day 2:
Jailor on claimed witch->citizen suspect and judgement. Lookout can confirm jailor.
Purge Cult if it exists. Lookout can confirm confirm.

Disadvantages to no Lynch Day 2:
Kidnapper(s) - if there's more than ONE this is bad.
Scum has potential to discover TWO town roles in one night (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)
Neut Killer is unknown. MM could wipe out several town roles in one night. (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)

I'm keeping my -vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

It's the option that minimizes both risk and exposure of town to scum.

FYI rules state there can be a maximum of 1 kidnapper.

Speaking of which, do you think the single jailed person should reveal today or wait till tomorrow incase the jailor did decide to go with the code plan and he does want to risk dying before revealing it.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

FYI rules state there can be a maximum of 1 kidnapper.

Speaking of which, do you think the single jailed person should reveal today or wait till tomorrow incase the jailor did decide to go with the code plan and he does want to risk dying before revealing it.

Better not to reveal, I'd say. This way the kidnapper can't claim jailor during the day because if he does he would have to guess who was jailed last night, and if he's wrong, he's dead. So from now on anyone who claims jailor has a way to immediately prove/disprove their claim.

[FM Tibalt]

D2 Notes

Name	Posts	Notes	Claimed Feedback
Ajani Goldmane	0	-	No
Ashoik	0	-	No
Baltrice	20	-	No
Chandar Nalaar	5	-	No
Dack Fayden	13	-	No
Domri Rade	31	-	Yes
Elspeth Tirel	16	-	No
Garruk Wildspeaker	3	-	Yes
Gideon Jura	Dead	Swiched Sandruu with Ugin	-
Glissa Sunseeker	19	Probable Cultist (Claimed Doc)	Yes
Jace Beleren	7	-	Yes
Jaya Ballard	0	-	No
Karn	3	-	Yes
Kiora Atua	0	-	No
Koth	0	-	No
Lilana Vess	9	-	Yes
Masrath	1	Claimed Role Blocked	Yes
Meshuvel	6	Claimed role blocked	Yes
Nicol Bolas	12	-	No
Nissa Revane	6	-	Yes
Parcher	Ral Zarek	7	Yes
Ravi Sengir	11	-	Yes
Sandruu	9	Claimed Bus Driven	Yes
Sarkhan Vol	3	D1 cit claim	Yes
Sifa Grent	10	-	No
Sorin Markov	3	-	No
Tamiyo	Dead	Cleaned by Janitor	-
Teferi	0	-	No
Tessebik	5	-	No
Tezzeret	11	-	No
Ugin	7	Claimed Bus Driven	Yes
Veser	23	-	Yes
Vesser	23	-	Yes
Vraska	35	-	Yes
Xenagos	0	-	No

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Nice table, but it's slightly off. Ral zerek somehow ended up in Parcher's row. Still quite useful though.

[FM Tibalt]

Nice table, but it's slightly off. Ral zerek somehow ended up in Parcher's row. Still quite useful though.

I will mess with it later. For now I would ask the rest of the players to claim nothing happened to you that night each day

[FM Sifa Grent]

I will mess with it later. For now I would ask the rest of the players to claim nothing happened to you that night each day

Mmm, I like that idea of yours. Free your mind of idle thought, I should say.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin wakes up and wanders over, he doesn't look like he is feeling to well. He comes over and tries to catch up, even though he does not feel too well.

[FM Ashiok]

Hello, up to page 6 so far, putting my vote on Glissa to bring her closer to lynch.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

[FM Meshuvel]

Glissa is at L4, I will unvote until we get closer to the end of the day

-vote unvote

[FM Ugin]

Hello ladies and gentlemen, I regret for missing out on yesterday's discussion. Well now that I'm here, I'd like to state that nothing happened to me last night

Also with Glissa on L-6, I'll restrain my vote until most people have posted. Though I do not support the plan of letting the conduit deal with the cult, it's always better to secure a kill on the scums
With Glissa claiming medic very early, I have little doubt that he is what he claims to be

Ugin would like to know why you were gone yesterday. Ugin would like to hear what you think about day 1.

I took no action.

I see no reason to aggravate the Town by taking actions. If I was watched last night and that player eventually reveals his results, they will confirm my testimony.

Ugin finds this odd.

I highlight this post for everybody else to read, because I can't make a single bit of sense of it.

I have claimed Witch with the intention of siding with any scum, yet Karn is asking me why I am concentrating on the Beast (the one Scum who I can't win with) and not hunting other scums?

Karn is reciting words he thinks sound pro-town without asking himself why he's saying them.

Ugin agrees with this even though you claim to be scummy role.

There's no point in claiming a dangerous role whose objective's are to defeat the town, which currently holds the majority. Claiming witch is most likely a way to get lynched as jester, or to prevent people from learning that you are a more dangerous killing role

Ugin knows better ways to get lynched as jester then claiming witch on no-lynch day.

Really, is this what you think? I don't believe you think I am a Jester. In your previous post you were telling me I am a threat because of my abilities as a Witch.

Natural scum response: when accused, accuse the accuser of being a Jester to destroy their credibility.

Ugin thinks that is the default defense. He thinks the other one is the OGMUS defense.

FM Vraska drops his face to his desk.

That self-centered playstyle.

I mean.

Who claims a anti-town role (Whose wincon is to defeat town) then sides with town?!

Vig 'em, boil 'em, mash 'em in a stew.

Just stop coming in and being such a distraction, in terms of daychat.

I'm getting Mazzy vibes over here.

Ugin would like you to elaborate on that. Ugin see you are good player and should know something like this. Ugin would like for you to elaborate why you think its mazzy vibe.

So let me get this straight comma we have someone who claims a scum role comma does not leave feedback when doing night actions comma claims that she did nothing comma claims that nothing happened to her last night comma wasnt even roleblocked and you want to stop talking about it question mark Really question mark exclamation point question mark

Im not willing to let someone who can mess with our actions off the hook so fast comma I dont believe her for one second that she did nothing last night and Im not gonna stand by while others try to hide her under the rug period

-vote FM Elspeth Tirel

I am a shittizen trying to draw attention from les scums. It might have worked except town is going full derp on me - meaning the scum don't have to worry about me, because town are all talking about shooting me dead.

Some history; the last person who claimed Day 1 as Witch was in FM XII and they were the Doctor. Scum left them alone because scum bought the witch claim. Town left them alone because they weren't a priority. This left the Doctor to heal his patients in peace.

I assumed there is at least one member of a mafia team who remembers FMXII and would perceive me as a Town PR trying to pull the same gambit. I'd hoped this would cause them to waste some effort on me.

Even if I had been the Witch, killing the Witch would have been a waste.

Yes, I claimed witch, but I never tried to act like one.

Sunseeker is scum. Her buddy Dack likely shares her alignment.

Ugin thinks this could be true.

All these gambits. Who can you trust? Who will you let close to you?

The Lord is a complex being. He decides how everything plays out. He giveth, but he also taketh. Be wary.. and afraid.

Ugin says you can trust no one but yourself.

FYI rules state there can be a maximum of 1 kidnapper.

Speaking of which, do you think the single jailed person should reveal today or wait till tomorrow incase the jailor did decide to go with the code plan and he does want to risk dying before revealing it.

Ugin thinks that people are stupid for not reading setup or are faking stupid.

[FM Ugin]

Hello, up to page 6 so far, putting my vote on Glissa to bring her closer to lynch.

-vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

Ugin greets you and would like to know if you were part of day 1. He thinks you were not and would like for you to elaborate on that.

[FM Liliana Vess]

First I do not agree that my post was bad. It is important place meaning behind actions, it is important to determine scums capabilities. Also, I didn't speculate at all on anyone being culted in that post.

Apologies, you were speculating on what might happen if someone is culted, which is irrelevant unless it actually happens. If cult recruits scum then cult knows who scum is whoa thanks for the insight there. It's just pointless fluff which just makes it look like you're contributing when you're not.

And no, it's not important to determine scum capabilities because if we discuss that we're too busying speculating on the setup compared to actually scumhunting people.

Second, you seem to be suffering from fundamental attribution error where you . By your post, it sounds like you believe I sat here lurking for an hour after posting before I decided to FOS and vote. Possibly because you were projecting your own situation onto me. Saturdays are generally a very busy day for me and I did my best to keep up with posts on my phone and post when I could.

That is not the point of what I said at all. I don't think you lurked for an hour I think you left before making a vote and came back, realised you hadn't voted and forced a vote out. (The reason for voting Ugin was for making a suggestion which was a bad idea? Town can do that too) Because you didn't vote in your first post, it's obvious that voting and scumhunting takes second priority to setupspeccing in your mind.

Misreading a previous post on why the kidnapper might target the witch
Deriding someone's lack of information without informing them

How did I misread at all?

Also, I'm not going to waste my time repeating what is already said in the thread.