Spoiler : cvote :
Spoiler : cvote :
the game with Dels where I also had him as scum on d2 but no one listened to me and then he eventually won the whole thing because I got shunned due to the #yetl debacle
@Voss does having an incomplete cvote affect the lynch slot?
Spoiler : cvote :
Bumping Mesk down since as far as I can tell she is "voting" Frinckles because he is having a strong debate with one of her town core reads. It's essentially a proxy omgus.
I was just about to say I am going to spend some time going over that post because at first glance I find myself in agreeance with what you are saying. There is a lot of pages I have to spend some time on since I was asleep/running around in the morning and only got to have a rather quick read through to get the gist of days progression.
Blink is 100% an interesting slot for lynch day 1, but there are other connections to look at.
Mesk basically sold on the fact he is town, pushes on you because you are pushing on blink. MM sheeping Blink so hard he changes his lynch priority to his top town read. At face value I can see a scum duo of MM/Mesk wrapping their hands around town Blink.
Much to think about. I'm back reading starting in 10 minutes after I have a darb
Is there anything actually prompting us to include everyone in our cvote? Because right now I feel like it could just ultimately turn into people having one person in their vote, or a small amount at most, since keeping your town reads in only gives them a small increase to their vote count
@Voss would be happy to answer this I'm sure.
If I had to guess, it's ranking the string from first to last. Anything not inputted is replaced with nothing and you are inputted with nothing.
Whats the best way to iso on this site?
@Voss how does the vote tally change when someone isn't voted?
Unless there's something I'm really not understanding it seems like not voting someone has a negative impact on them. Or people are voting without posting it, which I don't understand either.
Spoiler : Frinckles' huge post on Blink :
Yay, I was mislynched in the other game I was in, so I have time to play here more...! (not a serious yay lol)
Now to address this. @blinkskater Why in the world would Frinckles be Actress over any other scum role, really? That's REAAAALLLLYYYY weird.
And as the maker of the setup, I can tell you that there is no reason for scum to have a night 0 chat. There was no night 0, already, it was a start-of-game timer (if the setup is what I think it is, don't go and say I'm TMI-ing here).
And if you don't believe me... @naz Was there a night 0?
Now, the most of the rest of the spoilered post also makes absolute sense. The thing I hate there is that blink's town game is not logical. His scum game is. As town, he just doesn't care about his image much (if at all), and he relies on meta and gut reads a lot.
One thing with the post that makes little sense, though, even disgarding blink's meta. How does lying on the Actress' actual abilities benefit to scum!blink in any way? Plus, he knows I know how it works, I'm literally the setup maker. Anyone else could ask the Host about it, and it'd just suck for him because it'd be an unwanted kind of spotlight on him.
Now, I can't really call Frinckles' post scumpainty, nor can I call it logically wrong, disregarding blink's meta. But I can call it incomplete. What's missing there is the intent. The scum intent. Such a pile of accusations that make sense, when applied on a scum, fit with a set of scum intents. There's nothing around there looking like a scum intent, it just looks like Blink's crazy style lol.
I can't say you're scum for this case, either; I actually believe it's towny and pro-town, even though I tend to fall for long and coherent cases... You also don't fit with the scum meta of that Saloon hidden game, in which we were scummates. Still keeping a little eye on you, but this gives you townpoints, even though I don't agree with its conclusion.
Alright. I can understand being lost if you played with more or less noone here before lol, but what do you think about Frinckles and Rumox? Are you for or against policy lynches in general, and are you for or against policy lynching Efekannn02 in this specific game? @DS.
Gonna summarize my thoughts on the frinckles v blink controversy by saying frinckles is defo town and blink is null leaning town? I can’t believe a scum would make a post like that and as much as I like the good ol Freudian slip thought process, I have done similar things as town in the past. There was an FM where I called someone literally every single neutral role and he was a jester turned cult by the end. I don’t like the contents of blinks post but I’m also not sure that it really paints him as scum, if you catch my drift.
@Marshmallow Marshall
Please touch on this
That isn't something I'd exclude. He is playing in the general interest of the Town in his mind IMO, but that could come from neutral, yes.
The "Lynch meeee" thing is extremely ballsy as SK, though. Blink is ballsy, but I wonder if he would actually do that. It doesn't seem worth the risk.
Let's pretend you have a game of 13 players, call them A-M. You think A-C are all scum, in that order, and think player M is super towny, but don't really have opinions on D - L. As a result, all you submit is A,B,C
When you don't specify the complete order, you say that given the choice between pairings such as D/F, D/K/ E/J you don't care who gets executed. This is fine and expected.
However, the trouble comes along when the bot interprets your input as the following. if the vote right now were to come down between D or M, or J or M, you wouldn't care. However this is incorrect, because you think M is super towny. You clearly would rather have D-L executed over M.
The trouble with ranking A - M like so forces players to have an opinion on D - L, even when they don't. A slightly better system would be for the system to allow interpretations of equality between groups of people.
Fortunately, the system does. Unfortunately, I don't have an easy way for people to submit groups of people. If we were playing using the Narrator's vote interface, the problem would be much easier. Submitting it through text here, however, is difficult.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I don't think what MM said has any indication of blinkskater being town. He has essentially pocketed both Efekannn and Light_Yagami by saying they are both town (we all know those two just like to be town-read and they won't vote that person throughout the game). He said he wouldn't meta read them anymore, yet didn't change his opinion on either of them.
To add on that, blinkskater continues to say that I'm town and that I am justified in my push on him, but doesn't try to convince me to vote his way. I don't like the amount of people that haven't been considering the fact he might not be town.
Hmm... no, not exactly lol. You just don't feel particularly townie, and in a list of reads, I'd put you just just below null; however, Condorcet doesn't allow that. I don't mean specifically to lynch any of you, but removing Rumox from there and keeping my townreads up just end up doing that.
DS reminds me a bit of Yayap, but with a nicer attitude, I guess. I still have to see what he has to give, and for now, he has done nothing really towny; asked him for some specific thoughts, and his reply will make him go either up or down in the cvote.
you should name this new system “bird 2 voting”
Run like this
SCUMMIEST *
SCUMMIEST 2 *
TIED FOR 3, TIED FOR 3 *
SCUMMIEST 4*
* (gap because I don’t think any of these people are scummy enough to take position 5)
NULL READ, NULL READ 2, NULL READ 3 *
TOWNY PEOPLE
Have a predetermined character be a break between the groups.
That specific issue is pretty much the reason for which you two are being slated as 2nd and 3rd lynch choices in my cvote.
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About not considering Blink as potential scum: I do consider him as potential scum, in a 20% probability world maybe. But his play makes sense as town, he's creating a lot of interactions and analysing them, and he doesn't care too much about his image even though he's always self-conscious, no matter what his alignment is, while all of the "scum tells" are not appliable to him.
Townreading Light here isn't pocketing, it's really a foolproof meta read that has been lasting for both Blink and myself, blink to a larger extent though, because of which we can detect Light's alignment easily. I wholeheartedly agree with Blink there.
As for Efe, I don't know. The meta read isn't as strong as it is with Light, because Efe could easily fake his "town" meta as scum. How he plays literally benefits scum, anyway... his creates chaos that isn't useful, just derailing chaos. That's why I say he needs to go.
Even though that Mag post is about lynching me, I gotta say he explained his views on scumpainting early on. He said it was pro-town to scumpaint a bit and all, and it's not the first game in which he says it, nor is he the only person to say that (Distorted believes that too for example).
MM, just reading your play this game has made me feel you've been on the fence far too much. Even your read on me, your second strongest scum-read, is not very strong, and your read on Efekannn02 is a policy lynch. You commented on my interaction with Stealthbomber16, but why did you never even push that onto me or him? It seems like you're playing way too cautiously for a town player trying to win the game.
Okay, granted lol.
Also. The Frinckles - Blink argument reminds me of the TvT argument I put up in Black Flag Nightless II (I think it was the II, it was hosted by the God-King Deathworlds at least) with Distorted.
To clarify, I mean that they're both making logical points about why the other is scummy (okay blink's points aren't exactly logical and a lot of them are trash honestly, but that's another topic) without adding INTENT to it, they're having something that could be called an extensive theory debate, and each genuinely thinks it's AI for the other person while it's not. The involvement in such a thing and the fact that they both accept to make it the center of the discussion of D1 is towny per se. That's what I was trying to say earlier, but now I think I found the right words.
You're next I'm taking care of the center of attention first, and it happens to be Frinckles - Blink. Don't be jealous, I'm going to ISO you soon (actually right now, but I don't know if I'll be able to finish before having to go).
But yes, not having actual scumreads bothers me...
Attempting to make someone look scummy that you already think is scum is one thing. Attempting to make someone look scummy who you don't have any reason to think they're scum is anti-town at best and pro-scum at worst. I may have to re-read what he said but I disagree with this completely.