Premise 1: "No D1 lynch" stance, while an unpopular opinion, is not a scum tell by itself
Premise 2: All things being equal, rational arguments will always weight more to the town than declaration of beliefs & emotional outbursts.
Premise 3: Considering rationals brought for D1 lynch objectively outweighted the few brought in favor of no lynch, D1 Lynch should have been the default choice for town.
D1 vote reminder:
SCVmurderer (4): Mesk, Hybrid, MM, mrtrophywife
TDL (4): SJ, Player, xramza, SCVmurderer
Abstained (3): Dr Unknown, Otakudeepweb, TDL
Presumed AFK: Nawa
Now let me do a subjective list to summarize how I felt about the stance of each of you on that matter. I've heard you liked lists, so enjoy lurkers.
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SJ: Actually a bit surprised you bought TDL's defense that easily darling. Please explain what I've missed as I genuinely supported your arguments in favor of D1 Lynch.
EoD, did you think no lynch was actually better than ChooChoo on either TDL or SCV? They both got decent enough reasons to be in. Also found the 4/4 vote spread
pretty weird, as if some of us voters purposely worked against merging blocks just so the lynch can't happen (cf Premise 3). I can't wait to read your thoughts on this.
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xramza: I believe we were on a similar line, so at least thanks for having been on the SJ train with me. Also for being the one to tell why town should aim for D1 lynch, still believe your statement stands unchallenged
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MM: You gave fair argumentation to push D1 lynch and did actually try to push for it, so whatever your alignment, the town thank you for your coherence on this topic
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SCV: your motives for voting TDL were indeed impure, and you left many questions unaddressed, but still, you voted, and survival is decent enough of a reason to me. Doesn't clear you at all of your scummy vibe but at least
on this specific issue your behaviour makes sense
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Hybrid & Mesk: gods knows I don't want to acknowledge your "town block", my wild guess on Hybrid is he's just playing dumb, Mesk on the other hand you really started to scare me.
Are you dumb? Make the mother fuckers claim or the get the rope. If tdl claims a fucking PTR, are you still gonna lynch him? It's EOD, get a claim!
Implying, you just have to claim any ptr under pressure and you're free to go? if that's the standard way of playing, forgive my noobiness because to me it seems silly saying that. "If SCV claims a fucking ptr are you still gonna lynch him?" is just as much sense/nonsense, and as a fellow borderline inactive cit I believe you don't have any objective info regarding why SCV and not TLV ? Won't buy any meta talk on this matter unless well argumented.
jumping on the tel bandwagon is opportunistic as fuck....
you mean the SCV choochoo you're in?
you all have like 0 reason to be voting him lol
0 reasons to vote TDL really? Either I've missed a HUGE tell about TDL towniness, but so far he has not contributed at all except his MM tunnel.
MM tunnel which could well have been a scummy setup, like he's saying this D1, MM dies N1, flip Town, then in case a lookout claim TDL killed MM, TDL only has to say "yeah it's true, im the vig, sorry but he was susp af" to get away with it
More on it in TDL part
i dont think so... cause... im not gonna hammer
once again, why? Because you're so certain TDL is town? How can you be? It's either that, or you wanting to SEEM to be wanting a lynch, when in fact you either glad about SCV lynch or fine about nolynch (typical scum pov)
im pretty damn town, with my citizen ass.... look at me, I started a small train and i haven't budged. i am a real, town member! unlike this SCVMurderer fuck!
Your citizen claim doesn't amuse me anymore, won't believe you unless you radically change your gameplay and start giving explanations (still I bet it won't happen)
TDL, while a total bitch kid....... he's obviously town!
Yeah so obviously. Would be a nice joke if only your bullshit didn't blocked D1 lynch (see premise 3 again)
Then SJ tries to talk some sense into you but you just overlook it and go on gesturing
That behaviour make zero sense to me from your citizen claim perspective. The TDL case was objectively more serious at this point, yet you dismissed SJ points like it was nothing and seemed eager to either choochoo low-hanging-fruit-SCV or to get a de facto no lynch day.
I'm ready to take my tin foil hat off to evoke the possibility of you and TDL being maf because of this... That's the extend of my naivety. You could then say you consider d1 claims bs, but as SJ said, it's not a citizen pov if D1 is just a glorified pre-chat with no consequences
You better justify yourself on this and also on how you're helping town, if you want us to actually believe your cit claim at this point...
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Otakudeepweb: You not showing up to vote is actually giving weight to what SJ suggested about you. Rereading your posts you commented stuff but didn't apply any real pressure on anybody, so to keep me believing you're town, you better have a really good explanation on this.
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TDL: I'll give you that, I liked the fact you were the first to firmly speak against the mainstream D1 lynch idea and try to justify it.
Still, I've still got big, BIG concerns with your play so I hope now you're "confirmed Vig" you'll take time to address them. Didn't see you acting townish at all, I see in this order
xramza saying we should lynch d1 at page 1, meanwhile you: no contribution, no contribution, sudden well written MM tunnel, no contribution, no contribution, sudden "btw we shouldn't vote" <6h before EoD, rationals are being presented to you, still you maintain your position but gave no argumentation, only your beliefs (judge vig jailor scenarios, still objectively weak vs certainty of night kill), meanwhile still no contribution, then we got to get you to L-2 to finally force you to contribute. And then you take that shitty stance "your play was shit, im disgusted, fucking stupid town lynch me actually" like we should be sorry for suspecting you. LOL man I don't buy this at ALL.
Because I still respect SJ and SJ still respect you I won't draw definitive conclusions about your play, but if you're that good, what purpose served the initial MM tunnel, and aside that what did you do for the town exactly? Truly I cannot see. You made zero contribution besides that, I believe a competent TPR would at least leave some simple opinions there and there precisely to not raise sudden suspicion and dumbly being forced to claim.
Everyone overlooked my post #689 where I said
Also the Vig soft claim may well been an attempt to setup a future Vig claim.
Still x% tinfoil Jester imo, maybe a fair 7 or 8%
Was before you were forced to claim Vig. Actually I believe Vig is the most spontaneous thing to claim for mafia, but maybe I'm very wrong about this seeing nobody brought that up and was like you're obvious town (LOL MESK)
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Dr Unknown: While I can pass on your limited written contributions, your abstention will definitely need explanations. +Scum points for this unless you can explain with proper reasoning why didn't you vote.
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Mrtrophywife: I'm kinda confused, your first post literally was
Jumping to conclusions and starting a bandwagon pretty much always goes in the scums favor. Wouldn't do that
Found that a bit inconsistent with you jumping on the SCV wagon in the end.
Very good points from all. My easily impressionable mind has changed lol. I prefer to go off of what someone has said to appear scum, not a lack of communication
Here you're either genuine, or laying back, not defending your own point of view but trying to do what you think please Town the most. Really could not say.
Oh shoot! Sorry, I didn't conceptualize time. Don't like to bite the bullet like this, and forgive me if I vote and something massive happens.*
Right now, the only ones that's given me a twinge of suspicious are scv and Hybrid, but honestly I feel like he's just messing around as a bored townie I can sense it.*
-vote Scvmurderer
Now I may be paranoïd but I literally read this as
"Sorry if I vote bad
- vote Lowhangingfruit"
Again, got a slight "look at me Town I'm helping" vibe, Hybrid and SCV being the obvious scummy for the mainstream. Voting TDL wasn't even an option for you (less obvious, yet more grounded at the time IMO). The fact you didn't pay attention to this switched my opinion on you to slight town lean to slight scum lean. If you DID consider it but didn't even mention it because reasons, please explain these to me, atm I'm wary of you.