"Day VI: 7th Heaven" Discussion Thread

[Raiden]

Day VI: 7th Heaven

Players revealed so far:
Rita = monster = Vigilante
Katherine = TheJackofSpades = Cult Leader
Mya = Goonswarm = Sephiroth
Noelle = Elixir = Ghost
Ted = Ambient = Citizen

Midgar Population:
Alec
Ashlyn
Edna
Evan
George
Jaret
Lois
Lukas
Marc
Mya
Noelle
Omar
Peter
Ted
Yren

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Roles:
Rufus (Consigliere)
Sephiroth (One Winged Angel)
Yuffie (Ninja)
Hidden Benign Neutral
Aeris (Doctor)
Journalist
Barrier Materia Trader (Armorsmith)
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Possible hidden roles:
Mafia: Consigliere, Consort, Disguiser, Mystify Materia Trader (Drug Dealer), Enforcer, Framer, Grave Robber, Janitor, Gunner (Mafioso).
Benign Neutral: Amnesiac, Executioner, Ghost, Jester, Student, Survivor, Witch.
Town: Bodyguard, Exit Materia Trader (Bus Driver), Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Jailor, Journalist, Investigator, Lookout, Cetra Ancient (Mason), Cop (Sheriff), Veteran, Vigilante.

All of the Hidden Mafia (Red) has been accounted for.
All of the Hidden Mafia (Orange) has been accounted for.
1 Hidden Benign Neutral has been accounted for.
2 Hidden Town Power Role has been accounted for.
There has been 1 role cleaned. Therefore, there will be 1 more role in the roles list than there are players.

Some of the roles above may or may not have unique RP names. You will eventually discover them while playing.

Graveyard:
Arthur (Cloud (Amnesiac)): pierced through the chest by a thin blade and subsequently impaled on a metal pole. [Night I]
Tracy (? ? ?): ? ? ? [Night I]
Lionel (Scarlet (Gunner (Mafioso))): thrown off the roof of a tall building by the angered crowd. [Day II]
Erika (Jenova-injected Investigator): impaled near Cloud's corpse. [Night II]
Riley (Citizen): thrown into a Mako Reactor engine. [Night II]
Lucinda (Tseng (Disguiser)): struck by day lightning, called by the use of a Thunder materia. [Day III]
Katherine (Prof. Hojo (Cult Leader)): shot in the head right outside of his now destroyed lab. [Night III]
Barry (Jenova-injected behemoth... i mean Citizen): blown up in the huge explosion that destroyed Hojo's laboratory while trying to protect his master. [Night III]
Herman (Cop (Sheriff)): vaporized by the Mako Beam. [Night III]
Fiona (Citizen): impaled on a cross-shaped metal pole. [Night III]
Isaac (Citizen): died of an heart attack at the local hospital [Modkilled]. [Night III]
Warren (Citizen): beaten to death by the angered crowd. [Day IV]
Carson (Elena (Consort)): shot in the back of the head by a vigilante. [Day IV]
Glen (Rude (Mystify Materia Trader (Drug Dealer))): shot in the head after a gunfight against Vincent Valentine. [Night IV]
Rita (Vincent Valentine (Vigilante)): crushed beneath the plate above Sector 7. [Night IV]
Deirdre (Heidegger (Jenova-injected Janitor)): did not survive the cleansing of Jenova cells in his body. [Night IV]
Janice (President Shinra (Godfather)): executed by a shady individual who called himself "The Jailor". [Night V]
Shawna (Reno (Framer)): executed by a shady individual who called himself "The Jailor". [Night V]
Wendy (Tifa (Escort)): poisoned to death by Rufus Shinra's pet. [Night V]
Connie (Cetra Ancient (Mason): killed while in mission to Midgar. [Night V]
Michael (Citizen): died in the hospital of the same illness that caused Isaac's heart attack [modkilled]. [Night V]

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Day 6 will end October 31st 2011 @9 p.m. CEST. It will require 10 votes to deadlynch.

[Illidan]

Turks chat open for the dead!

[Katherine]

Jaret, y u so bad at healing?

[Rita]

shawna's last will fucking epic
GG incoming in a few hours I feel
sucks being the ghost

[Katherine]

@Yayap:
I hope you now realize the error in fucking with me. I am so good that I can out the reds, and defeat your mafia before theirs without even knowing your identities AFTER I am dead. Also, just because someone vests the night you attack them, doesn't mean they are cult leader, but it does mean they are intelligent.

[Glen]

@Yayap:
I hope you now realize the error in fucking with me. I am so good that I can out the reds, and defeat your mafia before theirs without even knowing your identities AFTER I am dead. Also, just because someone vests the night you attack them, doesn't mean they are cult leader, but it does mean they are intelligent.

Why are you mad? It's just a forum game.

[Katherine]

Who says I'm mad?

[Herman]

The tone of the first line gives that impression on the first read through.

Also... Shawna was Yayap not George. Rofl. Rofl. Rofl.

[Deirdre]

WHY MUST WE BE SO UNLUCKY!? IT IS AS IF THE GODS THEMSELVES WILLED US ALL TO DIE!! T.T

[Deirdre]

RIP Ashlyn, your services to Shinra (and, though you may not have known it, to Hojo ;D) will never be forgotten... 'tis a sad day.

[Lionel]

I have a question about Noelle the Ghost. My assumption was that her target (the one who killed her) was decided... well, obviously after she died - so I'm assuming it's not a pre-arranged thing like an Executioner.

In the very likely event that Noelle survives until the end, does she succeed? She doesn't have a killer and it doesn't say anything about that in the role card.

I think it's hilarious if she fails because of that; I was even attributing some of her rudeness and aggressiveness to the fact that she wanted to be targeted by the Mafia.

[Katherine]

Elixir will lose this game. He played too passively after I flipped the chess board.

[Lucinda]

For the record glen, I did try to survive. I had thought that was my best chances, as I didn't know what else I could claim. If I had tried to claim that the escort was lying, I would have gotten lynched cuz he got masoned, not that I knew that. Armorsmith was claimed, vigil can day shoot me, I had no evidence of being a jailor, claiming a neutral probably wasn't gonna allow me to live.

Also, why the hell is yuffie/grave robber able to steal jailor? That is kinda OP......

I have left a gift for all dead people in orange mafia chat.

And here is my "Gift" from mafia chat:

Hello guys, as you may have figured I'm the ascendedone. For those of you in dead chat, this is my storyline objective.

Storyline Objective: Successfully disguise as a power role and survive for 3 or more days afterwards

[Wendy]

sup haters

i send a few of you down here i hope you wont be giving me a hard time

[Katherine]

I nominate Zack for being the whiniest scum ever at the end of a game.

[Wendy]

lul

im sad i died

If false the cocksucker chose to help yayap after the whole fiasco i'd shoot myself in the head.

can we see jail chats?

thank you

[Glen]

Since SK has black materia doesn't he kill jailor AND the person he wants to kill? I will rofl if he kills Yuffie.

Edit: Alright, my bad Lucinda

[Wendy]

why do you think he has black materia? why is everyone saying that?
i blocked him again, he didnt kill
derp moar

[Barry]

the one thing I'm confused about is how did shawna know lionel was red mafia? Was that really just a gambit? If it was well played, one of the better moments of such a boring and lopsided victory for the town.

[Wendy]

the one thing I'm confused about is how did shawna know lionel was red mafia? Was that really just a gambit? If it was well played, one of the better moments of such a boring and lopsided victory for the town.

READ

[Glen]

why do you think he has black materia? why is everyone saying that?
i blocked him again, he didnt kill
derp moar

Connie was sent to recruit Mya but he died, resulting in Mya's 4th kill i believe.

[Wendy]

why do you believe he was sent on Mya? Connie was sent on Ashlyn like i recommended yesterday i believe.
Connie didnt leave a LW and Alec isnt there yet to confirm
I dont think he made 4 kills and I believe there would be an announcement about it if he did

[Katherine]

Why would mismasoning count towards the Black Materia? Doesn't make any sense.

[Lucinda]

Why would mismasoning count towards the Black Materia? Doesn't make any sense.

Well, why not? SK isn't a strong killer regardless of the bonuses he gets in this forum mafia. He gets 6 kills every 5 turns, only two of them have any immunity piercings etc. And he does kill them, why wouldn't he take their souls while hes at it?

[Katherine]

He's actually incredibly strong in these settings. Almost OP, even.

[Arthur]

While the GG is coming I'd like to say this: All non-town (except for Peter) absolutely failed this game.

Nearly. Every. Single. Thing. The. Scum. Did. Helped. Town. Because. Hurting. Other. Scum. Is. Obviously. Smart. Hurr. Durr.

[Katherine]

I had my reasons but I won't waste my time explaining myself again.

[Lucinda]

He's actually incredibly strong in these settings. Almost OP, even.

Not really, arsonist and spree killer were twice as good as these sk settings as spree killer can kill multiple people at night, and should at least get one a night (Last spree killer failed so hard compared to what he should have realistictly done), and arsonist could either kill once a day piercing healing and night time vests, or kill them off in batches piercing healing and night time vests, finally being roleblocked doesn't stop you from detonating, nor is it even an indicator of whether or not your evil. 6 kills over 5 nights is hardly "OP" not even close really.

[Deirdre]

Mya is unwise... she could just use supernova and the whole town would be bored to death... Live and learn...

[Katherine]

He's actually incredibly strong in these settings. Almost OP, even.

Not really, arsonist and spree killer were twice as good as these sk settings as spree killer can kill multiple people at night, and should at least get one a night (Last spree killer failed so hard compared to what he should have realistictly done), and arsonist could either kill once a day piercing healing and night time vests, or kill them off in batches piercing healing and night time vests, finally being roleblocked doesn't stop you from detonating, nor is it even an indicator of whether or not your evil. 6 kills over 5 nights is hardly "OP" not even close really.

The only weakness the SK in this game had was being roleblocked. Being uncultable, unkillable, undetectable with the ability to pierce any form of protection twice every 5 nights?

I mean yeah, the arsonist from FMIV was better, but that's because the FM IV Arsonist was op as fucking balls, and the FMV one was only slightly less so due to the fact that they were not immune to death at night.
And the spree killer has MAJOR drawbacks so you can't even argue on that front.

So saying the SK in this game is borderline op is still correct, because the only thing you're comparing it to is something that IS Op.

[Wendy]

I wonder what would happen if cult didnt get wiped out... sk would still go undiscovered and probably charge his doublekill....and kill shawna with it.
OH THE SURPRISE.

[Wendy]

Welcome to Hell Zack. As a little reminder, this is the second time i die by your hand.

[Lucinda]

The only weakness the SK in this game had was being roleblocked. Being uncultable, unkillable, undetectable with the ability to pierce any form of protection twice every 5 nights?

I mean yeah, the arsonist from FMIV was better, but that's because the FM IV Arsonist was op as fucking balls, and the FMV one was only slightly less so due to the fact that they were not immune to death at night.
And the spree killer has MAJOR drawbacks so you can't even argue on that front.

So saying the SK in this game is borderline op is still correct, because the only thing you're comparing it to is something that IS Op.

I did not mean to compare to forum mafia 4, only forum mafia 5. Regardless, killing neutrals should be a bit stronger in forum mafia to stand a good chance against larger enemy groups. I do not see the slight advantages the killing neutrals had in forum mafia 5 to be OP. The chance spree killer would get a good spree is pretty small in forum mafia, but I believe the mere chance of getting multiple kills brings the spree killer up to the level he needs to be in forum mafia.

[Katherine]

Um dude, the thing that made the Arsonist most OP in FM4 was the fact that they could burn during the day. The arsonist in FM5 had the same ability.

[Lionel]

Enough of this talk, let's focus on the real issue here.

I like trains.

This man has a good taste, he would have made a good Shinra employee.

[Lucinda]

Um dude, the thing that made the Arsonist most OP in FM4 was the fact that they could burn during the day. The arsonist in FM5 had the same ability.

True, but he also could not die at night, there was no way to prevent him from detonating. Unless a jailor could kill it, I don't remember. Were there jailors in forum mafia 4? At least in forum mafia 5, a vigil could day shoot him before he detonated if his auto vest got destroyed.

[Herman]

The arsonist might be denied the burn if a mayor or someone quickly hammered them while they were trying to defend. Only likely late in the game when the mayor can hammer very quickly.

In any case, I don't think day burn is that overpowered as long as the neutral killer can't be culted. A powerful neutral killer in the cult is bad news for the game. I mean if the arsonist lives 5 rounds and has somehow doused people who are still alive they deserve to get some kills. Being able to stop all that kpn with a lynch does add a lot of tension to the game of course.

[Lucinda]

The arsonist might be denied the burn if a mayor or someone quickly hammered them while they were trying to defend. Only likely late in the game when the mayor can hammer very quickly.

Not really, it would be fairly easy to burn as soon as the vote reachs a certain count. I suppose it is techically possible, but I just don't see it as that likely. A vigil shot would be sudden and unpredictable.

[Shawna]

the one thing I'm confused about is how did shawna know lionel was red mafia? Was that really just a gambit? If it was well played, one of the better moments of such a boring and lopsided victory for the town.

My second last will explained how I found Lionel. He slipped something only both mafia knew, I was surprised no one else pointed it out.

[Deirdre]

Um dude, the thing that made the Arsonist most OP in FM4 was the fact that they could burn during the day. The arsonist in FM5 had the same ability.

True, but he also could not die at night, there was no way to prevent him from detonating. Unless a jailor could kill it, I don't remember. Were there jailors in forum mafia 4? At least in forum mafia 5, a vigil could day shoot him before he detonated if his auto vest got destroyed.

I was the jailor in FM V, and I assure you that I never would have the skill to find and execute the arsonist before he burned (nor would I even be given the opportunity since lynching is pretty much a guarantee in good towns).

[Lionel]

Holy craaappppp Shawna I feel like an idiot, how did I let a scum tell like that slip through?

Oh well valuable experience, my first time as Mafia and my first FM on this site amongst observant players

[Wendy]

To give myself some credit, I noticed it, but I couldnt come out with it because i knew if yayap was evil he was gonna shoot/cult me.
It also wasnt a complete scumtell for he simply didnt exclude every possibility, i read it over and over. Yes it was peculiar but only if you knew what exactly happened to the kill (only me and mafia knew that)

[Lionel]

Looking back, I was alluding to the fact that the Turks were the one with the confirmed Consort.

[Katherine]

Looking back, I was alluding to the fact that the Turks were the one with the confirmed Consort.

That's how I interpreted it, honestly IMO it seems more like luck that you were correct but who knows.

[Lionel]

Looking back, I was alluding to the fact that the Turks were the one with the confirmed Consort.

That's how I interpreted it, honestly IMO it seems more like luck that you were correct but who knows.

Well Consort wasn't a hidden role, it was revealed from the start.

I suppose I was quick to suggest that it was much more likely to have an Escort rather than another Consort, but honestly I think I wrote much scummier tells than this ^^ I don't see anything wrong with suggesting the remote possibility that Riley might have claimed being blocked to avoid looking like a member of the Orange Mafia.

[Barry]

Looking back, I was alluding to the fact that the Turks were the one with the confirmed Consort.

That's how I interpreted it, honestly IMO it seems more like luck that you were correct but who knows.

same here, it was kind of suspicous but not slam dunk lionel is mafia suspcious when I first looked at it.

[Barry]

Though I didn't notice it as much because by the time I read the thread Shawna had allready accused Lionel of being mafia.

[Arthur]

-Dead Lynch Ted

C'mon guys. We need to find out his role/COM name.

[Shawna]

Lynch Ted

[Barry]

-vote ted