S-FM 348: Standoff

[Marshmallow Marshall]

that would mean only 2 TPR : either tailor & bar tender or Snitch & bartender. I don't buy it.

I mean, that is assuming there isn't town investigator, which is a very strong role, and tailor being scum - because there is no way on Earth town tailor does anything lol.

[ikarusdk]

r u saying you're poisoned ?

No, I'll probably get killed. I'm not poisoned.

[ikarusdk]

If scum kills people outside me, then it really narrows down the list and town will still have my vote.

[Loldebite]

I mean, that is assuming there isn't town investigator, which is a very strong role, and tailor being scum - because there is no way on Earth town tailor does anything lol.

wow yeah that was fucking stupid, scratch that, guess I'm tired

[Wiml]

Because I'm dying if we sleep

Fine by me tbh.

Death, if town, gets an extra scan or dies.
Death, if wolf, has a more difficult claim to have to justify.

In the off chance that you're lying (especially because your claim soft ccs Varcron's who was maybe tailored) you are more likely to be found and if you're town then less effort is spent tinfoiling you.

If a wolf is Poisoned they will die as well.

Minimal downside unless I'm missing something.

[ikarusdk]

Killing lol or death reveals the other is scum and vice versa
Killing citizen will also narrow down the list to choice of 3 people.

I'm the obvious candidate for night kill

[ikarusdk]

Choice of 2 I mean

[Loldebite]

Good news is that vittae is actually locktown now that they pushed DW

[Loldebite]

so actually, vittae's dying

[Loldebite]

So it's either Miz or MM scum mate with DW

So it's MM ? Ez game ?

[Loldebite]

Yeah actually I'm pretty sure pod was right

[Wiml]

Killing lol or death reveals the other is scum and vice versa
Killing citizen will also narrow down the list to choice of 3 people.

I'm the obvious candidate for night kill

You're not 100% cleared town so it's a net positive for you to die than not to since it reduces the pool.

[Loldebite]

I think we should lynch today, just in case something happens but odds are that we are safe enough to sleep I guess ?
No point in hammering tho I guess

[ikarusdk]

If I live tonight, they will kill one of citizen claims, and and scum kills one of citizen then it comes down to two choices, and that will be so hard because death will either say they are citizen or scum whether or not death is a wolf.

We should lynch lol or death today

[ikarusdk]

You're not 100% cleared town so it's a net positive for you to die than not to since it reduces the pool.

Yeah but read my previous post, it will just be another stalemate minus me.

[Loldebite]

If I live tonight, they will kill one of citizen claims, and and scum kills one of citizen then it comes down to two choices, and that will be so hard because death will either say they are citizen or scum whether or not death is a wolf.

We should lynch lol or death today

I'm not sure I follow, death can't tell if someone's scum if he's town he detects only roles, not aligments. Besides, we're already down to two choices...

Also I stand by my point : I'd rather you die 10000 times than vittae dying
especially since me staying in the game means that dw has flipped scum for everyone to see

[ikarusdk]

In another words, deaths scan unfortunately cannot be trusted whoever ends up dying.

[Loldebite]

Even if I come out of the thunderdome alive I'm not the best kill because by dying I clear a cit

[ikarusdk]

I'm not sure I follow, death can't tell if someone's scum if he's town he detects only roles, not aligments. Besides, we're already down to two choices...

Also I stand by my point : I'd rather you die 10000 times than vittae dying
especially since me staying in the game means that dw has flipped scum for everyone to see

Ah yes, but a PR hiding in citizen claim list is the obvious wolf

[Loldebite]

Ah yes, but a PR hiding in citizen claim list is the obvious wolf

Sure, but even t!dw isn't that likely to find him - if he goes at it at random, it's a 1/3.

[Wiml]

I think we should lynch today, just in case something happens but odds are that we are safe enough to sleep I guess ?
No point in hammering tho I guess

We always sleep yes.

If you're town then sleeping today makes Death's claim significantly harder to maintain because we can control who Death targets and force them to commit to a second scan.

For example, if wolf-Death fake scans another player as mafia then we would only need to townread one of the both of you to know that Death is lying (ignoring role interference here).

[Loldebite]

We always sleep yes.

If you're town then sleeping today makes Death's claim significantly harder to maintain because we can control who Death targets and force them to commit to a second scan.

For example, if wolf-Death fake scans another player as mafia then we would only need to townread one of the both of you to know that Death is lying (ignoring role interference here).

Yeah I guess if he confirms a cit it's a win, true.

[Loldebite]

Wait no, because there's a scum among the cits

[Wiml]

Yeah but read my previous post, it will just be another stalemate minus me.

Yes and that's an improvement.

You could be mafia. You're not confirmed to be town beyond any doubt. So you dying would remove that possibility for the rest of us and since you have a will you can put your thoughts in that.

[Loldebite]

Yeah it doesn't really make his life harder, it boils down to WIFOM between if he cleared his scummate hidden amongst cits or if he cleared an actual cit

[ikarusdk]

If sleeping is what we should do then I will sleep.

But I 100% believe we need to lynch today and I'll post why later when jm on pc

[Mizery]

Absolutely correct. DW has forced me into a thunderdome.

right conclusion way long wrong reasoning

[ikarusdk]

Yeah it doesn't really make his life harder, it boils down to WIFOM between if he cleared his scummate hidden amongst cits or if he cleared an actual cit

Regardless I dont think we can trust deaths scan whether he is town or not

[ikarusdk]

And that's why we should lynch death or lol today.

[Loldebite]

right conclusion way long wrong reasoning

Uh ? I took might've took a shortcut but by claiming I'm not the role I am, he kinda forced my hand. I mean sure I could've let him go away with the lie but that's beyond ridiculous, why would I ever do that

[Mizery]

Fine by me tbh.

Death, if town, gets an extra scan or dies.
Death, if wolf, has a more difficult claim to have to justify.

In the off chance that you're lying (especially because your claim soft ccs Varcron's who was maybe tailored) you are more likely to be found and if you're town then less effort is spent tinfoiling you.

If a wolf is Poisoned they will die as well.

Minimal downside unless I'm missing something.

learning that tailor only has one shot means ikarus' death confirms the world we live in regardless so it doesn't matter if they kill him or death or lol

[Loldebite]

right conclusion way long wrong reasoning

oh you meant his post lol

Yeah I plead guilty - didn't actually pay attention beyond the conclusion

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah I guess if he confirms a cit it's a win, true.

Sorry if I'm confused (which I honestly am lol), but from your point of view, how does Deathworlds ever confirm a cit? Isn't he supposed to be like 100 % scum to you, according to what you're saying?

[Loldebite]

And that's why we should lynch death or lol today.

that's not a good reason to lynch today

[Wiml]

Yeah it doesn't really make his life harder, it boils down to WIFOM between if he cleared his scummate hidden amongst cits or if he cleared an actual cit

Doesn't matter, we are likely going to choose who he targets and force him to follow through.

And even if that target is a wolf, if we mistakenly townread them then it still benefits us in the end as scum-Death would die.

Also there's the whole benefit of somebody who isn't guaranteed to be town getting cleared as town by dying.

[Mizery]

You're not 100% cleared town so it's a net positive for you to die than not to since it reduces the pool.

if they killed lol or death then it confirms the other one is a wolf.

it again doesn't matter anymore since ikarus' death does the same thing

[ikarusdk]

Yes and that's an improvement.

You could be mafia. You're not confirmed to be town beyond any doubt. So you dying would remove that possibility for the rest of us and since you have a will you can put your thoughts in that.

I was speaking through my POV and I put myself in your shoes.

That is correct. It is an improvement. But because I know I am town, I'd much rather see death or lol go because then I'll know who is the scum PR.

[Mizery]

Uh ? I took might've took a shortcut but by claiming I'm not the role I am, he kinda forced my hand. I mean sure I could've let him go away with the lie but that's beyond ridiculous, why would I ever do that

nah yeah confirmed 1 wolf in you/death because conflicting claims

[Loldebite]

Doesn't matter, we are likely going to choose who he targets and force him to follow through.

And even if that target is a wolf, if we mistakenly townread them then it still benefits us in the end as scum-Death would die.

Also there's the whole benefit of somebody who isn't guaranteed to be town getting cleared as town by dying.

> And even if that target is a wolf, if we mistakenly townread them then it still benefits us in the end as scum-Death would die.

I don't follow, sorry.

Yeah 1 people dying is always simplifying, true

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait no, because there's a scum among the cits

Yeah it doesn't really make his life harder, it boils down to WIFOM between if he cleared his scummate hidden amongst cits or if he cleared an actual cit

...what

[Mizery]

if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute

[Wiml]

If sleeping is what we should do then I will sleep.

But I 100% believe we need to lynch today and I'll post why later when jm on pc

Sleeping at mylo is a very common occurrence and basically always happens unless one it is literally impossible for at least one player to be a wolf since there are only upsides.

[Loldebite]

...what

Shut up, you're bad at pretending you're stupid. Please forfeit so I can sleep on my laurels.

[ikarusdk]

if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute

What is v/v?

[Loldebite]

if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute

...

FFS I guess there's a world where bartender fucked with DW's feedback

[Loldebite]

oh fuck I thought I had the game solved

[Loldebite]

What is v/v?

villager/villager aka town/town

[Loldebite]

ahhhhhh but then vittae always die
life sucks

[ikarusdk]

...what

There is one wolf among citizen claim between Mizery, Vittae and yourself because Pod flipped citizen. There are 3 citizens in this set up because I know I am town PR. Varcron flipped town PR. There is one town PR between lol and deb.

Even if Varcron was tailored to be a PR from a citizen, it means nothing because that still means there is a wolf in citizen list

[ikarusdk]

villager/villager aka town/town

Ah thank you