I'm pretty disappointed this thread is so dead.
we tried.
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so obviously we hit outside
ill take the first-vote stealthbomber16
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thank you arsonist for your contributions
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Arsonist ignited early on the guy who wasn't a townread of mine? Nice.
I thought I'd have a lot of reading to do, guess not so much. Going to catch up fully, but first, I'll say that Toad - Varcron is giving me TvS vibes, and that I tend to trust Varcron more. Will explain later.
Also, I had been sleeping, eating, living, you know, that kind of stuff. "The Marshall who has been mostly AFK" is a joke, given the level of activity I had on D1.
(note that this does not affect my read on Toad in any way, it's an independent comment)
This is just plain wrong. We need discussion, and saying "I got vibes" without anything else and then going away is anti-town, not towny, and fits Stealthbomber's scum meta. I did have a townread on Stealth before, though, and I still think Varcron - Toad is TvS so I won't vote Stealth for now, but he might be another option.
As of now, the one I towncore forever is Frinckles, for general town-like behavior, for encouraging discussion, but most importantly, for the seemingly pointless interaction with Kovath at EoD. They were in good terms, there's no reason for Frinckles to burn right away. As he said himself, he's weird, but not that much
P.S.: Someone like Yayap or Slaol would scream at me saying that I'm thinking only on a surface WIFOM level regarding Frinckles' interaction with Kovath. I would reply that Frinckles doesn't go that deep into weird WIFOM that mostly makes scum lose when they apply it (such levels of WIFOM go into fancy play syndrome IMO).
Well, that's wrong at least for me being the scum and him being the town. Potentially him being the scum, but I don't read him like that.
So, carry on.
It is fair to say you've been mostly AFK as you've posted the least in this thread. Or at least it said that before you made your last post.
Yesterday I was pro lynching. For this reason - If we didn't lynch and we mislynched today (and the arsonist doused last night instead of igniting) then tomorrow we would potentially begin with -3 town. The Arsonist had the first move, and to me, it would have been easier if we got rid of loose ends anyways. Loose ends are a liability.
Today I said -
Where Frinckles said ^ that was his plan and I opposed it. And I said to him, I still oppose it
Erm, sure, you can say "You're wrong!", but it won't make it become more true, it's just pointless, so I'll disregard this.
No, not really, it's not fair. I haven't posted a ton of one-liners, and my posts all had strong meaning, I didn't engage in shitposting, etc. Content =/= post count. An AFK player is a player that you cannot really read based on his thoughts because he hasn't expressed enough of them. If you think you can say that about me, I'll be confused. Anyway, back to explaining why my read on you decayed.
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I had you (Toad) as a townread yesterday because you were encouraging discussion, were active, and that our theory thoughts were lining up. That's what I'd expect from a townie's D1, while it's also what I would expect from a good scum's D1. You seem to be quite experienced with Mafia, and you have the style good scum players have. Yes, that's mostly a feeling from my experience of Mafia, but it's still valid, and I'm sure a lot of people here have the same feeling.
So now that D1 is done, I'm looking at how you continue your game to see if there's a townie progression. What I see is that you're completely backpedaling on your theory point (the douse checker claiming or not), and that you're even contradicting yourself by saying that you hold the same view you did on D1.
To this adds that I lean towards Varcron being town, and that your interaction feels TvS.
For all of this, I believe you are scum, and am debating putting you to L-1.
ALERT.
This is going to become a 1v1 fight between Toad and myself. Townies, do not let this happen. This is our chance to spark meaningful discussion, participate while we have time to do so.
How does you being pro-lynch yesterday relate to you saying :?The only thing I can think of is that if the Douse Checker had checked him, it would have cleared him and immediately put him in confirmed town along with the douse checker and that allows the town pool to be narrowed.
BECAUSE I said lynching Day 1 would narrow the pool, where Frinckles thinks it's just better for the Douse Checker to out themselves and who they checked to narrow down the pool.
When I said "The only thing I can think of is that if the Douse Checker had checked him, it would have cleared him and immediately put him in confirmed town along with the douse checker and that allows the town pool to be narrowed."
I was speaking from the POV of the douse checker. If the douse checker had checked Kovath and saw that he was doused, for him, knowing they are the Douse Checker and Kovath was doused, that narrows down the pool.
It's an opinion, it's what I believe to be the reason for the Arsonist igniting. That is not backpedaling. I still believe the Douse Checker should not out themselves.
Be careful, if you think too hard, your brain may explode.
The perspective of the douse checker was not specified at all, and saying that "it would have cleared him [Kovath] immediatly" is strongly implying that it would have made EVERYONE clear him as town, since that's what people mean when they say an event in the game would have cleared X person. @Frinckles @Stealthbomber16 @Varcron correct me if I'm wrong, support me if I'm right.
Rude. Scumreading people and being scumread is part of the game
Believe me, if I wasn't the only one generating content or productivity, you wouldn't be saying half this shit.
gaslighting intensifies
I will let others give their opinion before putting you at L-1 to avoid quick hammers, we need to use the time we have. Also, insulting everyone isn't fun, remember that this is a game we're playing for fun (and to win, which is what I'm trying to do by attacking my scumread).
Lynch me, y'all don't deserve me.
If you try hard enough you can find something scummy in everything. Period. Grasping at nothing is pointless... Put your effort into something more useful
I'll just comment on Varcron's case and let others comment on my own.
The first two lines are flawed on both sides, tbh. Wanting a lynch isn't scum indicative by itself, btw.
The last line is interesting, because it looks like I'm not the only one noticing easy gaslighting...
By the way, the reason I'm nearly laughing at every single of those gaslighting posts is that I've played a game off-site (it just ended) where a scum I had correctly pinned down had gaslighted me hardcore. Sad I had to replace out because I lacked time, but I have a veryyy similar feeling here. He even was prouder than you are lol.
I don't think I need to explain how much Frinckles is 100 % right in this argument. I say 100 % right because he's not saying that Toad is 100 % scum, but that it is quite likely that what he was doing is open-wolfing. The rest is self-explainatory.
I'm not saying I'm necessarily right, but I'm quite probably right. If not, you can't say you did nothing to convince me I wasn't right lol. Also, if you get lynched, notice that the votes on you will not be "Toad (L-0) : Marshmallow Marshall, Marshmallow Marshall, Marshmallow Marshall, Marshallow Marshall". It'll be 4 different people, all agreeing that you're scummy.
Do you actually have any defense though? By defense, I mean logical arguments, not exclusively pathos all over the place and gaslighting.
If you're asked "why are you not scum", you cannot reply "because I am town" and expect to actually be townread for it, sorry.
I'll leave the thread rest for now because it's useless to spam it, it'll just become an information overload and people won't be able to reply to everything, so I'll wait for more contributions.
And tbh,-vote Toad
IF YOU HAMMER EARLY FOR NO REASON AND THAT HE FLIPS TOWN, YOU'RE SCUM. PERIOD. LET EVERYONE SPEAK UP. I'm just making sure my vote is placed.
Every single point brought up has either been misinterpreted, weak and or dumb. So yes.
& You're right, they won't say all Marshmallow Marshall, there's Varcron who's theory is that I killed Kovath cause I had a hard-on for him and I had to prove a point, and Caustic who has done nothing what so ever to further along the game, promote productivity or conversation. So at the looks of it, it's a lost cause given 3 three people to point fingers at me hardcore are grasping at stupid shit.
No, you're quite probably stupid. And if you can't understand why I keep calling you stupid, you are absolutely stupid, stupid.
Well, in case I'm lynched
Marshmallow is a massive liability due to stupidness and/or is scum. Don't leave him for LYLO
Varcron is probably okay given he seems to have thought really hard and when you get tunnel vision you tend to find scum in anything and everything.
Stealth is okay, but hasn't done anything. Still okay, but needs to be looked at afterwards.
Caustic has done absolutely nothing to promote activity whatsoever, never gave any substantial read, or opinion.
Frinckles is meh, but has at least helped generate conversation with out a tunnel vision mindset.
Awwww boo hoo, it could literally hit you in the face and you still wouldn't get it. So instead of realizing you have absolutely zero logical skills, you decide to infract me. How pathetic.
See ya in Valhalla, moron.
When I flip town, if Marshmallow Marshall is not immediately lynched for piggy backing on a read based on a correction of a misrepresentation... well, goodjob. GG Arsonist, GG.
And you know what, just to make sure you need to know who should go...
-vote Marshmallow Marshall