idk, reading the start to Vengeful and things seem a bit different
For example, PTB implies that his RQS (random question stage?) is actually systematic and normal for him (I think I might have vague memories of him doing this type of thing actually). PTB's initial reactions in that game also read way scummier to me than what I can remember of Ozy's here (I may need to look at his ISO again). Though, it's been a long time since I've played with PTB so he might have been following his norm.
All-in-all the appeal to Vengeful seems tenuous. I can see Town using these kinds of intuitive remembered associations to help bolster a read. You are probably also drawing on old impressions whereas I am reading the gamethread fresh.
At the same time, a connection I don't agree with doesn't make me feel better about you, and ofc I don't think it supports aamirus being town either.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
Technically the way that played out, almost identically to here, I pushed PTB hard at the start of d1. I was very hard reading him as scum but then I moved on from my back and forth with him just as I did with you here. As I pushed other people he slowly moved back into my good graces and you’ve kind of done the same. I actually prevented a d1 lynch in that game (There were no night actions) and eventually in D2 we lynched Stealth who was the one going directly opposite against PTB (but then stealth used his dying ability to shoot PTB). I certainly see the parallels with that game here and it also makes sense that stealth is townreading me cuz he was in that game too. Still, at the moment I’m not interested in lynching you.
I want MM but that seems unlikely with the number of people townreading him. To me anyway his reads seem mostly fake, like he’s pretending that he’s never played with any of us before even though we’ve played countless games together. Anyway, oddly, this is probably the first game where I’ve ever wanted an Efe lynch. As town or scum in the past I’ve always wanted him alive. It feels weird but I had no scum read against him for his early antics or even the town power claiming and etc. but when he panicked and pulled back his claim in fear of death... I mean I’ve only ever seen Efe do that when he feels bad about letting his team down and wants to survive for their sake. He would never do it as a normal townie in my opinion.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
You’re looking at PTB in there when you’re supposed to be looking at me. The question is really if the way I’ve pushed ozy and MM is normal for me as a townie or not. I would say the game they’re talking about is a good example of a game where i played the same way I’ve played here and I was town in that game. Ozy might not be the same as PTB but that was only half of what Blink was saying
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Personally, I don't see Mafia as one-dimensional game around an ISO. A push on someone I consider scummy is different, in my eyes, than the exact same push on someone I consider towny.
I take your point about Blink's argument though. I'll look at your ISO and see if I can understand his perspective
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
@Frinckles
After the game I want a reward in my profile for figuring the game out ;)
Though I idk who the neutrals are
1 is prob efe
So what separates chip and caustic from mag and Yagami since you have those 4 as ?s
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Hi mag, how do you feel about people saying that despite your high post count, you’re basically an afker in this game? Care to give some reads when you’re finished catching up?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
From my first read: I think the two pushes ended up being different in foundation - in Vengeful, aamirus continued to push strongly on the RQS and PTB's defensive reactions to that and the initial joke scumread. This game seems to stem from the "day chat" thing and reactions to that.
I now understand the vibe/tonal thing though. I can't say whether her scum games are any different, so if anyone can, that would be appreciated.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
-vote Solid D.
This slot needs a push, I don't get the gut town reads on it
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
I have to proctor a final tomorrow which starts at 11:30am and goes to 2:30. But then the small portion of students who get double time will go all the way until 5:30. So I’m not sure if I’ll be around, I should be able to post whilst totally ignoring the students but we shall see
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
from my perspective I completely disagree with this assessment of me, I should be more townread than I usually get in-gamees, though I suppose it's possible people don't look at what I'm actually doing in-game (I feel I've been more active this game than in any other game, and I'm not talking just about post count)
also my reads:
MM, sb16, kira, you and ozy are town in my book
blink, varcron, efe, Huey should be under FoS today
also I'll be going off very soon because I'm very, very tipsy and can barely post rn
I agree with Kovath (not sure 100% if Kovath is saying this btw, don't want to take his words out of context so be sure to read his posts first) in that PTB claims that his weird questions are not AI; in fact, I would myself argue that PTB would do that as either town or scum (I remember reading a game where PTB did that and if I remember correctly he was sheriff or something that game; I remember Cryptonic was also in that game but nothing else)
Interesting take on things, I've hosted a game where Efe was scum and he almost got lynched d1 (multiple people were voting him relatively early on, and he was trying really hard)
that being said lemme lay down some reads:-
I feel Efe's being honest to some extent this game in the sense that he is indeed trying to be more helpful this game, I noticed even his OOG personality has changed to some extent
perhaps I have a poor way of expressing myself this game but unlike most games I'm actually reading people snd trying to figure out alignments, sure most of my posts have a trolling tone to them but if you go past that I'm definitely towny
also ya, Kovath isn't too bad reads-wise
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ku-Jidai/page6
link to the game
I think Efe was FM-Toshikazu, or Sorai
oh yeah sorai was efe
Frinckles idk if this guy is your friend or whatever, but it seems an almost universal consensus that he’s... a bot. Do we have any reserves? And yes I vastly prefer Efe over this nonsense
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
I don’t like how it looks like we will never get anything from that slot this game.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
From my perspective, Meg had the best intentions to the process.
While I still suffer to determine yours.
Where may your intentions lay? What Methods are you using?
What strategy do you use? How will you benefit the process?
I’m still deciding the Conclusion to those questions.
-vote aamirus
Time to produce pressure to this Variable.
I see potential failures in my analysis I must resolve.
I may switch Kovath with aamirus depending on the outcome.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
hi this is naz im dedicating like 30 mins to this game
who should i ISO? efe is at L-4 but i really would rather not read that
the next 30 mins **
gonna start clicking on random pages and reading
wow. so i just caught up, good and questionable stuff? lol
gonna hit the shower an make some soup! lets have a conversation and root some stuff out
btw @Frinckles is a very shitty zelda and a very shitty king k. rool. TERRY BOGARD FOR LIFE
i frend with Frinckles <3