now that's interesting @Stealthbomber16 I have stated before that I can confirm my town role should I make the call... and yet you feel like you should vote me up...
Seems like you want to lynch another town...
interesting... My Scum-a-dar just went past red and straight to Galat-ta-Scum-Tacular...
-vote Stealthbomber16
You realize every person you've scum read have only been scum read because they fall into 1 of three categories. 1. They read you as scum. 2. They push you to make a claim you said you would make. Yet refuse to. 3. They voted you.
All of this falls into reactionary voting and or something called OMGUS voting. This is not pro town behavior. Doesn't mean you're scum, however, it makes it harder for people to read you as town.
Anyhow I thought I'd give you some advice on that.
About the holy grail.. it would leave a bad taste in my mouth if we had to policy lynch Rachyl to get the grail to RLVG. However.. if the owner of the grail is truly randomized then Rachyl doesn't have to be town.. just food for thought. Still wouldn't recommend lynching that easily for an unknown "super power". Having Rachyl receive a vest does seem like the best idea for today.
I have claimed...
town power...
and the fact that stealthbomber didnt see that... neither did you... but i am getting a good vibe from you...
the reasons that stealthshitter stated as for voting me up... weak at best...
that with his vote on lynching a town... makes me think turdish...
I am nearly confirmed town as they get... so... i would point the finger at him and ask... are you town or not...
How are you even close to being confirmed town? Holy shit lol. That'd require you to roleclaim and the affected person you're talking about to speak up. But I'm not telling you to do that right now.
To me the main problem is your OMGUS way of reacting to pressure with your finger pointing at everyone else and all. Especially since at the beginning it wasn't even a lot of pressure. And Stealth's reasons are relatable if you ask me even if you don't agree. That'd be your job to reasonably counter those arguments.
It'd be great if you could gain some perspective.
one... I am about to be hit by this hurricane here is San Juan...
two... I have role claimed... town power... as what my role card says... which is the same as sprucyboy...
counter... maybe... defensive... yea... that's fine... imo my vote means shit... but I am trying to clear the air so that we can find scum... but we keep coming back to me...
I dont know what else you peeps want from me to prove the fact that I am town... (without outing) the person and the details of my "power"...
So I would like to focus on finding scum ATM... but in the next 4 hours the storm is gonna hit... and if need be I will out the person in question...
so lets find scum and stop focusing on lynching town
So your card says that you can ask someone to go into your catapult? Because that is what I believe Otaku said his TPR card shows him. Which is what I mean by revealing your role. I do not doubt that it says TPR.. but when you claimed that it was already known that this is the way the card is worded so it doesn't really confirm your position as town by itself. And I don't think even Spruance said more than "TPR" but if either of you said more than that feel free to correct me. Otherwise keep the details to yourself for now.
Also we still have more than 24h left since it's a 48h day. No need to rush it all. Since you're one of the suspects today it is not really super unproductive to prod you, you see. You're just one of many interesting topics for today.
@NoctiZ
RLVG said you received an enchanting potion or something. What does it do?
@Spruance how goes it...
Since this storm is coming... would you be willing to confirm me as town... I wont give details... but you has something done/given/messaged to you ln... that was because of me... can you confirm!?!
God damnit, I slept most of the day away.
Lol, what if it's like Indiana Jones where you have to pick the correct grail?
Strange dimension? Would you assume it's a town, neutral or scum role to do such an action?
Because I'm the King, lol. If I have a gun and I'm not using it, I can effectively reduce the amount of guns. If I know for realz that there's a scum that can't be lynched, it's a last resort.
I'm still not quite sure it's the holy grail we want. "Strange Artifact" could be a red herring for all we know. The only downside to letting her go is Morgan having a chance at getting it.
I'm still not convinced of your role. How are you "nearly confirmed town"? You could've just copied the thing from someone else who also plain and simply claimed TPR with no flavor or anything.
I think @NoctiZ should pick the tracking device.
I'll take a catapult ride if offered.
Proposed item passing out?
RLVG - gun
Spruance - suit
PTB - unholy
Hybrid - healing herb
Noctiz - tracking???
superjack - gun
voss - tracking
rachyl - suit
otaku - healing herb
wido - unholy
stealth - tracking
stole yo girl - herb
goatse - vest
healers on stealth noctiz and rlvg?
Spoiler : Important Links :
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Oof, that's tough to say. If it makes me untargetable then it might protect me from harm which seems pro-town imo. If it's a roleblock of sorts then I'd say it's a pro-scum move. We don't know what exactly it does so it's hard to judge. For all we know it might make me both untargetable and also roleblock me in which case.. no clue. Could be either way then.
Yes, very true. It fits into the holy grail slot because we know there is one but we don't know if there are any more artifacts out there. The chance is probably high that there are more "artifacts" in this game. The problem is as you say though. Do we want to make it easy for Morgan to reach the holy grail? Probably not. And if there's a possibility that an artifact we know of is with Rachyl and it has the chance to be the holy grail then letting it fall into Morgan's hands without a fight would be the wrong move in my eyes. We should delay her possible death atleast for a day or two to keep the amount of unknown variables low. Because if she dies by someone else's hand before Day 4 then better make her death possible later than sooner. With any luck there is a protective role around that can keep her alive.
Even if Rachyl might not have the holy grail I do believe that Morgan will try to get it from her. If you think Rachyl's artifact is not the holy grail then it'd be somewhere among all the other players with a way lower chance of being found before Day 4. Morgan's best bet is to kill Rachyl anyway and see, I think.
I am open to picking the person that should receive the device. If it's agreeable with more people than just you then I will do it and choose one.
Oh, now I get it. RLVG you want me to pick the herb for myself. Derp. I'm an idiot. LOL
Sure, I can take it if that's what we can agree on. If we do that then I'd like SJ to take the next gun though as the shop will replenish, right? And I do believe that SJ is trustworthy. Any disagreement about that? If not then I'd wait until SJ is around to claim the gun before anyone else ninja claims it (although that would be a super scummy move).
I wish PTB could pick something but he offered himself up to pick the unholy grail already.. I hope that doesn't kill you.
Sorry, multiquote. Double sorry for multipost.
Yes wido, you have been confirmed to have a power role. But as Spruance said, this does not confirm you to be a town role. I'll leave that aside though because I've heard enough from you for now.
I don't want there to be another gun around, as it could go into scum hands. The last 3 could go any which way, and I just have goatse higher up on my town list then stealth. It shouldn't make a huge difference though.
[including the list in my spoiler]
Spoiler : Important Links :
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
@Fleeting Thoughts
Also are you making things up as we go along or is everything set in stone? lol
NO!!! I am not giving up my holy grail to anyone. its MY holy grail!
22 is here and wont be back for another 2 hours. I have one problem with all your reads on SuperJack. Does no one think he is scummy as shit hiding in a human body. This Nigga wanted to shoot him with a gun instead of lynching him. I feel like he isn't trying hard enough as town aswell and pointing out misleads. Hybrid is definitely not team aligned, and I will not vote for him at all. Personally I don't think he can act evil-smart based on meta, so therefore he is town by stupidity.
-vote SuperJack
I'll give you my other reads when I'm back
Currently
Voss-team aligned with SJ
GoatsMYcup-no reads
RVGL-WTF this guy needs to step it up
Spruanance-still scummy as shit, SJ more scummy
Notiz-town read for now.
rachyl-no read
Look behind you, It's me fuckin' your Gurl.
I think the effort and tone that I saw yesterday indicating you as town is the same as today, although a couple of your reads are wrong.
-You mispelled 'town aligned with SJ'
-not sure why you're 'no reading' rachyl, especially for artifact thing that's going down.
-i have spruance as town slotted for now.
what do you think of the item list i proposed?
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
What I find interesting is that Mr.StoleUrGurl scumreads SJ but he townreads me. My reasoning for townreading SJ are primarily my interactions with SJ and his reasonings for and way of pushing Hybrid which I thought to be quite town-aligned. So you, Mr.StoleUrGurl, have the opposite read on SJ that I do but think that I am town? This interests me and I would love to hear your reasoning when you get back.
I do think you pointed out one interesting fact: SJ did indeed think of shooting Hybrid first and lynching him second if I'm remembering this correctly (will read back on this). This opens up the possibility that SJ is scum trying to receive a gun as to hog town resources and using it on someone he knows is not his scum partner and who is a LHF in his eyes which would be Hybrid. SJ could also be a neutral role in this case but I do not see Hybrid as towny and I'm not sure if a neutral role in this game would want to shoot a possible scum player so chances are SJ can only be a scum team member in this scenario. As a disclaimer I believe this to be an unlikely scenario because there's nothing else I remember as scum tells coming from SJ's behaviour. However until I hear back from you and until I hear from SJ himself this is going to be my current opinion. Your reads are unsatisfying overall but I forgive you a tiny bit for apparently not being here D1, 22.
I argued the opposite because the hidden real amount of scum roles and overall the missing knowledge of which roles are and can be in the game are a big advantage for non-town roles. This is made up for with an increased amount of town roles in my opinion. This is what I argued D1. D2 it turns out that there really is a King role (which is supposedly town-aligned which I can see though) and a shop handing out items. Now you might argue that this is pro-town but non-town roles can also get their hands on those items so I see this cancelling eachother out, ergo a moot point. Thus my conclusion is that there will likely be a big amount of town roles, atleast certainly bigger than a Town King + 7 vassals. I'd see there being atleast 10 or 11, not sure.
As I said, I would read up on this claim that SJ thought of shooting Hybrid instead of lynching. I found the post in question, #741, but in context it doesn't seem so out of norm. They were talking about the shop mechanics and how to get items and distribute them among eachother. This doesn't read like a scum slip. Rather it makes me feel like Mr.StoleUrGurl twisted what SJ said into looking like a scum tell to seem contributory. Awfully suspicious behaviour.
I think "Vassal" refers to TPR and not any 'vanilla'.
Also @Rachyl I'm pretty sure it goes to a different person each nght so it really isn't yours /:
i would never scum read SJ for that post, Noctiz, as I have the same opinion. Hybrid deserves to be lynched or shot. He echoed SJ and I in saying we should wait for the items and then took the heal. He's being chaotic, and as soon as he's back town'll have trouble communicating again.
Spoiler : Voting Mechanics :
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
@RLVG
I am having issues. Which many people will fear to address since you instantly grabbed the gun.
Do you claim to be town?
Reason I ask is, sure you saidbut then you went on to stateKing Arthur. Which makes me question why you stated it again, and why you didn't specify which colour it is. Why you never claimed yourself to be town. Yet you specify the other two roles areMy own rolecard has a colorThen we had the Mayors death (Which is generally seen as a town leading role). Which would be a strange addition to the game given that your role exists which sorta competes with the MayorWhite
The other issues I have are the parts of your rolecard that you are"."not allowed to detail
At what point is it the Host, or you withholding the information? I don't understand why the host will allow you to say x exists but not detail x.
What evidence is there that you are town, and not just another Neutral/Team competing against Morgan? (There where 2 deaths, which would make sense with one side Morgan the other side Arthur)
@Everyone
I want you to look at https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...2-Watermeloann a game where an all powerful role was consider to be town just because he revealed his rolecard. Yet he turned out to be an all powerful anti-town role with superpowers.
^That is mostly the reason I don't trust RLVG, because of a previous experience. Plus the addition that RLVG has done very little scum hunting.
I tried lynching him, yet everyone decided to vote stupid.
You are telling me "Hey SJ wants to shoot Hybrid and not lynch him, but im not gonna vote for hybrid" (Oh my I wonder how he survived yesterday huh)
And then you are saying "Hybrid too stupid to be mafia".
And then you vote me.
Bye.