S-FM 265: Illuminati

[Ganelon]

Honestly, as someone who’s played this setup twice (now three times, as I previous stated). it’s hard to predict if the Illuminati are actually here… especially as town. They 9/10 will NEVER choose a mafia role, since there’s really no need to (and this was stated in the first game I played post-game by the Infiltrator; they felt there was no need to choose mafia roles because they can’t kill with it anyway and escort is a role). They could easily choose something like the Innocent Child and make us feel secure, feeding off our paranoia while we hunt the mafia so that they can control the night kills.

The last mafia kill is not cleaned..? As far as I’m aware (and noticed) the mafia kills are always cleaned. That being said, we would never know if the Mafia killed a member of their own since it would definitely be cleaned, making us think there’s mafia still (And refers back to my previous point of feeding off our paranoia).

All in all, we should just play it as normal. But we should be wary of the Mafia claiming their real role and using the Illuminati as an excuse to not get lynched (This was actually tried near the end on the second game I played on setup A, it didn’t end well for them xD).



Yea essentially. It would be interesting to see the Mafia hard-claim day two if they had their kill redirected. If they did though, I would still be wary considering they could easily be lying as an excuse to not have to be townie. If that situation arises, I think it’s probably a good idea to have our power roles keep them under wrap. Also if that happens, make sure whoever is the godfather tells us exactly who they are, so we can try to keep their night kills under wrap (Like if PTB Wasn’t lying about being an escort).

What do you think Magoroth?

There's very limited venues for Mafia to act if they. realize that the Illuminati are in the game... Claiming is one of them but I see it as being extremely risky and would not happen unless they were absolutely certain that the Illuminati were in the game. This is one of those setups where it's best not to discuss such things before they happen.

[Ganelon]

Ugh you guys keep making the MM and Mag team seem more legit but I really don’t want it to be true

I'd say something but. apparently defensive=scummy here, so I'll just shut up, apparently that carries my point across better

[Ganelon]

And then the illuminati can override lol

Also most likely not true, since Illuminati can already read the Mob's night chat. The last time this setup was played, people were operating on the assumption that Illuminati would figure out the Mafia pretty quickly (I believe the original creator of the setup was among those).

[Ganelon]

nah aivion is discrediting and justifying scummy behavior right now

I don't see anything interesting in particular about AIVION's posts, not sure how you're seeing it as scummy. Do explain.

[Ganelon]

I reread pretty much the entire game up to this point and I'm going to say that I haven't seen many (in fact none) 100% or even 50% alignment indicative posts.

-vote Gyrlander

[Ganelon]

I am noticing this is the 2nd post where I have doubts on Blink. And I'm still on Page 1...

That's a troll post lol

[blinkskater]

This literally goes in the way of "you're scum", by your OWN words.... you see, that's why you don't self meta unless you know what you're doing with it. And by know what you'Re doing, I mean be an FM god. Sorry, you're not god yet :P

So, you are saying im scum then?

[blinkskater]

Nu. I suspect Blink more than Mag and my vote is more useful on Blink than Mag. Plus mag already has enough pressure.

Of course you don't want to vote your scum mate because then aamirus would have hammered SMH

[blinkskater]

Here is a quick reads post
Town:
Aamirus
Distorted
Aivion

No existant:
Gyrlander

Scum:
MM
Kenny
Magoroth

Ill be at work for about 10 hrs have fun yelling at each other. I will then be getting intoxicated after work and logging on to mafia

[Gyrlander]

In one setup, the Mafia are essentially Masons with a gun (even though they are not aware of it), whereas in the other they are regular scum. The second scenario would play out much like a regular game except for the fact that IC isn't confirmed town, like they should be. The question becomes whether or not it's good for the Mafia to kill, since they don't know which setup is actually in the game. They would effectively be killing off their teammates.

From the town's perspective, I'd say the game would play pretty much the same way, except for the fact that we can't trust graveyard flips too much. The only thing we know for a fact is that the dead people aren't Illuminati.

I believe that Infiltrator flips his chosen role upon death... so yeah. NO.

[Gyrlander]

Grand Wizard here... where my KKK homie at?!

Asshole. I hate first post claims even more if you claim scum you SLUT.

[Gyrlander]

Oh shit blink it looks like you're scum

​But if you're scum then how can you coofnrim you're scum with me since PTB's departure confirms you are a team with him

Also yes this is a troll post don't even try. I'm not open wolfing. Bc I ain't a wolf.

this smells ILLUMINATISH

[Gyrlander]

reads so far:


naz
blink
magoroth
MM
distorted
varnic
Gyrlander
AIVION
Kenny

Interesting. Barely 2nd Page and you already post a read-list (half is worthless)... I just read that early read lists are a sign of scum trying to seem useful as their conscience is full of regret and sorrow.

-vote Kenny

[Gyrlander]

Because you mentioned "We, the town" made sure to include a we in there ;) emphasized it. then this post



You had to specify it was a troll post and that it was a joke because "you ain't a wolf"

I have to agree with Distorted. As a scum you have a lot of paranoia and feel that if you don't explain yourself in every post as Town people will notice blah blah blah. In fact, that's why I just commented your post Mag. You and Kenny are the bad boys of this setup for me.

[Gyrlander]

Being defensive has the potential to out scum. To me it only makes sense to defend myself when I'm being voted, and when I feel someone is voting me for a reason that I don't agree with (or don't see myself using), I will push back.

And if they were troll posts, I obviously wouldn't have read into them. Trollposts are completely NAI and should not read

I disagree. Having the balls to make troll posts where you claim Mafia or whatever is very important. Now, we have to discuss if you actually did it because you're town and just dumb or a scum with some mental problems.

[Gyrlander]

Oh. Apparently we don't know the role and LW of the people who get killed at night 10/10 macaronni di presto di mamma.

[Gyrlander]

Kenny i don't think i will ever be able to townread you... Your scumhunting skills are comparable to rachyls... With that im going to sleep

Infraction incoming. You crossed the line there, buddy.

[Gyrlander]

MM is here. If he's town there should be a pile of shit coming up about now

You have to say it before we see what he does to warn him? ....

*******

[Gyrlander]

Nope gay = scum

furry = jesus christ aka rachyl resurrected

[Gyrlander]

But yeah if Distorted is scum he is one. hundred percent an Illuminatus of some kind. That's an if though. he's null. to me atm.

What's wrong with the dots? are you sendind a morse code to your scum partner? #caught

[Gyrlander]

-vote blinkskater

This question is just so scummy lol. You're either asking how to fake being cit, how your enemies will play, or asking for advice because you're not sure of yourself/new to FM, which you are not, OR you want town to reveal their strategies for an unknown reason...? I don't think the town side is that big for that post, but the scum one is surely big.

Or maybe he's asking him because as AIVION said he has played 3 times (with this one) this setup.

[blinkskater]

Infraction incoming. You crossed the line there, buddy.

=( please don't lock me in your furry little dungeon..

[blinkskater]

Or maybe he's asking him because as AIVION said he has played 3 times (with this one) this setup.

Sound logic here.

[blinkskater]

I disagree. Having the balls to make troll posts where you claim Mafia or whatever is very important. Now, we have to discuss if you actually did it because you're town and just dumb or a scum with some mental problems.

How many times have you seen a player openly claim scum on day 1.... 99 % of the time they are not lynched for it...claiming a scum role day 1 should be seen as NAI in my opinion.

[blinkskater]

@naz so infiltraitor can choose any role in the roles list... Or does that role have to be currently in the game?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ugh you guys keep making the MM and Mag team seem more legit but I really don’t want it to be true

Lol but wouldn't it be opn wlf ng hardcore? :P

Also I doubt Mag is scum pocketing me atm, the worst case ever would be if I was actually pocketing myself to mag, who would be scum. I didn't form a read on him yet, therefore I'm still not at the "SCUM!!!!" zone some of you seem to be at.

If I were scum, I would probably just not answer to this

[Marshmallow Marshall]

No i am PTB 2.0 screw you, you stupid reprobate

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I reread pretty much the entire game up to this point and I'm going to say that I haven't seen many (in fact none) 100% or even 50% alignment indicative posts.

-vote Gyrlander

This, I agree with. But at the same time, he came in and said "7 pages? MAMMA MIA." That sounds like a townie who hasn't started actually playing. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.... FOR NOW. But I expect more than that before EoD.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So, you are saying im scum then?

This literally goes in the way of "you're scum"

This literally goes in the way of "you're scum"

This literally goes in the way of "you're scum"

This literally goes in the way of "you're scum"

I don't know...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Of course you don't want to vote your scum mate because then aamirus would have hammered SMH

Here is a quick reads post
Town:
Aamirus
Distorted
Aivion

No existant:
Gyrlander

Scum:
MM
Kenny
Magoroth

Ill be at work for about 10 hrs have fun yelling at each other. I will then be getting intoxicated after work and logging on to mafia

OMFG THE EASY SCUMPAINT HERE LOLOLOL

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I believe that Infiltrator flips his chosen role upon death... so yeah. NO.

No, he doesn't since he gets to use the assumed role's ability every night.... also it's the same for grand wizard, he picks once in the game his assumed role but it won't do shet except for sheriff and his flip. Infiltrator can change "once every day/night" so I guess he can change it even during day....?

Also I asked naz, the Infiltrator can reveal as IC. I wouldn't even trust a revealed mayor in this game.

But I would CC him.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Interesting. Barely 2nd Page and you already post a read-list (half is worthless)... I just read that early read lists are a sign of scum trying to seem useful as their conscience is full of regret and sorrow.

-vote Kenny

Yet Kenny has done a lot of early scum hunting.

P.S. Just ignore my post saying you are AFK, you're good....

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What's wrong with the dots? are you sendind a morse code to your scum partner? #caught

No, I think it's his phone posting or something, it's not the first time it happens. Look at Sengoku Jidai, last page post game, he has a post like this one.

shit i look scummy here
and i look like efe

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@naz so infiltraitor can choose any role in the roles list... Or does that role have to be currently in the game?

Infiltrator =/= ultimate knowledge of the universe. Unless there's something I missed (NO THAT'S NOT A SLIP). Therefore I believe he can choose whatever he wants.

[naz]

@naz so infiltraitor can choose any role in the roles list... Or does that role have to be currently in the game?

any role i'm not gonna give them a role list smh

edit: note the host wifoam here...the response is in the same manner as question is posed (like how some of u have asked "if the role is in the game") do not take any of this as a confirmation or denial of the infiltrator role being in this game ;*) gl all

[Distorted]

any role i'm not gonna give them a role list smh

edit: note the host wifoam here...the response is in the same manner as question is posed (like how some of u have asked "if the role is in the game") do not take any of this as a confirmation or denial of the infiltrator role being in this game ;*) gl all

o..........m...........g HELP

[Ganelon]

This, I agree with. But at the same time, he came in and said "7 pages? MAMMA MIA." That sounds like a townie who hasn't started actually playing. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.... FOR NOW. But I expect more than that before EoD.

I wasn't saying he was scummy, in my opinion nobody in this game is truly scummy atm, game is almost dead

[Ganelon]

What's wrong with the dots? are you sendind a morse code to your scum partner? #caught

Yes I was. You caught me though, gotta find another way

[Distorted]

We could just lynch the lowest post count I never object to that

[Ganelon]

We could just lynch the lowest post count I never object to that

Ayyy how about we do that every day

[Ganelon]

We could just lynch the lowest post count I never object to that

ROFL you have more posts than me. this is heresy.

[Ganelon]

Alright, MM, for once I actually agree with aamirus and I'm going to say that it isn't pro-town to fake-claim in this setup, given that we have Janitor and potentially an Illuminati who can change his role everyday.

[Distorted]

I wasn't saying he was scummy, in my opinion nobody in this game is truly scummy atm, game is almost dead

No one is being scummy? theres plenty of scummy things afoot. also, you are good at finding strategies and scummy things. I don't buy it that 'noone is being scummy'.

[Distorted]

Alright, MM, for once I actually agree with aamirus and I'm going to say that it isn't pro-town to fake-claim in this setup, given that we have Janitor and potentially an Illuminati who can change his role everyday.

I do agree with this however.

[Ganelon]

No one is being scummy? theres plenty of scummy things afoot. also, you are good at finding strategies and scummy things. I don't buy it that 'noone is being scummy'.

Then who is scummy? I mean maybe Varnic was open wolfing with that claim of Grand Wizard, and I'm finding Kenny a little odd, with aamirus as a nullread and almost everyone else as well. I don't feel as though the game has progressed to the point where we can say someone is scummy

[Distorted]

Then who is scummy? I mean maybe Varnic was open wolfing with that claim of Grand Wizard, and I'm finding Kenny a little odd, with aamirus as a nullread and almost everyone else as well. I don't feel as though the game has progressed to the point where we can say someone is scummy

then make it progress! drill at people, throw votes around. Throw a chair! that always seems to work. When things are slighlty heated and just need that extra kick, huck a chair at someone. boom full blown shitfest.

[Distorted]

@Varnic your going to need more than 2 posts.. lol I know its a lot of reading, but thats what FM is...... Definitely a time commitment =P but post counts that low by EoD result in replacements/modkills.

ALSO:

Who Posted?
Posts 79 Magoroth
Posts 65 Distorted
Posts 65 blinkskater
Posts 56 Marshmallow Marshall

MM is now a scumread.

[Gyrlander]

I think I'm gonna be mostly AFK for the next 16 hours...

[blinkskater]

OMFG THE EASY SCUMPAINT HERE LOLOLOL

No its how i feel at the moment no way you guys are town

[blinkskater]

Yet Kenny has done a lot of early scum hunting.

P.S. Just ignore my post saying you are AFK, you're good....

You fucking call what kenny was doing scumhunting?????? Have you literally lost your mind?