I don't understand the rationale behind framer nerf

[marinebase7]

Framer has become essentially useless now that it does dumb shit like frame someone for being a cultist with disturbing the peace when cult is disabled in the save and there is no crier. This is already added on to the fact that there are many investigate roles that already bypass framer anyways.

It made way more sense back when it automatically frames as mafia member and there was no roles such as lookout and detective or even spy so its powers were actually useful. Now framer is nothing more than a dumb role that dies to vet N2. All in all it is way too much shit for how low the chance of framing actually working (and someone checking) is.

Just as a side note I think beguiler was a nice touch but kidnapper? wtf there is even an old thread that discourages "an evil jailor" and like 99% of ppl agree it's a shitty idea.