7 of my friends changed gender today

[RLVG]

Norway has this new law today that anyone can change gender without medical treatment and psychologic evaluation.

So today seven of my friends changed gender.



REAL LIFE DISGUISERS EVERYWHERE

[BananaCucho]

Norway has this new law today that anyone can change gender without medical treatment and psychologic evaluation.

So today seven of my friends changed gender.



REAL LIFE DISGUISERS EVERYWHERE

But were they closeted or did you know?

Anyway, good for them!

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

As in if I lived in Norway, I could just file that I believe I am actually a female, and that is that?

Does this mean males can claim to be female and enter female sports competitions, facilities, etc.?

Assuming this is a real law?

[RLVG]

But were they closeted or did you know?

Anyway, good for them!

I knew only two of them being dysphoric, the other five were closeted.

When presented the opporturnity, they'll take it. So... There's probably tens of thousands who changed gender on this very day.

[RLVG]

As in if I lived in Norway, I could just file that I believe I am actually a female, and that is that?

Does this mean males can claim to be female and enter female sports competitions, facilities, etc.?

Assuming this is a real law?

Yes, it's that simple.
It's going to be real hell though when "men" suddenly enters female lockers, bathrooms and et cetera though.

It's a real law that's become active / launched today.

[deathworlds]

Yes, it's that simple.
It's going to be real hell though when "men" suddenly enters female lockers, bathrooms and et cetera though.

It's a real law that's become active / launched today.

This is a huge topic of debate in the U.S., for that reason.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Yes, it's that simple.
It's going to be real hell though when "men" suddenly enters female lockers, bathrooms and et cetera though.

It's a real law that's become active / launched today.

That is the problem I have. If we look at topics like gay marriage, it only involves those people so who cares what they do, it does not involve anyone else. This law will make females very uncomfortable in public places such as locker rooms, or restrooms. Sports could be affected. The average male lifter would be an instant elite level powerlifter, mma would be obviously bad, etc.

[secondpassing]

That is scary.

[ThePaladin]

Yes, it's that simple.
It's going to be real hell though when "men" suddenly enters female lockers, bathrooms and et cetera though.

It's a real law that's become active / launched today.

I'm not familar with Norwegian legal code, so...

Was their a previous law that did recognize people's changed gender who changed genders but only for those who underwent the medical procedure?

From what I've seen, most people who psychologically think they are the other gender actually end up going through the procedure(if it is available and affordable to them) rather than the new androgynous" and spur of the moment gender-identity shifts caused by gender role responsibilities, depression, etc.

[RLVG]

I'm not familar with Norwegian legal code, so...

Was their a previous law that did recognize people's changed gender who changed genders but only for those who underwent the medical procedure?

From what I've seen, most people who psychologically think they are the other gender actually end up going through the procedure(if it is available and affordable to them) rather than the new androgynous" and spur of the moment gender-identity shifts caused by gender role responsibilities, depression, etc.

Before you were required to be psychologically evaluated for 2 years, with you "being the correct role" full-time for those two years, for the doctors to tell you if they're "convinced" or if they tell you to quit and not bother. Those with Aspergers / Autism had to wait an average of 5 years.

After that, you could finaly get medical treatment that would take a minimum of 2 years before surgery were an option, this surgery enabled the legal change.

So "normal" people are 4 years without having their genders changed, "non normal" people 7 to 10 years.

This gave Norway an extremely bad reputation on this field because the "Theory" are outdated by the 50s, only 3 persons back in Oslo are making the decision and they're doing stereotyping too literal that it's a plain joke.

That's the reason for this new law - skip the process and get the legal stuff worked on right away, but personally I think the new law is just too open. Why should minors get this without psychologic evaluation?
I understand adults who can make proper decisions by themselves however.

[Ash]

This is stupid. Psychological evaluation or not, no one should be allowed to change genders. Why are we patting transexuals on the back and saying it's okay to have a mental illness instead of trying to help them change their ways?

[Apocist]

why are people trying to hinder the closing of the gender gap? the fact that we have to split the human race in half due to a binary variable is stupid in the first place.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yuki does not accept tran-gender v(x.o(<
Yuki believe everyone should live true to their gene v)x.o)>

[Apocist]

Yuki does not accept tran-gender v(x.o(<
Yuki believe everyone should live true to their gene v)x.o)>

what if you were born incorrectly?

[ThePaladin]

why are people trying to hinder the closing of the gender gap? the fact that we have to split the human race in half due to a binary variable is stupid in the first place.

From a biological standpoint "splitting" the human race in half based on sex is and was necessary for reproduction and survival, Just like how any other species typically recognizes the difference in sex

Should both halves be considered equal, yes.

But any 2 people in a relationship probably would think its awkward to not recognize each others genders lol

[Yukitaka Oni]

what if you were born incorrectly?

The word: deal with it exist for a reason v(x.o(<

[Apocist]

The word: deal with it exist for a reason v(x.o(<

thus, they are dealing with it :3

[Yukitaka Oni]

thus, they are dealing with it :3

Eh. To be honest I'm not allow to agree on any side v(o.o)>
To keep the Classic humanity i need to disagree with trans-gender
To keep the human from being discriminated by difference gender i need to agree
-----> both is good and bad

[Fatalis]

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[Mathmatical]

I would never change gender 0-0

[Orpz]

Since life evolved with the basis of reproduction, I would argue that LGBT is considered an illness that we shouldn't support. Sure, we shouldn't administer chemical castrasion or anything even near it, but any move that promotes LGBT is just bad.

Nature isn't necessarily something to always be emulated.

[ThePaladin]

Since life evolved with the basis of reproduction, I would argue that LGBT is considered an illness that we shouldn't support. Sure, we shouldn't administer chemical castrasion or anything even near it, but any move that promotes LGBT is just bad.

Fromthis perspective/logic we can argue that relationships incolving an infertile person is bad or even relationships in which they dont want to have kids is bad

Also there are homosexual relationships in nature

The whole lgbt movement isnt as much as promoting(exluding some people) homosexuality as it is believing that one type of relationship shouldnt be a le to have better rights than another
If heterosexual marriage didnt give benefits such as on taxes in most countries and it wasnt seen as a crime(in soem countries) or be criticized/bullied to the point of driving people to suicide then it wouldnt be nearly as much as an issue

[Fatalis]

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[yzb25]

[I haven't known many LGBT people, so I may be missing a crucial detail]

I never understood the need of some of these people to be *completely* acknowledged under the law, even in areas where it will be more of a hindrance to their life than a benefit.

The girl's changing room example probably isn't happening in Norway, but let's suppose it was - Why on earth, as a male-to-female trans., do I care so much about getting to go to the girl's changing room? I have used the boy's my entire life, and am likely more comfortable when I'm in the boy's. Frankly, the only reason to get changed in the girl's and make the girls uncomfortable is just so I don't have to deal with the implication that someone has rejected my female gender. But so what? Big fucking deal. I know internally I'm a girl anyway.

The same goes with gay marriage. Most of the developed countries that rejected gay marriage still offered civil partnerships - which seemed to be legally nearly the exact same, just a different word so as not to piss off christians by stealing and misusing their ritual. Yet, all these gay pride movements hardcore-campaigned over an implication of not being a "true marriage".

Caring so much about the implication is moronic for obvious reasons. Maybe it just gives them something to bitch about, but it's still a waste of time, pretty much. Of course, the girls squeeling at the sight of a naked man (a completely natural phenomenon) just because they're conditioned to think "no clothes = sex" are just as moronic, and the christians throwing a hissy fit because gay people like their ritual are also just as moronic.

People try to make this into a far grander issue than it is. "The trannies are taking over! If we send the wrong message babies will stop coming by next generation!" or "The right wing scum are regularly beating LGBTs to death and sucking their blood! We must have gay marriage!". Though it's true sometimes there's an isolated incident of something terrible happening on one side like a 14 year old getting pressured into changing gender and then killing themselves, or homophobes putting a homosexual through therapy that makes them kill themselves, this issue is still really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Ultimately, it just seems everyone needs to grow the fuck up.

[FYRE]

The cogent issue is whether or not gender fluid people can change back to what gender they feel they are on that day. If not then the same problems will continue to arise.

[Ash]

what if you were born incorrectly?

How do you know if you were born incorrectly?

[ThePaladin]

@yzb

Civil unions dont give all the benefits of marriage
One key issue is that you can gain citize,ship through marriage but not civil unions in almost all countries that have a civil union but disallow gay marriage

[BananaCucho]

So much ignorance in this thread. A lot of comments from people who have no idea what they're talking about. Ffs.

[BananaCucho]

Fromthis perspective/logic we can argue that relationships incolving an infertile person is bad or even relationships in which they dont want to have kids is bad

Also there are homosexual relationships in nature

The whole lgbt movement isnt as much as promoting(exluding some people) homosexuality as it is believing that one type of relationship shouldnt be a le to have better rights than another
If heterosexual marriage didnt give benefits such as on taxes in most countries and it wasnt seen as a crime(in soem countries) or be criticized/bullied to the point of driving people to suicide then it wouldnt be nearly as much as an issue

I actually agree with Paladin on something. This is a weird feeling.

[Cryptonic]

So much ignorance in this thread. A lot of comments from people who have no idea what they're talking about. Ffs.

Lol I didn't know the site had so many bigots.

Why do people give a shit about how other people choose to live their lives? It literally effects other people 0%.

[BananaCucho]

Lol I didn't know the site had so many bigots.

Why do people give a shit about how other people choose to live their lives? It literally effects other people 0%.

Its ignorance. People are scared of what they don't understand. And instead of educating themselves they spew ignorant comments that their politicians or religious leaders or parents or someone has said because it "made sense" to them even though it is devoid of fact.

Like "evolution doesn't support homosexuality" is an ignorant comment when nature has actually exhibited homosexual behavior in many observed species. But fuck science right?

[Cryptonic]

I like how people's logic is saying we shouldn't support it because it's a mental illness. Even if for some fucked up reason you relate LGBT w/ mental illness, why wouldn't you support someone with a mental illness? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard.

[BananaCucho]

People try to make this into a far grander issue than it is. "The trannies are taking over! If we send the wrong message babies will stop coming by next generation!" or "The right wing scum are regularly beating LGBTs to death and sucking their blood! We must have gay marriage!". Though it's true sometimes there's an isolated incident of something terrible happening on one side like a 14 year old getting pressured into changing gender and then killing themselves, or homophobes putting a homosexual through therapy that makes them kill themselves, this issue is still really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Ultimately, it just seems everyone needs to grow the fuck up.

You do realize that LGBT suicide rates are a lot higher than heterosexual suicide rates right? That's fact. Are you also aware about LGBT teen homelessness? That while 1.6% of the population identifies as LGBT, a startling 30-40% of homeless TEENS identify as LGBT. Like these these teens don't need to just "grow the fuck up", they are literally being disowned by their families.

This is a much more serious issue than you are making it out to be. Ignorant is what you are.

https://nationalhomeless.org/issues/lgbt/

[BananaCucho]

I know, but we have to be reasonable and acknowledge that people aren't always born with LGBT. Some choose to be so in the span of their lifetime. And to say that we're alright with gender changing would be to say that we're alright with someone deliberately making themselves disabled. I'm not saying that humans only exist to reproduce, but the reality is that LGBT isn't beneficial, and frankly could be harmful.

"You can't have children, so we are going to discard you since you aren't beneficial to the master race"

Thanks Hitler

[Gyrlander]

I like how people's logic is saying we shouldn't support it because it's a mental illness. Even if for some fucked up reason you relate LGBT w/ mental illness, why wouldn't you support someone with a mental illness? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Calling it a mental illness is a mental illness itself.

[Carrot Cake]

if it does not negtivly efect you why does it matter what sex someone believe they are

[Apocist]

People already change themselves in so many different ways because of many different reasons. If someone is utterly disgusted with themselves, wouldn't you say they have the right to strive for a change and not be victimized for it?

[BananaCucho]

if it does not negtivly efect you why does it matter what sex someone believe they are

Also a lot of misunderstanding of what is gender and what is sex. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. If a biologically born male believes they should have been born female, their gender is female while their sex is male.

That's why some get SEX changes - to align their sex with their gender.

Because fuck ignorance guys, you're on the internet already.

[ThePaladin]

Also a lot of misunderstanding of what is gender and what is sex. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. If a biologically born male believes they should have been born female, their gender is female while their sex is male.

That's why some get SEX changes - to align their sex with their gender.

Because fuck ignorance guys, you're on the internet already.

You beat me to it

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Lol I didn't know the site had so many bigots.

Why do people give a shit about how other people choose to live their lives? It literally effects other people 0%.

That's the problem with this law is that it can very easily involve a lot of people. Gay marriage is fine because two people get married and you don't have to deal with it. People are now able to just claim a gender and enter places they were previously not allowed to, making others uncomfortable, etc.

[ThePaladin]

Smoking is bad fir your health
We allow smoking

Why not allow other things if they dont affect you
Anf i mean secondhand smoking can actually hurt otbers even....

[ThePaladin]

Lets just invest in having bathroom stalls with sinks in all of them and any person can use sny stall. There are also actual full walls on the side of the stall.

Rveryones happy right?

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Lets just invest in having bathroom stalls with sinks in all of them and any person can use sny stall. There are also actual full walls on the side of the stall.

Rveryones happy right?

Is it okay if I compete in womens mma, or powerlifitng then? An average male claiming to be female can sweep both.

[ThePaladin]

Is it okay if I compete in womens mma, or powerlifitng then? An average male claiming to be female can sweep both.

I already stated that if a person wants to register as another sex then i believe they should be undertaking the medical procedure as a criteria unless they cannot afford it and such

[ThePaladin]

Suddebly I think we need a political subforum lol

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I already stated that if a person wants to register as another sex then i believe they should be undertaking the medical procedure as a criteria unless they cannot afford it and such

Yeah I agree with that.

Although I just realized I was supposed to be born a dinosaur. I want to register as a dinosaur please, it is the real me.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Hey can someone fix kidnapper on the mod? 21 kidnapper interrogator executes inarow my target has escaped. (only counting non night immune, not healed players). I am aware there is an optino for unblockable kill, but it is glitched regardless.

[Mesk514]

Hey can someone fix kidnapper on the mod? 21 kidnapper interrogator executes inarow my target has escaped. (only counting non night immune, not healed players). I am aware there is an optino for unblockable kill, but it is glitched regardless.

You can still play the mod?

[BananaCucho]

I already stated that if a person wants to register as another sex then i believe they should be undertaking the medical procedure as a criteria unless they cannot afford it and such

There are actual rules in place for this already for some sports. It's the right of any professional organization to make reasonable rules like this to protect the integrity of their sport. This isn't actually a problem. Just a retarded argument

Yeah I agree with that.

Although I just realized I was supposed to be born a dinosaur. I want to register as a dinosaur please, it is the real me.

Oh look at the retard implying that gender == species, kek.

[PowersThatBe]

To anyone who things homosexuality is "unnatural" or a "mental illness" ... I'll offer you this.

When in college my professor of religion/philosophy was talking about how homosexuality was "so unnatural" -- he meant it sarcastically. He then went on to inform the class that the same chemicals in the brain (oxytocin) that lead to attraction/forming bonds early in potential mates, are released in both straight and gay people. He then went on to tell my class that homosexuality is natures form of population control, because if you think about it, if every man and woman could reproduce we would be overrun and our resources would be depleted. So before you try to say being gay is a "choice" or it's "unnatural" just try to consider that it's actually designed by nature to allow for the population to grow in such a way that it does not overtake the earth. Also, homosexuality is found in almost every (or in every) species. Homophobia/discrimination is only found in one species.

Thanks to everyone defending the LGBTQ+ community, I saw some of the comments here, and I was blown away by the ignorance and bigotry.