M-FM VIII Gamethread

[Dust]

The Mafia killed Omeleet (Police) and left a death note giving everyone an ultimatum: vote to lynch Phyr (presumed Mason Leader) or die.

The Mafia has two allies at full member capacity (Outlaws and Tycoons). They know the Tycoons will vote with them because the Mafia are their best ally right now.

The Outlaws (myself and two others) have declared war on the Mafia because of this ultimatum. Forcing us to sacrifice one ally (Militia) so that they (Mafia) can decide who wins between their two allies (Outlaws/Tycoons) in the end is a dirty, dirty move and one we will not tolerate.

The Outlaws pledge allegiance to the Militia and all Citizens.

The Mafia have rallied with the Tycoons.

Two Citizens, both Mafia and Tycoon-aligned, have voted with the Mafia.

The remaining Police has sided with the Outlaws/Militia (his best bet to stay alive). If all Outlaws/Militia/aligned Citizens/Police vote for Duzero, he will be lynched and our group shall have majority (we can all win together). Otherwise, the Mafia/Tycoon will destroy us.

Our goal is to get Duzero lynched.

You forgot that the Tycoon-aligned citizen has a gun and will shoot someone who votes Duzero. Probably a citizen.

[Escaho]

You forgot that the Tycoon-aligned citizen has a gun and will shoot someone who votes Duzero. Probably a citizen.

You can try. Thanks for letting us know about the gun though. In case you forgot, we have an Escort.

[Dust]

You can try. Thanks for letting us know about the gun though. In case you forgot, we have an Escort.

In case you forgot, the Tycoons have a bus driver. Looks like there'll be incest tonight!

[Escaho]

In case you forgot, the Tycoons have a bus driver. Looks like there'll be incest tonight!

If Duzero is lynched, clementine will be spared from death if she votes with us, I can guarantee you that much. Phyr will also recruit her, I have no doubt. clementine has many notes and is a vital Citizen player. Her skill in deduction will help eliminate the Tycoon and Mafia threat.

The Outlaws, the Militia and their allies shall prevail. (And I will bake a cake for Rihfok when all is said and done)

[Dust]

Reading over Escaho's reply

You can try. Thanks for letting us know about the gun though. In case you forgot, we have an Escort.

I notice this about it:

Thanks for letting us know about the gun though.

He must have forgotten about this:

Here's an ultimatum: Citizens, vote with the mafia/tycoons or I will shoot you with the gun that was given to me.

I have your names. I'm looking at more the citizens who lose if they die.

Conclusion: Escaho isn't taking notes nor is he remembering important information. He is either lying to you all or misleading you. It may be unintentional. It would be wise to stop following Escaho.

[Escaho]

Reading over Escaho's reply

I notice this about it:


He must have forgotten about this:



Conclusion: Escaho isn't taking notes nor is he remembering important information. He is either lying to you all or misleading you. It may be unintentional. It would be wise to stop following Escaho.

Stop trying to discredit me. I was speaking in general terms, not like the information just came to light.

[Dust]

Stop trying to discredit me. I was speaking in general terms, not like the information just came to light.

If facts discredit you then what am I doing? I am giving light to the masses who might not note something like this. I am doing them a favor.

[Escaho]

If facts discredit you then what am I doing? I am giving light to the masses who might not note something like this. I am doing them a favor.

You are doing them a disservice. Our factions can kill and recruit in the same night. Yours can only kill (and one will likely be role-blocked. You cannot bus everyone). We have the advantage.

[Dust]

You are doing them a disservice. Our factions can kill and recruit in the same night. Yours can only kill (and one will likely be role-blocked. You cannot bus everyone). We have the advantage.

Ours can kill, blackmail, bus drive, witch, give a gun, and more (depending on the mafia faction; I don't know about them). You are only underestimating us.

[Rihfok]

I will side with the Tycoons if they will side with me.
But since we all know that it won't happen, I'm staying with the Militia.
The Outlaws still scare me.

[Escaho]

Ours can kill, blackmail, bus drive, witch, give a gun, and more (depending on the mafia faction; I don't know about them). You are only underestimating us.

You are underestimating us completely. You do not even know half our actual roles, but I do.

Your gun will be useless. Your bussing will not save you. Your bribe will fail (Ubernox). Your kill will fail. And best of all, you will not know why as your teammates go up in flames.

[Dust]

I will side with the Tycoons if they will side with me.
But since we all know that it won't happen, I'm staying with the Militia.
The Outlaws still scare me.

If things go badly (and I mean badly) for the mafia then the Tycoons will look to you for help. The Militia are much to love-blind to notice you. They only see the outlaws.

You never know, you could get a gun or something.

[Escaho]

I will side with the Tycoons if they will side with me.
But since we all know that it won't happen, I'm staying with the Militia.
The Outlaws still scare me.

They will not side with you. Read Dust's post. The Tycoons have devoted everything to the Mafia.

Your best bet is to straddle the line. You would want the Militia/Outlaws to win this vote, then swap to the other side tomorrow. You are virtually a Survivor at this point, letting both sides take each other out.

[Dust]

You are underestimating us completely. You do not even know half our actual roles, but I do.

Your gun will be useless. Your bussing will not save you. Your bribe will fail (Ubernox). Your kill will fail. And best of all, you will not know why as your teammates go up in flames.

I don't need to know. My teammates know. I trust them to do the correct actions. The fact of the matter is, you cannot know what we will do, who we will kill, who we will witch, who we will bus drive. There is very little you can plan to do.

[Escaho]

Carolina, Ash, clementine (now and once recruited), Sinclair:

We pledge allegiance to you.

[Rihfok]

Carolina, Ash, clementine (now and once recruited), Sinclair:

We pledge allegiance to you.

These are the Militia and Citizens, right?

[GriM-DeMoN]

For Night 1/2 I havn't had any Night Feed Back nothings happened to me

[Escaho]

clementine, this would be a pivotal time to make a move (and you know how). This is all an elaborate set-up to be played out over the upcoming night. We have the means. If Duzero is lynched, we shall succeed.

Dust will not shoot you.

[Escaho]

These are the Militia and Citizens, right?

Some of them, yes. Some have not come online yet...

[Ubernox]

Hey Gore bro. Would you like to tell us all the name of the Mason Leader?

[Dust]

clementine, this would be a pivotal time to make a move (and you know how). This is all an elaborate set-up to be played out over the upcoming night. We have the means. If Duzero is lynched, we shall succeed.

Dust will not shoot you.

Escaho, do you forget that a citizen's primary goal is to have their faction win? Clementine claims to be the mafia-aligned citizen. You can't force her to vote with you without making it clear to the other citizens that you don't care about them.

[Escaho]

Escaho, do you forget that a citizen's primary goal is to have their faction win? Clementine claims to be the mafia-aligned citizen. You can't force her to vote with you without making it clear to the other citizens that you don't care about them.

Mopin will win with the Militia regardless. He does not need to be recruited.

And in case you didn't notice it yet, the Militia have already recruited. It takes a keen eye, but it's there. And clementine will be their next recruit.

[Ubernox]

Ok, Listen up citizens.

According to your role card, provided by Dust, You can win with whoever you want by just surviving to the end. The militia and outlaws have propagated many falsehoods and lies, around this subject.

As for the recruited masons; You can win. Just tight and you'll be back to normal citizens once we've killed the rest of the militia.

[Ubernox]

Wait.... what? Dust has not been recited, and one of the citizens is dead. They also failed their first recruit on Goremancer, so even if they recruited successfully yesterday and today, they would only have five members. And there's no one left to recruit.

[Ubernox]

FYI there are a total of 4 citizens in this setup.

[Escaho]

FYI there are a total of 4 citizens in this setup.

You are missing several vital pieces of information.

clementine knows the truth.

[Ubernox]

And what is the elusive truth, then?

[CarolinaCrown]

holy balls there's so much subtext and so many secrets and I'm SO LOST

[Escaho]

holy balls there's so much subtext and so many secrets and I'm SO LOST

We are allies, you and I.

Duzero must die for us to succeed as partners. Believe me, we can make it happen.

[Ubernox]

Carolina, the Outlaws have allied themselves with the Militia, and the Tycoons have done the same with the Mafia. The Outlaws/Militia are relying on citizen support to make their push, so they're making up things and being elusive so that those of us not paying attention think that they have it all under control, when they don't.

Whether you're a citizen, mason or whatever, vote for Phyr and we'll help you win. According the the role card, both citizens AND masons have the potential to win with us Tycoons and Mafia.

[Ubernox]

What Escaho says is a bunch of motivational fluff and not much else. We, on the other hand, have facts.

Fact 1: We are going to have two kills tonight.

Fact 2: That number will effectively be raised to three.

Fact 3: Even though the Outlaws and Militia claim to have the majority, the reality appears to be the contrary, as the majority of the votes rest on Phyr.

[Escaho]

Carolina, the Outlaws have allied themselves with the Militia, and the Tycoons have done the same with the Mafia. The Outlaws/Militia are relying on citizen support to make their push, so they're making up things and being elusive so that those of us not paying attention think that they have it all under control, when they don't.

Whether you're a citizen, mason or whatever, vote for Phyr and we'll help you win. According the the role card, both citizens AND masons have the potential to win with us Tycoons and Mafia.

Citizens that can survive to the end game with Tycoons and Mafia can also survive to the end with Militia and Outlaw. They will also gain a night chat so they won't be bored out of their skull. You have threatened the Citizens to obey you with the threat of death. We ask that the Citizens make up their own mind, but would suggest that they join our side.

Do not trust the Mafia. They will be the death of you all.

[Dust]

Don't forget that I will shoot someone tonight. It could be you if you vote Duzero. If you're a citizen, well then sucks to be you.

[Escaho]

What Escaho says is a bunch of motivational fluff and not much else. We, on the other hand, have facts.

Fact 1: We are going to have two kills tonight.

False: As will be proven tomorrow morning if Duzero is killed, you will not have two kills tomorrow. You will be lucky to get even one. Do not presume to know what we are capable of. You do not have a Consigliere on your side.

Fact 2: That number will effectively be raised to three.

False: It will not.

Fact 3: Even though the Outlaws and Militia claim to have the majority, the reality appears to be the contrary, as the majority of the votes rest on Phyr.

False: The votes currently sit at 7 apiece. I still have a teammate who has yet to come online as well.

[Escaho]

Don't forget that I will shoot someone tonight. It could be you if you vote Duzero. If you're a citizen, well then sucks to be you.

There are those false threats again. First of all, Carolina is not a Citizen. Second, your shot will fail.

[Dust]

There are those false threats again. First of all, Carolina is not a Citizen. Second, your shot will fail.

First, you cannot block every kill. Second, you are not even sure of blocking one kill. Third, you do not know everything.

[Tasogare_Akira]

First, you cannot block every kill. Second, you are not even sure of blocking one kill. Third, you do not know everything.

Does this mean you were feigning having a gun, and are in fact the electromaniac?
This would allow you to kill more than one person at a time. We have already discerned that you are allied with the mafia.
You know that something's up. Either you're playing out your ass, or you know who precisely is capable of performing kills, and that there are more than one. Either you know who the mafioso and (possibly) the electromaniac are, or you're playing us for saps.
On that note, I find it highly unreasonable that the mafia would give a gun to a random person not within their team, even if they ARE a citizen.
Your testimony stinks.

[Dust]

Does this mean you were feigning having a gun, and are in fact the electromaniac?

That's exactly what I mean

/sarcasm

[Escaho]

First, you cannot block every kill. Second, you are not even sure of blocking one kill. Third, you do not know everything.

No, I do not know everything. But neither do you. And I would wager that I know quite a lot more than you do right now.

Should Duzero be lynched, a role list will be posted tomorrow of the remaining players. The Militia/Outlaws will win majority in this scenario and all Citizens will win with us.

[clementine]

Ok, I would like to say a couple of things. I am stuck in a dilemma, and I have not yet fully thought out what the correct course of action is to ensure my survival. Here are a couple of common themes that have risen to the surface of my stew of thoughts:

1. Escaho seems to be the Mitt Romney of this forum mafia game. It makes me very uncomfortable to think of how he seemed to support the mafia in the beginning few pages of this day, and then suddenly shifted his allegiance to the militia. I currently do not know what the rest of the outlaws are thinking regarding allegiances - @ Escaho, have you been elected as your faction leader, and do your faction members pledge to vote with you in a solid block? I am just trying to gauge whether your mindset is representative of that of your entire faction, or if it is just you who is so volatile and thus, scary. He is the only person I have felt threatened by this whole entire game so far.

2. Pending the answer to the first question, I feel that the best course of action might be to lynch the flip-flopper. If I am recruited to the militia, I think it may be the best course of action to go for a militia/police alliance. We could make up the deficit in police numbers with citizen recruits, and I believe that Rihfok would be elated at that idea. In my opinion, lynching Escaho may be a far better lynch than Phyr. Police want this. Tycoons want this. Now that outlaws have pledged their allegiance to the militia, Mafia want this. I believe this is also the smart militia move because Escaho is too volatile of an ally. This would also make the most sense for me because I can win with the mafia, or I may win if I am recruited. I do not really care about the outlaws unless they are aligned with the mafia (looks like this is not gonna happen), or unless they are allied with the militia (except I don't trust Escaho, mostly, not to switch his mind.) @ Duzero/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable in place of Phyr? Maybe I secretly want this to happen because it is in my best interest if neither mafia nor militia gets lynched at the moment.

3. At this point, I believe militia and the mafia/tycoons can do an equal job of ensuring my safety in this game. Out of self preservation, it makes 100% the most sense for me to ally with the militia if they agree to offer me protection at night. Can straykiwi comment on this? @straykiwi, Will I be given protection tonight if I vote with the militia? I do not wish to be shot by Dust's gun. If I cannot be assured to be given protection tonight, I will be given no choice but to keep my vote on Phyr.

tl;dr summary of answers I need before I make rash decisions:
@ Escaho, have you been elected as your faction leader, and do your faction members pledge to vote with you in a solid block?
@ Duzero/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable in place of Phyr?
@ police/militia/tycoons/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable?
@straykiwi, Will I be given protection tonight if I vote with the militia?

[Mopin]

Everyone that is a citizen read the end of the first paragraph of your role card. This PROVES that your one and only win condition is to let your own faction win (unless you are recruited).

The role card the one everyone is spreading around is an old one, which refers back to when citizens could choose who to join sides with, which is obviously outdated now.

The second paragraph talks about surviving as being a bad tactic, and instead while you can win while still being alive, try to take a bullet for your team. Which is the primary role of a citizen in any game of mafia. Understand?

[Ubernox]

And sooner or later, my teammate shall return, and he shall tell us the name of the Mason Leader.

[Escaho]

Ok, I would like to say a couple of things. I am stuck in a dilemma, and I have not yet fully thought out what the correct course of action is to ensure my survival. Here are a couple of common themes that have risen to the surface of my stew of thoughts:

1. Escaho seems to be the Mitt Romney of this forum mafia game. It makes me very uncomfortable to think of how he seemed to support the mafia in the beginning few pages of this day, and then suddenly shifted his allegiance to the militia. I currently do not know what the rest of the outlaws are thinking regarding allegiances - @ Escaho, have you been elected as your faction leader, and do your faction members pledge to vote with you in a solid block? I am just trying to gauge whether your mindset is representative of that of your entire faction, or if it is just you who is so volatile and thus, scary. He is the only person I have felt threatened by this whole entire game so far.

2. Pending the answer to the first question, I feel that the best course of action might be to lynch the flip-flopper. If I am recruited to the militia, I think it may be the best course of action to go for a militia/police alliance. We could make up the deficit in police numbers with citizen recruits, and I believe that Rihfok would be elated at that idea. In my opinion, lynching Escaho may be a far better lynch than Phyr. Police want this. Tycoons want this. Now that outlaws have pledged their allegiance to the militia, Mafia want this. I believe this is also the smart militia move because Escaho is too volatile of an ally. This would also make the most sense for me because I can win with the mafia, or I may win if I am recruited. I do not really care about the outlaws unless they are aligned with the mafia (looks like this is not gonna happen), or unless they are allied with the militia (except I don't trust Escaho, mostly, not to switch his mind.) @ Duzero/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable in place of Phyr? Maybe I secretly want this to happen because it is in my best interest if neither mafia nor militia gets lynched at the moment.

3. At this point, I believe militia and the mafia/tycoons can do an equal job of ensuring my safety in this game. Out of self preservation, it makes 100% the most sense for me to ally with the militia if they agree to offer me protection at night. Can straykiwi comment on this? @straykiwi, Will I be given protection tonight if I vote with the militia? I do not wish to be shot by Dust's gun. If I cannot be assured to be given protection tonight, I will be given no choice but to keep my vote on Phyr.

tl;dr summary of answers I need before I make rash decisions:
@ Escaho, have you been elected as your faction leader, and do your faction members pledge to vote with you in a solid block?
@ Duzero/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable in place of Phyr?
@ police/militia/tycoons/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable?
@straykiwi, Will I be given protection tonight if I vote with the militia?

clementine, before you take this a step further, perhaps this will satisfy your questions: I know what PM you received last night. I was privy to that decision.

[Tasogare_Akira]

And sooner or later, my teammate shall return, and he shall tell us the name of the Mason Leader.

I am the mason leader.

[Dust]

@ police/militia/tycoons/mafia, in light of events that have transpired in this thread, would an Escaho lynch be acceptable?

I can't speak for the Tycoons but this would be acceptable in my eyes.

[Mopin]

And sooner or later, my teammate shall return, and he shall tell us the name of the Mason Leader.

Why does that even matter anymore? The mason leader is a pretty unimportant role at this stage.

[Tasogare_Akira]

clementine, before you take this a step further, perhaps this will satisfy your questions: I know what PM you received last night. I was privy to that decision.

Ah, but you're getting ahead of yourself. What if she received no PM, and was bussed?

[Ubernox]

Phyr is not the mason leader. He is not an armour smith or a vigilante either, which means that he is either a lookout or a Doctor. Dust speaks the truth on our behalf.

[Dust]

Everyone that is a citizen read the end of the first paragraph of your role card. This PROVES that your one and only win condition is to let your own faction win (unless you are recruited).

The role card the one everyone is spreading around is an old one, which refers back to when citizens could choose who to join sides with, which is obviously outdated now.

The second paragraph talks about surviving as being a bad tactic, and instead while you can win while still being alive, try to take a bullet for your team. Which is the primary role of a citizen in any game of mafia. Understand?

It does not. The second paragraph explains an exception, which is survival. You are misleading the rest of the citizens.

[straykiwi]

@straykiwi, Will I be given protection tonight if I vote with the militia?

You were given protection last night, and we also tried to recruit you. (I made a post about this before, no idea where it's gone).
You were either a)bussed b)enforced) c)not citizen

If you switch vote to duzero, I believe you are citizen.
If you do not, I will think you are the godfather.

were you bussed last night?