M-FM VI Gamethread

[DramaLlama]

Waaagh I wouldn't mind lynching you right now to prove you are banshee.

All you want to do is mess up this chain which both socretin and mcpwnage agreed to early on (we haven't heard from socretin lately) and McPwnage himself said the chain is better than lynching one now and having remainder check each other.

Why are you putting words into my mouth which I never said?
Where does it say I think the haunting already know who the death knight is? I said the only reason they would NEED a shadow IS to find the dk.

And when I say ignoring I don't meant that you haven't thought about it, I mean you're ignoring it to make your case seem stronger than it actually is.

Ignoring what? I looked over the post you made (posted in the same minute I initially posted my plan) and don't see anything regarding ignoring anything. So I can't figure out wtf you are mentioning.

And Drama, did you even read what I wrote? I already gave you a situation in which person B would not be the liar. Therefore your point is invalid and you can enjoy a noose if others agree with me.

No you gave a situation where haunting recruits one of the 3.
I gave situations where haunting recruits, haunting doesn't recruit, Banshee is one of the three, all three are shadow hunters.

Your ignorance to reading anything clearly and posting your garbage to escelate the conflict and get a lynch train going leads me to believe you are some role that has no worries about dying.
What role is that? The banshee.

I call you out right now, what are you?
You can't be town because town wouldn't be stirring up the pot on something that seems logical.
Show me a situation where town loses with the proposed chain checking?

[Ubernox]

u r bullshitee

[Socretin]

hmmm

k well based on theWaaagh's suggestion to cut the invest circle down to 2 people then I say McPwnage and DramaLlama should investigate each other. Then have the Paladin smite me so I can finally 100% prove that I'm the sheriff...

you people say my claim was obviously the weakest but how does that make sense? Sure Drama's was long but it was made of info that could've been recycled from the FAQ and set-up topic, besides he said both people were innocent so what are they going to say "your lieing cause i'm not innocent!"

and McPwnage basically just said "btw i'm a third sheriff"

based on how the game has gone I'd be willing to believe there are 2 sheriff's and McPwnage is the second but I don't really trust Drama all that much

[TheWaaagh]

Waaagh I wouldn't mind lynching you right now to prove you are banshee.

All you want to do is mess up this chain which both socretin and mcpwnage agreed to early on (we haven't heard from socretin lately) and McPwnage himself said the chain is better than lynching one now and having remainder check each other.

Why are you putting words into my mouth which I never said?
Where does it say I think the haunting already know who the death knight is? I said the only reason they would NEED a shadow IS to find the dk.


Ignoring what? I looked over the post you made (posted in the same minute I initially posted my plan) and don't see anything regarding ignoring anything. So I can't figure out wtf you are mentioning.


No you gave a situation where haunting recruits one of the 3.
I gave situations where haunting recruits, haunting doesn't recruit, Banshee is one of the three, all three are shadow hunters.

Your ignorance to reading anything clearly and posting your garbage to escelate the conflict and get a lynch train going leads me to believe you are some role that has no worries about dying.
What role is that? The banshee.

I call you out right now, what are you?
You can't be town because town wouldn't be stirring up the pot on something that seems logical.
Show me a situation where town loses with the proposed chain checking?

You said the following:

Person A accuses Person B
Person B accuses Person C
Person C clears Person A
Therefore Person B is lying.

That is not true if the following has happened:

Person A is the valet and fake accuses Person B
Person B checks the converted that night Person C
Person C is converted and fake clears person A

In this situation both A and C have cleared themselves while actually being haunting.

You are ignoring the benefits of converting shadow hunters when you try to act like the Haunting would never ever in a million years do that no sir.

You can call me out all you want but you can go screw, there's been enough role-claims today. I need to talk to my mafia buddies at night to figure out my cover. You see I really am the Banshee, and I'm forcing everyone to lynch you because I think you are the most dangerous person here and I would rather see you die than recruit you.

Is that what you want to hear? Because it's pretty laughable. And while I can't do anything to convince any of you, please believe me when I say that if I was the cult leader I would never recruit Goremancer. I'd like to have people that aren't borderline retarded that admit they were converted to the town.

[Socretin]

gah for some reason i'm super perfectionist and I hate not knowing the final tally so here it is again:


Tally:

TheWaaagh (1) - Guardian
DramaLlama (5) - TheWaaagh, Azeryuu, deathfire123, Ubernox, Kromos
Goremancer (2) - Nick, Socretin
Ubernox (1) - McPwnage

[Socretin]

also it seems better to let dk deal with Goremancer so for the time being
unvote Goremancer

[Socretin]

and additionally I find it odd that all the random lurkers came on all at once to vote DramaLlama?

[wolfcheese]

Person A accuses Person B
Person B accuses Person C
Person C CLEARS Person A

Thus, Person B is the liar.

-Or Person A and person C are in the haunting. Maybe two of the sheriff claims being in the haunting seems ridiculous but I'm not excluding that possibility. (one of them would get lynched after person B but it still buys them time).
-Or Person A is the banshee and Person B is a neutral (Jester, Executioner, maybe even death knight).


I also do not like relying on the assumption that the three people will not get witched, converted, or killed. If that happens, it sets the town back a day.

[wolfcheese]

And yes my above post was a bit redundant after waaagh's huge post but I submitted it anyway.

vote DramaLlama

[TheWaaagh]

-Or Person A and person C are in the haunting. Maybe two of the sheriff claims being in the haunting seems ridiculous but I'm not excluding that possibility. (one of them would get lynched after person B but it still buys them time).
-Or Person A is the banshee and Person B is a neutral (Jester, Executioner, maybe even death knight).


I also do not like relying on the assumption that the three people will not get witched, converted, or killed. If that happens, it sets the town back a day.

That's something I'm not above considering. It would explain why McPwnage and Drama were like "Aha! This is how we get them to lynch Socretin". And even if one gets lynched the other just goes "Well, guess I'm the other sheriff and there was only two after all!"

[McJesus]

So you are saying two thirds of original haunting fakeclaimed shadow hunter? Lol that is so dumb, the fact is I wouldn't delegitimize Drama's roleclaim if I was hautning so either I am haunting (which would be dumb for me to claim shadow hunter), Drama is haunting, or neither of us are haunting. Both of us can't be haunting or I would give us the award for dumbest mfm mafia fake claims ever and that goes over mopin's investigation results INTO THE FUTURE!

[McJesus]

New plan since out of the three of us Drama is most likely to be haunting palidin smites him and me and socretin check each other?

[TheWaaagh]

So you are saying two thirds of original haunting fakeclaimed shadow hunter? Lol that is so dumb, the fact is I wouldn't delegitimize Drama's roleclaim if I was hautning so either I am haunting (which would be dumb for me to claim shadow hunter), Drama is haunting, or neither of us are haunting. Both of us can't be haunting or I would give us the award for dumbest mfm mafia fake claims ever and that goes over mopin's investigation results INTO THE FUTURE!

Be prepared for everything. The fact that it seems so dumb it couldn't happen is exactly why it'd work in this setup. Drama himself said how useless the valet is once he finds the Death Knight, and the Haunting replenishes any lost members as the game progresses. Not a bad trade to legitimize the Banshee.

But let's see what happens when Drama flips whatever he flips.

And again, any plan that takes the Paladin away from protecting people like Socretin and the armorsmith Guardian tonight is bad.

[Goremancer]

Be prepared for everything. The fact that it seems so dumb it couldn't happen is exactly why it'd work in this setup. Drama himself said how useless the valet is once he finds the Death Knight, and the Haunting replenishes any lost members as the game progresses. Not a bad trade to legitimize the Banshee.

But let's see what happens when Drama flips whatever he flips.

And again, any plan that takes the Paladin away from protecting people like Socretin and the armorsmith Guardian tonight is bad.

Quick question if do happen to flip town will my exorcist corpse shake your soap box?

[Goremancer]

Quick question I if do happen to flip town will my exorcist corpse shake your soap box?

Fixed.

[Guardian]

you do realize that the banshee could convert/lynch me if I'm not warded?
scenarios:
1) banshee witches me onto a haunting member
= Azeryuu says he didn't get vest = Guardian lynched
2) banshee converts me = (you know what happens)

[jimbobicus]

Thought we established this day 1. Luna doesn't clear anyone. "Why would she lie?" you might say. Well why would she tell the truth? You don't know for sure and there is no way you can confirm socretin was her target.

P.S. welcome to the game

To illustrate this read mfm IV. I am only on this post (276) right now

[Nick]

You are assuming that they've already found the death knight with their valet, why are you so sure of that? And you are also ignoring the fact that converting shadow hunters is how you cause mislynches while your numbers grow. And when I say ignoring I don't meant that you haven't thought about it, I mean you're ignoring it to make your case seem stronger than it actually is.

In regards to McPwnage, I already confirmed the existence of the bard since I was role-blocked night one. That's why I find the three shadow hunter story unlikely. If it turns out to be true though, I've already included a list of the people I doubt are acolytes/the bard. But I guess we'll see in the coming days.

And Drama, did you even read what I wrote? I already gave you a situation in which person B would not be the liar. Therefore your point is invalid and you can enjoy a noose if others agree with me.

I should note that was I role-blocked last night as well. But I believe that was the paladin trying to smite my ass because I'm always scum.

Which means Azer is probably telling the truth about being escort. Unless there's a counter-claim waiting to come out and play.

Found!

[Socretin]

oh yeah Guardians right. If we agree to lynch him as soon as Azeryuu doesnt received a vest... then Banshee just has to witch him...
So I agree that Guardian should probably be warded.

[Nick]

The Banshee (Lady Trianesh)
Investigator (The Valet)
Assassin
The Paladin (Sir Bastion) - Azeryuu
Cleric
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Shadow Hunter) - Socretin
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Shadow Hunter) - DramaLlama
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Shadow Hunter) - McPwnage
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Armoursmith) - Guardian
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Stalker) - Goremancer
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Herald)
Hidden Exorcists Power Role (Bard)
Acolyte
Acolyte
Acolyte
The Death Knight (Sir Purigon)
Hidden Neutral ***

All power roles found! Unlikely...

[Nick]

oh yeah Guardians right. If we agree to lynch him as soon as Azeryuu doesnt received a vest... then Banshee just has to witch him...
So I agree that Guardian should probably be warded.

Witching comes with killing. So if they don't convert and kill, they are just screwing with themselves. Whatever. WIFOM ward Guardian.

[Nick]

By the way, if TheWaaagh truly believes that DramaLlama is The Valet, why not reveal your role?

[TheWaaagh]

Quick question if do happen to flip town will my exorcist corpse shake your soap box?

You were not witched. Or you were witched onto your previous target (unlikely) and without them killing (unlikely). There is no worries for the Death Knight to kill you tonight.

In regards to Nick, I don't know 100% that Drama is the valet so role-claiming today isn't as useful. Tomorrow it'll probably happen though. Besides, we've got plenty of ward targets for tonight as it is.

[Socretin]

well assuming that TheWaaagh is town and that everyone is telling the truth there are only 2 possible roles he could be

He came up as innocent assuming either DramaLlama or McPwnage are telling the truth which makes him not the death knight

He has stated he was role-blocked AND that he was visited by the Herald meaning that he couldnt be Bard or Herald meaning he would not
be a power role

leaving him as an acolyte or Cleric

[Nick]

Fine. Fine. I'll trust you again for another day.

vote DramaLlama

If you turn out to be Executioner, remember that you need to survive to the end. Immune Executioner is a good target for conversion.

[Socretin]

That leaves 2 more votes until lynch for DramaLlama.

Personally I am still a bit hesitant to vote him myself and there is still another day left so there is no hurry.

[Nick]

DramaLlama (6) - TheWaaagh, Azeryuu, Deathfire123, Kromos, Ubernox, wolfcheese, Nick

[Socretin]

that would be 7 actually...

[Nick]

that would be 7 actually...

Aww... I would like to fool people and let him get hammered early.

Dark strategy of getting people lynched:
1) Giving lower number of votes
2) Missing a vote or two

[Socretin]

oh sorry lol I thought you just made a mistake

[Nick]

oh sorry lol I thought you just made a mistake

In fact I did... miscounted lol

[TheWaaagh]

well assuming that TheWaaagh is town and that everyone is telling the truth there are only 2 possible roles he could be

He came up as innocent assuming either DramaLlama or McPwnage are telling the truth which makes him not the death knight

He has stated he was role-blocked AND that he was visited by the Herald meaning that he couldnt be Bard or Herald meaning he would not
be a power role

leaving him as an acolyte or Cleric

Socretin got me, I'm the Cleric. Come at me Haunting!

[McJesus]

You know Borkbot bitches about how OP the Raynor's Raiders were but honestly I think the Haunting is way stronger than the Raiders ever were. I mean conversion wise I had two roles in there (bus driver, bodyguard) for the sole purpose of stopping converting vs borkbot only has half a role deticated to stopping conversion. I mean couldn't you have at least given anti conversion forces their own role? and you could only convert citizens which made up 7/17 non mafia roles vs the 14/17 non mafia roles that can be converted in this game. The lower kpn also leads to more confusion as the haunting are always going to make up their numbers through conversion and we can't narrow down who is converted.

Oh not to mention immune to everything until at least night 3 if not longer that is if we even find the banshee because they could very well be . And roleblock immune, if he wasn't you could at least argue that barding stops conversion but no it doesn't. The setup should have a deticated smiting role and a deticated anti conversion role.

[wolfcheese]

the haunting are always going to make up their numbers through conversion and we can't narrow down who is converted.

Not unless they all choose to reveal the message like gore did. That would be hilarious.

[TheWaaagh]

You know Borkbot bitches about how OP the Raynor's Raiders were but honestly I think the Haunting is way stronger than the Raiders ever were. I mean conversion wise I had two roles in there (bus driver, bodyguard) for the sole purpose of stopping converting vs borkbot only has half a role deticated to stopping conversion. I mean couldn't you have at least given anti conversion forces their own role? and you could only convert citizens which made up 7/17 non mafia roles vs the 14/17 non mafia roles that can be converted in this game. The lower kpn also leads to more confusion as the haunting are always going to make up their numbers through conversion and we can't narrow down who is converted.

Oh not to mention immune to everything until at least night 3 if not longer that is if we even find the banshee because they could very well be . And roleblock immune, if he wasn't you could at least argue that barding stops conversion but no it doesn't. The setup should have a deticated smiting role and a deticated anti conversion role.

I wouldn't worry about that too much. As it stands there's no witness that makes them nut at night and we have an invulnerable vigilante on our side. The only problem I have with this setup right now is the Silver Riddle. It's way too vague with a million plausible answers that can fit. Hopefully one of the answers we talked about today is right, or Bork will do something late game to help out town if it becomes clear we can't get it.

Then again, if Drama is the valet today Haunting gonna be so fucked lol.

[DramaLlama]

Socretin got me, I'm the Cleric. Come at me Haunting!

Convenient. Still think you are banshee. You claimed to get RBed by a bard who hasn't said a peep. Don't believe you until bard supports your claim.

Well it doesn't matter.

I will flip shadow hunter and trolololol in the graveyard.

InB4 "oh shit socretin is haunting".



Last few points before I go to bed/get lynched:

Riddle answer is likely "faith" or "courage"
I suggest azeryuu picks the right one.
He can submit answers for both gold and silver key until all are found.

Ubernox is acting scummy as hell. Not just because he voted me.
He didn't post much (at all?) day 1, and he has contributed literally nothing to todays conversations. Keep an eye on him.

Next is McPwnage. his claim seemed a lot more believable to me than socretins because like me, he didn't claim first day. But still, one of us is lying and it could very well be him. He basically said "Oh btw I'm sheriff too!" and halfheartedly role claimed. Think his night actions were N1 Luna and N2 TheWaaagh? Convenient as hell there too. First I clear waaagh and then McPwnage claims same?

I still think socretin could be the valet everyone is looking for who found the paladin early. He very well could be a smurf. Anyone recognize his writing style?

I have very little notes on Mopin. He wants the paladin to smite targets instead of warding which makes sense sorta, but at the same time points me to believe he is trying to get paladin off of warding key roles. He posts little and doesn't vote much.

Also have little notes on Fragos. He supposedly has a vest (it would be a stupid gambit to claim blacksmith and use one of your haunting buddies to verify your claim when you can easily be disproven the next night. So I don't think he is lying there.

Guardian claimed a little early for my tastes. He is probably armoursmith but why did he feel the need to claim so early? N1 not giving out a vest sort of makes sense but at the same time why didn't he give the paladin the vest? why fragos?

Deathfire123 could very well be the herald. This is what I have pinpointed him as.

Nick did what I did in FMx, posted tallies, didn't try to steer attention anywhere, interested in the affairs of the town but not directly influencing anything. he posts lots of lists and possible role claims. Anyways I pin him as acolyte/assassin.

TheWaaagh I really think is banshee. His play style creates a lot of drama (ironic. maybe he should have my com name?) and directs attention onto whoever he wants. It's almost as if he is the guy in the middle of the room screaming at everyone. He is basically the Sheppard and you are the sheep. He COULD be cleric because he wouldn't be afraid to be vocal in hopes that the haunting try to recruit him and waste a night. Maybe this is the case but it seems too easy that the first thing someone asks him if he is he claims. Get a full role claim out of him.

CmG is hard to read but I would guess he is an acolyte/neutral. Maybe even the deathknight, it would fit. Who knows.

Jimbobicus posts so little I barely know who he is. Think he said something about being away but still. I have no notes on him at all. Don't think he has voted anyone either. Modkill possibility? Acolyte/assassin.

Azeryuu paladin. nothing else to say there. Hard to fake claim for so long.

Goremancer probably haunting. Might have been mad they converted him and gave it away absent mindedly, maybe he's trolling idk. We still have a neutral in play but he can't be anything but detective.

Woflcheese. Posts little, makes some minor accusations, votes a couple of times. Very scummy. Acolyte/assassin.

Kromos wanted to be converted n1, now he wants to be warded. Jester possibly? Idk not very vocal so it seems unlikely. Is he doing some gambit?

Escaho is hard to read. I keep thinking he is guardian for some reason so some of my notes will be wrong. He sometimes posts tallies but avoids talking to much.
Said his internet went down and he is using his phone but why didn't he say that earlier in the day? I think he posted (maybe guardian?). Day 1 he also posted tallies and didn't do anything. If I had to peg him I would say acolyte/assassin.

[DramaLlama]

P.S. -vote TheWaaagh

Now I bid you all adieu

[Nick]

Easy then. The Bard should roleblock tonight. And two person can confirm tomorrow. I'll pass. I don't want to be roleblocked.

unvote DramaLlama

I'm wavering...

[TheWaaagh]

Easy then. The Bard should roleblock tonight. And two person can confirm tomorrow. I'll pass. I don't want to be roleblocked.

unvote DramaLlama

I'm wavering...

You're disappointing me Nick. He has a list of notes on people but doesn't think anyone could be the valet or Banshee besides me and Socretin. I've posted notes on everyone before in games where I was the mafia so it proves nothing. Letting him live tonight will give us less information than if we lynch him.

Also, keep in mind that if Drama is telling the truth and he is town, he will still win with us at the end of the game. It's why I'm so confused as to his voting patterns. If he thought I was the Banshee I'd think he wouldn't want to waste a lynch on me since I'd still be alive tomorrow. Conversely, you'd think he'd rather pressure one of the other two claims since that's likely where this mysterious valet would be hiding. But no, he tries to vote me the Banshee.

[Nick]

Also, keep in mind that if Drama is telling the truth and he is town, he will still win with us at the end of the game.

I'm convinced again!

vote DramaLlama

I think the remaining power roles should claim tomorrow. Except the Cleric!

[Socretin]

thank you again Drama for trying to put the blame on me...

even after I was one of the only people who said I would wait to lynch you in order to give you more time to fight your case...

[jimbobicus]

So has drama been hammered? Do I need to hammer? I suppose I should check the faq to see if the day will end with hammer...

I still think wolfcheese is suspicious (but not enough to warrant a vote today). I don't believe for a moment that he just got "confused about game mechanics"....again. I think he may have been expecting a kill or something...or confused about how his mafia team worked...

[McJesus]

We have 7 votes and it will take 9 to lynch.

[TheWaaagh]

So has drama been hammered? Do I need to hammer? I suppose I should check the faq to see if the day will end with hammer...

I still think wolfcheese is suspicious (but not enough to warrant a vote today). I don't believe for a moment that he just got "confused about game mechanics"....again. I think he may have been expecting a kill or something...or confused about how his mafia team worked...

He still needs two votes to be hammered and the day will continue even after he has been hammered. But it seems like we've gotten the most we're going to get out of today as it is.

Just to be clear, if Drama does flip town, Socretin should look into McPwnage tonight. If Drama flips valet, I'd suggest looking into one of the following people Socretin:

-Escaho
-Mopin
-Jimbobicus

Death Knight should kill Goremancer. Azeryuu should submit Faith as his answer (religion should count as a synonym for the purpose of getting the key). Azeryuu should give a ward to either Guardian or Socretin (Do not tell us which one).

I think that covers all of the necessary night actions.

[Socretin]

k well might as well get this over with:

-vote DramaLlama

one more vote to hammer

[Fragos]

Fine then. If day indeed will continue after that, then let's do this. Lynching DramaLlama is currently our best way of getting any information.

-unvote Goremancer
-vote DramaLlama

[Kromos]

Seeing as TheWaaagh is trying to direct the paladin away from me so that I am converted I need to role claim.

I am the coroner.

Checked Rocshi night 2

Your target was lynched.

Your target visited the following targets:
Night 1: No one

Your target submitted the following riddle answers:
Night 1 Bronze: home

I am the most important role in the game because when the banshee is lynched I can find every converted target which would win us the game. If I am converted I would give you fake results instead to get town lynched.

My riddle answers were:

Bronze: Fire
Silver: Baby

I didn't receive any keys.

[Kromos]

I'm pretty sure Fragos is scum or neutral and should have been lynched instead of Drama. Too late now though. TheWaaagh also doesn't put him in the list of people to check.

[TheWaaagh]

I'm pretty sure Fragos is scum or neutral and should have been lynched instead of Drama. Too late now though. TheWaaagh also doesn't put him in the list of people to check.

Personally, I haven't found Fragos that scummy this game. He's generally been talking as much as he does in any other game I've been in with him so I dunno.

You claiming coroner is a surprise, I really thought you were the wifoming Death Knight lol. But okay then listen up Azeryuu, Kromos is another important ward target for tonight. Again, don't tell us which one you're going to do.

[Ubernox]

So... He's lynched? Well, let us wait with baited breath for the final revelation of his true alignment.