KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Autumn]

Since I'm phoneposting -> could someone do or direct me to a ITA summary? Feels like I forgot who targeted who (I once again slept too little last night)

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1008330

[FM-Autumn]

Morning all

I have great news: The next 5 days are holidays here, as if I didn't already have too much time.
@FM-Scarf whenever you want we can discuss ITAs but we won't see eye to eye on chibi tbh

Joycat not being in there is probably a big fault of mine, but we have ITA2 and 3 people have 100% ITAs by ringmaster no?

i think people said the 100% ita didn't work?

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

Since I'm phoneposting -> could someone do or direct me to a ITA summary? Feels like I forgot who targeted who (I once again slept too little last night)

(this is copied from SSS, i'm just re-posting it because i want all the info in one post)
colored with the new flips


ITA Session 1:

Old Lickilicky -> Peekaboo, missed: wound inflicted
Mr Clean -> Angry Rectangle, missed: wound inflicted
Tiny Hippo -> Space Pizza, missed: wound inflicted
Matchstick Man -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Mining Peep -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Pareidolia -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
Silent shot -> missed: wound inflicted
Eyescream -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
Breakup -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Choo Choo -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
Platypus -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
Monet Rocket -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
SSS -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Bad Hair Day -> Angry Rectangle, missed: wound inflicted
Ringmaster -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Droopy Snout -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
Four Past Seven -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Hon Hon Hon -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
Disco Dancer -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted (note: disco dancer was lost wolf)
Angry Rectangle -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
The Hat -> Heterochromia, hit: killed, was town. FML.
Goldfish Bowl -> Angry Rectangle, hit: killed, was town. FML.
Scarf -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Talking Anthill -> Not Enough Legs, missed: wound inflicted
Oink -> Not Enough Legs, hit, killed, was town.
Space Pizza -> Pyramid, hit, killed, was mafia
[shot placed too late] Red Cross -> Hon Hon Hon



ITA Session 2:

*Note, Wakka Wakka functionally outted by accidentally trying to shoot Naptime before ITA window opened

Yellow Snow -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Candyfloss -> Wakka Wakka, hit: killed, was mafia
[REFUNDED] The Great Flood -> Wakka Wakka
[REFUNDED] Goblin and Worg -> Wakka Wakka
[REFUNDED] Lipstick -> Wakka Wakka
Wakka Wakka -> Naptime (died before shot went through)
Naptime -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Wakka Wakka
Autumn -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
The Great Flood -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
Lassie -> Thumbs Up, hit: killed, was mafia
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Thumbs Up
[REFUNDED] Chibi Minnie -> Thumbs Up
[REFUNDED] Goblin and Worg -> Thumbs Up
[REFUNDED] Lipstick -> Thumbs Up
Red Cross -> Popcorn Axolotyl, missed: wound inflicted
Chibi Minnie -> Popcorn Axolotyl, hit: killed, was town
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Popcorn Axolotyl
Goblin and Worg -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Chromatography -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Player 2 -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Lipstick -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Peekaboo -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Dredge -> Bad Hair Day, missed: wound inflicted
Snuggles -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
Protagonist Hair -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted


Did not use their ITAs: Catnip, ZOMG, Joycat


Between ITA sessions, FM-Breakup took shot on Decepticon, was consensus for them to shoot there

you can rely on this^

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1008330

@FM-Protagonist I didn't know there was mech to keep BHD alive tonight,

if that's something absolutely think is a good idea we can scrap that ITA list and go again by removing BHD from it, probably putting joycat in there

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

i think people said the 100% ita didn't work?

wait what?

Why

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1008330

sniped ffs

[FM-Autumn]

wait what?

Why

oink said hosts said it was too powerful or something

idk i haven't really been able to track the claims today lol

[FM-Mr Clean]

Oh people are more active now yippee

[FM-Mr Clean]

What does the post wolf role do again it joins every hood chat as its created?

[FM-Peekaboo]

What does the post wolf role do again it joins every hood chat as its created?

In The Loop (Passive): Whenever a chat between two or more living players is created (aside from any factional chats), you will non-anonymously join that chat. Unless stated otherwise, you are unaffected by all mechanics that would usually affect members of the chats you are in. There may exist certain chats which you do not automatically join due to reasons mechanical or otherwise.

[FM-Mr Clean]

In The Loop (Passive): Whenever a chat between two or more living players is created (aside from any factional chats), you will non-anonymously join that chat. Unless stated otherwise, you are unaffected by all mechanics that would usually affect members of the chats you are in. There may exist certain chats which you do not automatically join due to reasons mechanical or otherwise.

lol why am I in a hood chat they never joined what is this game

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

@FM-Protagonist I didn't know there was mech to keep BHD alive tonight,

if that's something absolutely think is a good idea we can scrap that ITA list and go again by removing BHD from it, probably putting joycat in there

reasons to keep BHD off the lists for now:

I can Unstoppable/Piercing kill BHD as long as I am alive.
We have limited amount of ITA shots. We don't know how many shots we control.
BHD is Euro player. They will be there on ITA1 and not ITA2.
Mafia didn't kill any of us. We are influencing the wifom in a towny way.
We are in a situation where one of us dies = other one will follow shortly.
rand>w/w = it is not a viable end-game strategy to put ourselves on a timer with an early claim.

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

anyone have a counter to those premises then please engage with me

[FM-Autumn]

lol why am I in a hood chat they never joined what is this game

i'm going to guess that your hood is one of those "chats which you do not automatically join due to reasons mechanical or otherwise"

[FM-Mr Clean]

i'm going to guess that your hood is one of those "chats which you do not automatically join due to reasons mechanical or otherwise"

Maybe but then I’d be special

[FM-Autumn]

i'm not gonna be able to be here for ita1 and idk if people are planning to change the shotlists before that so i'm just posting this lol
can you please make sure none of these people end up on shotlists, i have reasons to want them all alive
(pinging @FM-Yellow Snow @FM-Scarf @FM-Tiny Hippo @FM-Breakup if at least some of you are online during ita1 and can control the shotlists)

hippo
scarf
ringmaster
protagonist
lickilicky
mr clean
lassie
eyescream
droopy snout
choo choo
candyfloss
breakup

i'd really prefer if they didn't get shot at, but i'm not that sure about my reasons anymore, so if you have some actually good reason to add them, i wont complain

yellow snow
four past seven
space pizza
chibi minnie
(bhd because protag says so. i still dont trust them at all though)


still townread some of the people not mentioned in this list, but not strongly enough to veto shots on them

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

In The Loop (Passive): Whenever a chat between two or more living players is created (aside from any factional chats), you will non-anonymously join that chat. Unless stated otherwise, you are unaffected by all mechanics that would usually affect members of the chats you are in. There may exist certain chats which you do not automatically join due to reasons mechanical or otherwise.

I was in literally 3 different hoods and none had them

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

did you see? snuggles is living

@FM-Pareidolia
Did you see this post?

Oh and,

I sent you something last night. Did you receive it?

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

reasons to keep BHD off the lists for now:

I can Unstoppable/Piercing kill BHD as long as I am alive.
We have limited amount of ITA shots. We don't know how many shots we control.
BHD is Euro player. They will be there on ITA1 and not ITA2.
Mafia didn't kill any of us. We are influencing the wifom in a towny way.
We are in a situation where one of us dies = other one will follow shortly.
rand>w/w = it is not a viable end-game strategy to put ourselves on a timer with an early claim.

I have one small nitpick

theres a reason i put BHD and not you. Im convinced you are villa, im not convinced BHD is villa.

But if you want this I will remove them we I remake the shotlist together with scarf so they don't yell at me

[FM-Eyescream]

i'm not gonna be able to be here for ita1 and idk if people are planning to change the shotlists before that so i'm just posting this lol
can you please make sure none of these people end up on shotlists, i have reasons to want them all alive
(pinging @FM-Yellow Snow @FM-Scarf @FM-Tiny Hippo @FM-Breakup if at least some of you are online during ita1 and can control the shotlists)

hippo
scarf
ringmaster
protagonist
lickilicky
mr clean
lassie
eyescream
droopy snout
choo choo
candyfloss
breakup

i'd really prefer if they didn't get shot at, but i'm not that sure about my reasons anymore, so if you have some actually good reason to add them, i wont complain

yellow snow
four past seven
space pizza
chibi minnie
(bhd because protag says so. i still dont trust them at all though)


still townread some of the people not mentioned in this list, but not strongly enough to veto shots on them

Unless they were lying, I THINK Goblin is de facto part of this list if Lassie is?

But otherwise I support this and would fight for Pizza to be in the primary list.

[FM-Autumn]

I have one small nitpick

theres a reason i put BHD and not you. Im convinced you are villa, im not convinced BHD is villa.

But if you want this I will remove them we I remake the shotlist together with scarf so they don't yell at me

idk if you answered but i'm curious if you have opinions about dredge?

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

idk if you answered but i'm curious if you have opinions about dredge?

Gut town and not thinking too hard about him rn cus he mod posted an very strong role and gets anti claimed everytime soon-ish anyways

[FM-Yellow Snow]

Hello hello!!

Good afternoon

[FM-Yellow Snow]

four past has stepped up their game again today and I think it'd be a crime to put them on ITA lists. I still think hippo's started in a bad spot and don't know if we'll get good results because of that, but I guess I haven't been around to push mine so that's where we'll probably land.

FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia

here's the list as of droopy, waiting on yellow snow but there's multiple names not here that I'd want to see and multiple that I'd want off
BHD, Four Past, Oink, and Parei all feel like slots that should at the very least be further from POE than chibi, joycat, or hat (sorry), and seeing four of them on an 8 person list worries me for what tomorrow is gonna look like

Removing BHD & Oink from this
Who had the list so far so I'm not doubling pings?

[FM-Yellow Snow]

i'm not gonna be able to be here for ita1 and idk if people are planning to change the shotlists before that so i'm just posting this lol
can you please make sure none of these people end up on shotlists, i have reasons to want them all alive
(pinging @FM-Yellow Snow @FM-Scarf @FM-Tiny Hippo @FM-Breakup if at least some of you are online during ita1 and can control the shotlists)

hippo
scarf
ringmaster
protagonist
lickilicky
mr clean
lassie
eyescream
droopy snout
choo choo
candyfloss
breakup

i'd really prefer if they didn't get shot at, but i'm not that sure about my reasons anymore, so if you have some actually good reason to add them, i wont complain

yellow snow
four past seven
space pizza
chibi minnie
(bhd because protag says so. i still dont trust them at all though)


still townread some of the people not mentioned in this list, but not strongly enough to veto shots on them

Gotcha, will keep this in mind for later on

[FM-Yellow Snow]

The joys of different timezones :,)

Around if anyone needs me but I'll likely just re-skim ISOs from people currently on the shots list and try divide them into primary/secondary targets
@FM-Scarf if you havent already had the list, you're up

[FM-Mr Clean]

Btw does anybody know who 300+ poster day 1

[FM-Yellow Snow]

Btw does anybody know who 300+ poster day 1

I can check but not sure off the top of my head

[FM-Mr Clean]

I can check but not sure off the top of my head

Thanks piss guy I don’t know how to figure that out

[FM-Eyescream]

TOWN
FM-Tiny Hippo
FM-Autumn
FM-Oink
FM-Space Pizza
FM-Hon Hon Hon
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Droopy Snout

FM-Protagonist Hair
FM-Goblin and Worg/FM-Lassie
FM-Scarf
FM-Yellow Snow
FM-Breakup
FM-Snuggles

In no particular order except the tiers. I will go to war for the top tier. I will protest for the second tier.

LIGHT TOWN
FM-The Great Flood
FM-Platypus
FM-Ringmaster
FM-Mr Clean

FM-Peekaboo
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Player 2
FM-Lipstick
FM-Catnip
FM-Candyfloss
FM-Four Past Seven
FM-ZOMG
FM-Chromatography

Tiers are ordered again. I'd need a really convincing reason to consider the top tier and have no interest in ITAs there. The second tier is a mix of people I had reads on that are either vibes/forgot my reason, reads I'm sheeping off people I trust, and thoughts from reading half of EOD1. Also wouldn't ITA, could maybe vote with a less convincing reason.

Peek was almost in the first tier, but I feel like I need to refresh my diligence there, as I think back, they feel more like a passerby than a participant. I moved Chroma up here because i liked how they addressed me in our discussion earlier and think their thoughts and reasoning come from a towny POV.

NULL
FM-Mining Peep
FM-Pareidolia
FM-Chibi Minnie

FM-Joycat
FM-Old Lickilicky
FM-Dredge

Nulls are separated by "want to trust" tier(for no concrete reasons or really old reasons) and "don't feel I should trust". I kind of want to make Joycat wolves' problem, as I don't really think their role has harmed their claimed targets(unless they're responsible for Match dying with a delayed vig), and if left alive they'll either clear slots or potentially have something that reveals a wolf if I'm sort of reading their teased conditional right.

DIRECT POE
FM-The Hat
FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Talking Anthill

The remainder. I have pretty active reasons for sussing Anthill and Monet Rocket, am hoping Goldfish just resolves, and still don't really have any direct reason to townread The Hat(other than I think Autumn was hinting he had good spew from RC?).

This list feels poisoned

[FM-Dredge]

good morning. i didnt really sleep long

[FM-Yellow Snow]

Thanks piss guy I don’t know how to figure that out

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[FM-Yellow Snow]

good morning. i didnt really sleep long

Good morning!!

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

I have one small nitpick

theres a reason i put BHD and not you. Im convinced you are villa, im not convinced BHD is villa.

But if you want this I will remove them we I remake the shotlist together with scarf so they don't yell at me

thank you hippo-sama. bhd is in safe hands~

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

good morning all

[FM-Mr Clean]

TOWN
FM-Tiny Hippo
FM-Autumn
FM-Oink
FM-Space Pizza
FM-Hon Hon Hon
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Droopy Snout

FM-Protagonist Hair
FM-Goblin and Worg/FM-Lassie
FM-Scarf
FM-Yellow Snow
FM-Breakup
FM-Snuggles

In no particular order except the tiers. I will go to war for the top tier. I will protest for the second tier.

LIGHT TOWN
FM-The Great Flood
FM-Platypus
FM-Ringmaster
FM-Mr Clean

FM-Peekaboo
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Player 2
FM-Lipstick
FM-Catnip
FM-Candyfloss
FM-Four Past Seven
FM-ZOMG
FM-Chromatography

Tiers are ordered again. I'd need a really convincing reason to consider the top tier and have no interest in ITAs there. The second tier is a mix of people I had reads on that are either vibes/forgot my reason, reads I'm sheeping off people I trust, and thoughts from reading half of EOD1. Also wouldn't ITA, could maybe vote with a less convincing reason.

Peek was almost in the first tier, but I feel like I need to refresh my diligence there, as I think back, they feel more like a passerby than a participant. I moved Chroma up here because i liked how they addressed me in our discussion earlier and think their thoughts and reasoning come from a towny POV.

NULL
FM-Mining Peep
FM-Pareidolia
FM-Chibi Minnie

FM-Joycat
FM-Old Lickilicky
FM-Dredge

Nulls are separated by "want to trust" tier(for no concrete reasons or really old reasons) and "don't feel I should trust". I kind of want to make Joycat wolves' problem, as I don't really think their role has harmed their claimed targets(unless they're responsible for Match dying with a delayed vig), and if left alive they'll either clear slots or potentially have something that reveals a wolf if I'm sort of reading their teased conditional right.

DIRECT POE
FM-The Hat
FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Talking Anthill

The remainder. I have pretty active reasons for sussing Anthill and Monet Rocket, am hoping Goldfish just resolves, and still don't really have any direct reason to townread The Hat(other than I think Autumn was hinting he had good spew from RC?).

This list feels poisoned

Good list feels like sheeping even if it is poisoned

[FM-Yellow Snow]

I think it was like

Hippo/Scarf/Sonrisa over 300 D1?

Maybe slightly wrong there but those were the people topposting D1 as far as I remember and skimming SBPC lists I think all 3 either passed or were close to passing 300 near EOD

[FM-Mr Clean]

I think it was like

Hippo/Scarf/Sonrisa over 300 D1?

Maybe slightly wrong there but those were the people topposting D1 as far as I remember and skimming SBPC lists I think all 3 either passed or were close to passing 300 near EOD

So sonrisa got spam vigged probably

[FM-Mr Clean]

Wow I’m good at mafia

[FM-Yellow Snow]

Wow I’m good at mafia

wow you're good at mafia

[FM-Yellow Snow]

FM-Chromatography
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Pareidolia

Will skim through these names for a bit and try tier them between primary/secondary n go from there, I know Scarf mentioned they had a few people they wanted to see on there and remove others so will see if there's anyone I'd hard VETO on there and let them take the floor for other revisions whenever they're around

[FM-Dredge]

I'm like 90% sure Catnip said they were busy with work and that's why they weren't here most of D2.

There's a very real but insignificant feeling that you got that information from scumchat given the 3 references she made, when and what was said, and your interactions (or lack thereoff) with the slot this game.

But i'd look like an absolute lunatic going there so i just slept on it.

[FM-Autumn]

There's a very real but insignificant feeling that you got that information from scumchat given the 3 references she made, when and what was said, and your interactions (or lack thereoff) with the slot this game.

But i'd look like an absolute lunatic going there so i just slept on it.

we already have infinite lunatics in the game, so why would you worry about looking like a lunatic? :P

[FM-Dredge]

we already have infinite lunatics in the game, so why would you worry about looking like a lunatic? :P

oops slipped im da real moonmaster.

[FM-Lipstick]

Late to the party
But finally read ZOMG
And support shots there

I think what strikes me is
Narrow focus
Being involved in some conversations about a few players over time
Opposed to
Trying to make sense of the game as a whole
And constantly feeling like you don't have enough and are overwhelmed as a result

I think Red Cross has some of the same vibes

[FM-Lipstick]

Then Chromatography
Got so little out of this ISO
I think could go either way
But history says
That's an ok shot

Tone seems
Stifled

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

chibi might be looking better today, but their ITA performance was crap yesterday. certainly, a name to be considered for ITA2

[FM-Protagonist Hair]

if i weren't voting The Hat, then my vote would be on Monet Rocket/Anthill today.

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

chibi might be looking better today, but their ITA performance was crap yesterday. certainly, a name to be considered for ITA2

There are too many slots that I care about solving more than Chibi that they aren't a today concern at all.

I don't know why they're in your consideration after the ITA2 they had.

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

if i weren't voting The Hat, then my vote would be on Monet Rocket/Anthill today.

Hm.

I agree on Hat/Anthill as priorities, but is there a reason you have Monet?

I haven't been enthused by them either, but both of the now dead towncore (SSS and Naptime) seemed to think Monet should be removed from shots/consideration for now. And as much as I didn't entirely agree, I do think that's worth merit.