KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Monet Rocket]

@FM-Monet Rocket Are you saying that you think town should push you or policy you for inactivity
But also you're confused why you're on ITA lists?
Or am I misunderstanding
Can you expand on what's in your mind

no, I think that a town pov here in a "hard" game would be to policy me for inactiivty, so I like people pushing me here and tihnk that scum might just be white knighting me. at the very least from a town pov i dont think they gain much benefit from deffending me unless it's due to mech
id very much like to live (jk, id like to be itad but its my job as town to live)

[FM-Eyescream]

gm thread


think snow does this below but quoting it for completeness


@FM-Tiny Hippo The 100% ITAs didnt happen
suggesting a compromise below so lmk what you think about it


ill be dropping 4past and it seems thats the only one on the most current shotslist


SNOW'S LIST:
FM-Chromatography
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Pareidolia

MY SUGGETSTION:
I still think that four past and parei are out of place here, so how about we drop both of them and add joycat to make the resulting 5? This would make the list:
FM-Chromatography
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Joycat

What are people's thoughts on this? Gives us another good list of 5 we can force shots into.
I'd also like to suggest that instead of pushing for exactly one shot at a time, we sort the list and always push for exactly 2. This lets people choose still and might give us moe info than nap's list while still getting to sort through it.

If I was sorting it, I'd do:
FM-Joycat
FM-Chromatography
FM-Platypus
FM-Player 2
FM-Talking Anthill

so would mean shots start on joycat and chromatography, once one of those dies it includes platypus, once one of those dies it adds player 2, etc.



I think mafia on mafia violence is a thing that happens, rarely but definitely possible especially when it comes to lowposting slots like joycat

If I'm being honest, I don't feel great about this list. Anthill is my top choice and I'm ok with resolving Joycat, but I like Chroma more now and don't want Platypus on the list. I guess I wouldn't fight hard for Player 2 even though I lightly townread them.

I'd have Anthill at the top of the list, Joycat probably paired there, and Platypus at the bottom at least.

[FM-The Great Flood]

If I remember correctly Sad Super Saiyan was shielding you. And they died. I think someone bought it up and is a good reason to not have you as a priority shot rn

[FM-Monet Rocket]

cool stuff. wish i had a more impactful role

why did you pick me and catnip?

i think you both are fiarly obvious town, also you both seem lke strong players

[FM-Chromatography]

hippo autumn me yellow

Thanks.

[FM-Monet Rocket]

If I remember correctly Sad Super Saiyan was shielding you. And they died. I think someone bought it up and is a good reason to not have you as a priority shot rn

true i should be hard shielded

[FM-Monet Rocket]

(thats not a good reason though)
in a game with like, surelt 15+ wolves or at least~~15 wolves chances are they just dont care about my slot, and they certainly would just ignore the nks reads in a attempt to kill me
this isnt a good reason to call me wolf, but the point being that the reasoning in question brought by the player isn't a good reason to call me town either. i dont like using nka analysis on lhf slots that arent contributing much

[FM-Monet Rocket]

IE: the person who brougth it up might be wolf with TMI
i dont tihnk that i should be killed here, but i do think that a town mindset wouldnt be dead set on sheeping a NK w/o much in addition to that, especailly when it could 1. be a frame kill and 2. wolves probably dont give a siht about my slot, as well as sss being obvious town and a good player(presumably)

[FM-The Great Flood]

(thats not a good reason though)
in a game with like, surelt 15+ wolves or at least~~15 wolves chances are they just dont care about my slot, and they certainly would just ignore the nks reads in a attempt to kill me
this isnt a good reason to call me wolf, but the point being that the reasoning in question brought by the player isn't a good reason to call me town either. i dont like using nka analysis on lhf slots that arent contributing much

Im not really calling you town. Just that I prefer looking up a slot that feels more likely to flip wolf with the current info. Tho Idk who removed you from shotlist , I think you prob are a good low prio target or to keep there so you dont go Under the radar

[FM-Eyescream]

@FM-Scarf I still think Pareidolia should be on the ITA list. They did a really good job of reading the ISOs when the mod message saying "one of these people is mafia", but they've been scumreading literally the same 3 people (with no other reads) since the start of D1 and instead of looking at other slots they've been just shouting about how bad the ITA list was or trying to push their scumreads. Unless Pareidolia starts making some other reads i just think it's weird for them to be tunneling this long. I have no idea how to resolve this slot if they aren't going to do anything besides sr The Hat, Protag, and Hon Hon Hon.

Actually being reminded of Pare during ITA1 last phase, I think them screaming about the list being shit when Wakka and Thumbs Up were on it is a bad look.

Especially since I townread Protag and Hon

[FM-Player 2]

I specifically engineered the post to be towny so good

Now THIS is super towny

[FM-Oink]

@FM-Monet Rocket
If your role doesn't naturally make you survive that many wounds, are you suggesting that someone gave you armor / protection?

I don't want to hunt docs but why would someone want to protect someone with so few posts?

[FM-The Great Flood]

IE: the person who brougth it up might be wolf with TMI
i dont tihnk that i should be killed here, but i do think that a town mindset wouldnt be dead set on sheeping a NK w/o much in addition to that, especailly when it could 1. be a frame kill and 2. wolves probably dont give a siht about my slot, as well as sss being obvious town and a good player(presumably)

Also I think this is towny thought :hmmyes:

[FM-Monet Rocket]

Im not really calling you town. Just that I prefer looking up a slot that feels more likely to flip wolf with the current info. Tho Idk who removed you from shotlist , I think you prob are a good low prio target or to keep there so you dont go Under the radar

yeah, i think that im a low prior target atm - i just dont get why people would be calling me town here
sure, the former is reasonable

[FM-Monet Rocket]

@FM-Monet Rocket
If your role doesn't naturally make you survive that many wounds, are you suggesting that someone gave you armor / protection?

I don't want to hunt docs but why would someone want to protect someone with so few posts?

good question, i dont know whyh i would have an answer to that
chances are im just lucky

[FM-Goldfish Bowl]

Goldfish , sorry but without links that wall just is super hard for me to parse through. Can you write your conclussions of your read through? That'll help me more to see where your head is at

Townier
Four past
Hat
Snuggles
Hon
Lipstick

Inconclusive

Dredge
Anthill
Protag
Chibi

Scummier (?)
Scarf
Player 2

[FM-Droopy Snout]

Spoiler : Quotes :

POSSIBLE SHOT LIST (EBWOPED Since last one had a poisoned guy):

FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Eyescream
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Lassie
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-ZOMG
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Lipstick
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia

You will proceed as follows: Remove two names, then ping your top townread (just like yesterday) to do the same.

The 6 who remain will be our shot list for ITA1.

Same deal as before: You shoot outside of list, and dont kill a wolf -> all guns turned into you no questions asked

I will start by pinging @FM-Autumn

actually i'm too lazy to read so i'm going with my gut and taking out eyescream and lipstick lol

FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Lassie
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-ZOMG
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia
@FM-Droopy Snout you're next

remove zomg and...i have no idea. Lassie?

FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia

@FM-Yellow Snow you next

Removing BHD & Oink from this
Who had the list so far so I'm not doubling pings?

Hippo started it with:
FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Eyescream
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Lassie
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-ZOMG
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Lipstick
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia

Autumn removed Eyescream + lipstick
I removed ZOMG and Lassie
Yellow removed BHD + Oink

FM-Chromatography
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Pareidolia

I strongly believe monet and possibly hat should be added
money shouldn't be hard to finish

[FM-Lipstick]

My personal shot list
At this moment in time
Would probably be like
Somewhat ordered

ZOMG
Chroma
Pareidolia

Anthill
Lickity
Chibi (But Hippo wants them alive for mech reasons)

And then I have spicy shots that aren't priority and won't happen but I have tingles on
Yellow (Not sure the focus on Pyramid was clean)
Breakup

And then I will wait and see interactions for
Hon

And still people I have no opinion on yet cause reading takes forever like
Hat
Player 2

Don't recommend shooting
Goldfish
Lassie (vibe)
Platypus (old read)

Kind of hate doing this
Because there are bound to be town here
And I have sads from that

[FM-The Great Flood]

Townier
Four past
Hat
Snuggles
Hon
Lipstick

Inconclusive

Dredge
Anthill
Protag
Chibi

Scummier (?)
Scarf
Player 2

Ty!

Can you expand on why Hon was townier? And Scarf and Player 2 Scummier ~

[FM-Player 2]

Townier
Four past
Hat
Snuggles
Hon
Lipstick

Inconclusive

Dredge
Anthill
Protag
Chibi

Scummier (?)
Scarf
Player 2

This is most certainly a list.

How did I get to the bottom?

[FM-Goldfish Bowl]

hey

if we have a doc, then they will save you from the poison. i think you are fine

Not what I’m asking for here. I’m asking for ACTUAL insight on any of my reads. I don’t care if I die
What I’m asking for is to look at my analysis and comment something and not just have everyone mass ignore this slot giving easy access for scum to backtrack when I die

[FM-Droopy Snout]

and to reiterate i would like joycat to not be on the list

[FM-Player 2]

Spoiler : Quotes :

Hippo started it with:
FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Eyescream
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Lassie
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-ZOMG
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Lipstick
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia

Autumn removed Eyescream + lipstick
I removed ZOMG and Lassie
Yellow removed BHD + Oink

FM-Chromatography
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Pareidolia

I strongly believe monet and possibly hat should be added
money shouldn't be hard to finish

Ty, now this is good, people need to be held accountable for who they remove and leave on. Do you have the same for yesterday by any chance?

[FM-Space Pizza]

got a meeting but ill be back for ITAs afterwards, just checking in

I dont think I saw discussion around it (or its on the few pages Ive not read yet)

but with the Red Cross flip how do people feel about BHD and Prot now?

this list is
- meaningless because "1 or more" in 5 is pointless
- now entirely useless because we already got 1 scum in that pool, so it means nothing at all, the remaining people can be literally anything, even if we assume this announcement to be trustable

and then you test the waters
I don't know if you're on the lists going around (dont have time to backread to find them atm, will do that after my meeting), but I believe you should be
do you have anything to say for your defense or would you rather walk the plank

[FM-Monet Rocket]

choo choo is still wolfy by the way!

[FM-Monet Rocket]

im going to have more posts than space pizza soon

[FM-Oink]

Townier
Four past
Hat
Snuggles
Hon
Lipstick

Inconclusive

Dredge
Anthill
Protag
Chibi

Scummier (?)
Scarf
Player 2

Idk why but I read this readlist and I had the weirdest feeling of disgust here. This is completely unnatural for me so I'm surprised I had this feeling at all. I'm ISOing you after I get through Monet Rocket

[FM-Droopy Snout]

My personal shot list
At this moment in time
Would probably be like
Somewhat ordered

ZOMG
Chroma
Pareidolia

Anthill
Lickity
Chibi (But Hippo wants them alive for mech reasons)

And then I have spicy shots that aren't priority and won't happen but I have tingles on
Yellow (Not sure the focus on Pyramid was clean)
Breakup

And then I will wait and see interactions for
Hon

And still people I have no opinion on yet cause reading takes forever like
Hat
Player 2

Don't recommend shooting
Goldfish
Lassie (vibe)
Platypus (old read)

Kind of hate doing this
Because there are bound to be town here
And I have sads from that

Why zomg? Do you not think what I gave you is very town indicative?

[FM-Monet Rocket]

Ty, now this is good, people need to be held accountable for who they remove and leave on. Do you have the same for yesterday by any chance?

dont just witch hunt for people that have poor reads, that can create a hyper poor gamestate where bad towns get punished ftr

[FM-Monet Rocket]

Idk why but I read this readlist and I had the weirdest feeling of disgust here. This is completely unnatural for me so I'm surprised I had this feeling at all. I'm ISOing you after I get through Monet Rocket

my iso is very large be warned

[FM-Goldfish Bowl]

This is most certainly a list.

How did I get to the bottom?

General vibes
Not very strong but I do agree with whoever said that you have the potential to be a sly person who is hiding in front of us.
Whoever said that

[FM-The Great Flood]

Spoiler : Quotes :

Hippo started it with:
FM-Chromatography
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Eyescream
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Lassie
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-ZOMG
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Lipstick
FM-Oink
FM-Pareidolia

Autumn removed Eyescream + lipstick
I removed ZOMG and Lassie
Yellow removed BHD + Oink

FM-Chromatography
FM-Four Past Sevem
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Player 2
FM-Platypus
FM-Pareidolia

I strongly believe monet and possibly hat should be added
money shouldn't be hard to finish

Thankss . Why did you removed Lassie and Zomg? Did you give any reasoning?

[FM-Oink]

@FM-Monet Rocket why'd you shoot at Joycat yesterday btw?

[FM-Player 2]

got a meeting but ill be back for ITAs afterwards, just checking in



this list is
- meaningless because "1 or more" in 5 is pointless
- now entirely useless because we already got 1 scum in that pool, so it means nothing at all, the remaining people can be literally anything, even if we assume this announcement to be trustable

and then you test the waters
I don't know if you're on the lists going around (dont have time to backread to find them atm, will do that after my meeting), but I believe you should be
do you have anything to say for your defense or would you rather walk the plank

Was this it, your one contribution was to come in and say "No it had a wolf on it but its meaningless!" really? Thats what youve got to add to this conversation? Like the fact you dont even say you have V or W reads on the two mentioned names just shows a huge amount of hedge, wanna borrow my trimmer?

And no its against town wincon to walk the plank, so Ill be keeping my feet on dry land.

[FM-Monet Rocket]

@FM-Monet Rocket why'd you shoot at Joycat yesterday btw?

I was told to by Catnip

[FM-Droopy Snout]

Thankss . Why did you removed Lassie and Zomg? Did you give any reasoning?

Lassie honestly was gut
ZOMG felt more confident in. See this post:

this post is carrying my TR:


they do drop that ish but they come back to it like two posts later

[FM-Monet Rocket]

Im a free human with free will, and I choose to use that free will to sacrifice all of my free will

[FM-Player 2]

General vibes
Not very strong but I do agree with whoever said that you have the potential to be a sly person who is hiding in front of us.
Whoever said that

I...see...

I mean I dont think that counts when I was just hiding offline for most of D2

[FM-Eyescream]

choo choo is still wolfy by the way!

Why so?

[FM-Player 2]

dont just witch hunt for people that have poor reads, that can create a hyper poor gamestate where bad towns get punished ftr

No but you can see trends yes? The point is that people cant do something scummy and disappear into the wood work. Like you have to force wolves to explain why they do what they did, thats when you catch em out.

[FM-Monet Rocket]

Why so?

Theyve posted shit all game and everybody is ignoring it
Name one statemnet they've made that they've pushed for with any intent to get something done whatsoever
Their reads are just frankly bad and there ISO is filled w/ fluff

[FM-Player 2]

Idk why but I read this readlist and I had the weirdest feeling of disgust here. This is completely unnatural for me so I'm surprised I had this feeling at all. I'm ISOing you after I get through Monet Rocket

Spew from a poisoned wolf?

[FM-Space Pizza]

uh, yeah. protag hair pushing me here should just be towny; i like the people pushing me, iu think my posts are really good but i also think that most town should be attempting to policy me for inactivity
ftr, both protag hair and catnip should just be virtually roleblock immune(lvl 10 empower, they could be rbd but thats unlikely)

people going "pushing me is towny" matches with frozen scum, and considering how Monet seems to be relatively low content/lack of stances/etc., this should be on the pewpew list as well

[FM-Lipstick]

Why zomg? Do you not think what I gave you is very town indicative?

No I don't
Cause I think their focus on RC on D1 is
More conspicuous if anything
As they weren't really involved in much
But somehow found some great interest in RC
But didn't follow through or follow up on it

And on D2 they circled back to it after RC was already outed

And I think their general play is not someone trying to make sense of the whole game

I'm obvious not one for strong wolf reads
But it's not enough to be shielded from shot list imo

I'll take a second look just to make sure
It's not that much to read

[FM-The Great Flood]

Lassie honestly was gut
ZOMG felt more confident in. See this post:

ohh yeah I remember I read that in their ISO.
What gave me pause is that after ISOing and leaving the ISO with a bad taste on Red Cross, they voted Anime Protagonist. I think I pinged them but idk if they saw it . Clarification in their approach / read to Red Cross would be appreciated @FM-ZOMG

[FM-Monet Rocket]

people going "pushing me is towny" matches with frozen scum, and considering how Monet seems to be relatively low content/lack of stances/etc., this should be on the pewpew list as well

Now this post is just shitty given it's a pretty bad take LMAO
People pushing me is towny due to the thread position ive taken, feels liek trying to get a LHF town read from a player who explicitly stated what exactly they're looking for zzz
(Probably town AI shitty though)

[FM-Goldfish Bowl]

Ty!

Can you expand on why Hon was townier? And Scarf and Player 2 Scummier ~

Scarf felt like be backtracked a lot
Also being a hypocrite for townresding someone for x but scumreading someone for y
It’s somewhere in there where I mentioned this.

I think Hon is townier because I don’t think the 4% was necessarily incriminating and looking back on it his eod was towny. Also I don’t think Red Cross shoots Hon without Hon having armor but that’s setup spec and that never works out wel

[FM-Eyescream]

FM-Talking Anthill
FM-Pareidolia
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-The Hat
FM-Joycat
FM-Chibi Minnie

FM-Dredge

These are all the slots I am fine with being on shotlist(not in order other than Anthill is my priority). I separated Dredge because for now I want to honor Autumn's read about Red Cross spew.

[FM-Monet Rocket]

Now this post is just shitty given it's a pretty bad take LMAO
People pushing me is towny due to the thread position ive taken, feels liek trying to get a LHF town read from a player who explicitly stated what exactly they're looking for zzz
(Probably town AI shitty though)

Town AI as in twtbaw
wolf once again probably just calls me town there given I'm incredibly blatent town

[FM-Oink]

I was told to by Catnip

You mean Scarf? Catnip wasn't there.

But also you tried to shoot on the bottom of the ITA list and then the top, and it seemed like you didn't care what you were shooting at, you just wanted someone to tell you who to shoot instead of making that decision on your own.