S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Varcron]

I'm not voting (yet) but I'm not scum. Voting scum with a guilty is just free town cred, Scum are going to fight tooth and nail to be on that wagon, ^

This seems like a rather odd explanation seeing as everyone is entitled to their own opinion and IMO a whole wack of really weird trains in the past have been town-based. But this gives me weird vibes

[Varcron]

No shit.
It’s literally Cape and Mizery + You or Oliver

So I'm confused here, based of of Auwts posts currently compared to mine i'm not sure how they're in the ISO for scum but I'm not? Your logic seems flawed in that regard because we're both equally as inactive (well I mean me a bit moreso but still)

[Varcron]

Lots of people in here yet no posts, big sadge i feel lonely

[Dark Magician]

Who is Heltz?

So either ur lying or Helz is mafia here

THIS IS SUPER OPEN WOLFING
Here is why guys:
Helz is confirmed town via yesterday
And
Cape stated earlier they heard they were Red Checked but never said where the heard it from.

[Varcron]

Well I gotta run. I do think hunting outside of Cape is our best use of time. Huo is extremely likely town all things considered and Cape is likely going to be the days end lynch. Very weird potentials exist like Huo being corruptor and such but the chances are so small and the play would be so illogical for that to exist that its not even worth considering imo.

All things considered I am pretty happy with how N2 played out.

Again, concur with this read too

[Dark Magician]

ok nvm, this is just trolling scum lolz

And you were being a silly town.
Good to see you are getting your smart town hat on now buddy!

[Varcron]

the vibes from the last two pages of this are kinda weird not going to lie. lots of words not a lot said if that makes sense

[scumbot5679]

This seems like a rather odd explanation seeing as everyone is entitled to their own opinion and IMO a whole wack of really weird trains in the past have been town-based. But this gives me weird vibes

for someone claiming that everyone is entitled to their opinions you sure don't like anyone (me/my) elses opinion. I just think the everyone voting for is town/everyone not voting is scum is a bit surface level.

[Dark Magician]

Now hear me out, right

I don't really remember how DM plays but unless I'm getting played big time they're town, literally everything they've said at least so far has them as my top town read (hot take for some people I know)

Scum team would make sense as Mizery+Cape+Martin IMO because I don't feel as though Martin has behaved like the Martin I'm used to as town

It isn’t Martin, Martin is town from how Mizery treated them.
The read they made on Martin was SvT.

The last wolf after Cape and Mizery is Oliver or Auwt.

[Varcron]

for someone claiming that everyone is entitled to their opinions you sure don't like anyone (me/my) elses opinion. I just think the everyone voting for is town/everyone not voting is scum is a bit surface level.

no i agree with this, that makes sense

what i am trying to say is that people on far out trains are more likely to be town (like your vote on huo, for example) than not.

[Dark Magician]

Bounty Hunter and other Neut is going to be a pain to figure out NGL.

[Varcron]

It isn’t Martin, Martin is town from how Mizery treated them.
The read they made on Martin was SvT.

The last wolf after Cape and Mizery is Oliver or Auwt.

I disagree, respectfully. Based off of how Martin has played the game so far I think the team would make sense as Mizery+Cape+Martin. I don't think Auwt or Oliver make sense in that team personally

[Dark Magician]

Like maybe Varcron/Porscha contains a Neutral?
I really honestly don’t know, it’s quite more difficult to find the Neutral here.

[Dark Magician]

I disagree, respectfully. Based off of how Martin has played the game so far I think the team would make sense as Mizery+Cape+Martin. I don't think Auwt or Oliver make sense in that team personally

Oliver makes allot of sense from what I explained.
You even quoted the post of me talking about both Mizery and Oliver being wolves.

Do not forget if it wasn’t for both Cape and Mizery, Oliver would have went over.

[Varcron]

Like maybe Varcron/Porscha contains a Neutral?
I really honestly don’t know, it’s quite more difficult to find the Neutral here.

I'm not sure how I give neutral vibes and to be honest I'm not really sure I've seen a single porscha post from the last few pages but I'll read back and take a look

[Dark Magician]

Huo Huo and Mr Tail (3): Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, bwcPorscha
oliverz144 (3): bakermir, Huo Huo and Mr Tail, Helz
bakermir (4): oliverz144, Mizery, scumbot5679, Cape90
Marshmallow Marshall (1): Auwt
Cape90 (1): Lilypetal
Skip Day (3): Luka; Dark Magician; Varcron

Bakermir was lynched.

Their role:

Spoiler : “Role Card” :

Teacher - Choose 2 players at night. Learn if their alignments match or not. (Mafia/Town/neutral). Cannot target self.

As you can see here.
They saved Oliver.

[Varcron]

As you can see here.
They saved Oliver.

I see that

But that could also be scum paint to get a second town lynched and sow doubt in us.

[Dark Magician]

I see that

But that could also be scum paint to get a second town lynched and sow doubt in us.

But Mizery came into today with not even wanting to touch Oliver I don’t think.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Who is Heltz?

So either ur lying or Helz is mafia here

From your "pov" i should always be lying kid

- Mr Tail

[Dark Magician]

Hey Varcron.

Mizery made a post on page 10 that explains their reads.
They were trying to go by and direct the fact the wagons could all be VVV.
But yet pushed Hau later but never touched Oliver.

[Dark Magician]

didn't feel like podracing so i wouldn't be suprised if oli and huo huo are v,

if so that ups wolf equity in lily and auwt for sitting on vanity wagons and not really caring about who died, but also if v/v/v wagons wolves are more likely to have voted than not since they wouldn't want to miss an opportunity by accidentally just skipping day.

Huo Huo and Mr Tail (3): Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, bwcPorscha
oliverz144 (3): bakermir, Huo Huo and Mr Tail, Helz
bakermir (4): oliverz144, Mizery, scumbot5679, Cape90
Marshmallow Marshall (1): Auwt
Cape90 (1): Lilypetal
Skip Day (3): Luka; Dark Magician; Varcron

so then if we assume v/v/v wagons then we can assume ~one evil on each wagon with possible 6 total

mm/porscha
--
scumbot/cape
Auwt/lily
luka/dm/varcron

Again- Auwt/lily more likely to be wolves out of all of them, since they were sitting on low impact vanity wagons while people were consolidating, possibly not wanting to get caught up in flipping a townie.
Cape more likely to be town in this scenario imo, since he was the most recent vote on bakermir and might have been more self conscious about that unless he expected things to move.

I think probably this is a fine place to start, wanting to kill porscha/auwt/lily/dm more out of everyone kinda but like i don't like finding neutrals

This one here

[Dark Magician]

Also Varcron if you think Martin has wolf agenda, remember Martin can still be a Neutral.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Also yeah I'm sitting in my town butt because i don't want to give any more info on my reads to the baddies, i may or may not go with Mr Magician's plan c:

-Huohuo

[Dark Magician]

We might have to execute Helz Day 4 or 5. (Whichever day is 3 after)
So Bounty Hunter doesn’t win.

[Dark Magician]

As long as we take out these mafia ASAP, it shouldn’t be too hard to play around Bounty Hunter and get them
executed.

[Mizery]

I'm just trying to understand where your thought process is behind picking that specific assumption of v/v/v and (seemingly) sticking with it for the most part. I'll stick my answers to your questions further down my post.

I like the way it feels

[Mizery]

The lack of anything happening much with votes

personal reads

[bwcPorscha]

christ why are people doing wagonomics

lol

[bwcPorscha]

oli town sure, I thought so yesterday wich is why I voted bake over him but im not sure why you would assume that huo is town

why was oli town yesterday

[Mizery]

I don’t need to give some fake ass reason because unlike Mizery, I actually stated a wolf read on Cape.

I didn't give a "fake ass reason" either

I didn't give any

[bwcPorscha]

whatever ill just give my honest one
I forgot every single damned psot from day one and im backreadign right now

what would the dishonest one have been? why would you ever consider not giving the "honest" answer here? lol

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

We could also apply torture on these ugly scums and let the day go long so they are forced to post

Huehuehue
-Mr Tail

[Unote]Cape90[/unvote]

[bwcPorscha]

if huo is a wolf then i feel like MM is likely a wolf with him based on how things played out, which is something especially i thought that you had thought too (based on your first post this cycle).
the problem with this is that means that the other wolves should have been placed so that huo huo wouldn't die, and i don't see how they would have been. Maybe a wolf on oli with huo huo ready to jump if neccesary

Like, maybe martin /could/ have been the third wolf there and his vote and retraction on bakermir and then vote on huo huo was more distancing but i'm kinda intoxicated right now and probably shouldn't be thinking too hard on this

I kinda like dis idea of a world where huohuo and mm are w/w cuz it aligns with my thoughts on them individually but my thoughts are flimsy rn

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

-unvote

[bwcPorscha]

MM just always does everything i associate with general wolfplay and i don't remember playing with him where he was town but i probably have so its best if i just stay away from him

why does your experience of not remembering playing with him as town make you not want to push forward on the sr you have on him? like you're worried you'd always default to sr'ing him?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

That's so evil Mr Tail uwu

-Huohuo

[bwcPorscha]

watch me confbias my way here

towny thought

[bwcPorscha]

regardless though luka/varcron/DM contains at most 2 evils only if BH is one of them. Otherwise only one.

how do you figure this

[Mizery]

This quote above is the ONLY interaction Mizery had with Baker. Then...

Gotta be honest that

1) I don't know what interactions have to do with reads. Yeah, you can make reads off of interactions but interactions aren't necessary make reads.
2) Honestly meant to come back to the game before eod and planned to not end on bakermir but i was supposed to be off work at 1 and then i got off at like 4 and then day was over so rip

[bwcPorscha]

Spoiler : context quotes that show scumbot's case :

Stop acting like you somehow have seen the truth for sure while we all wander aimlessly like a bunch of intoxicated mosquitos.
Aside from you being annoying , I don't think you're scum, because your case wasn't that solid or even noticeable at all, and yet you seem to REALLY think that you have found the Holy Grail of Truth and that you are entitled to being worshipped for it. This means you've actually thought about it, and what appears to us, mere mortals, as a few posts that aren't bad, but also aren't particularly damning or intense, is actually the tip of the iceberg of your scumhunting thoughts.

You could still be neutral going down the "I scumhunt anyway" route, though.

Regarding Huo: after quickly reading their ISO (I had read their posts, but not in ISO format), I can see what you mean by "going down the path of least resistance". What strikes me the most is that they have produced very, very, very little thoughts of their own (and no profound thoughts at all) despite having 41 posts. It's like they wanted to surf on my initiative when I attacked Lilypetal.

-vote Huo Huo and Mr Tail

I am currently debating how much I dislike MM voting on huohuo to avoid the other 2 wagons yesterday only to come into this day finding a valid reason to sr them and vote them. like it feels like this is supposed to be a "real" vote in a performative way. i'm not sure i'm explaining this in a way that makes sense

I guess like. it feels convenient. is my point

[bwcPorscha]

this is a bad post though

huohuo had a lot of bad to maybe neutral posts day 1 imo, almost nothing I agreed with or felt good about. there may have been 1 or 2 things that made me not keep taking points away from them

[bwcPorscha]

I'm pretty sure there was a lot of things going on in your brain (hence my non-scum read on you, see my last post), but they didn't show up as much as you seem to believe in thread. Don't be offended, happens to me too :P

As for them being "suspicious", at the time, i.e. with like 5 minutes left to EoD, I didn't exactly make an extensive research on them lol. All I knew was that:
- they had posted a lot
- none of what they had said had been particularly memorable, and most of it was meme-y
- they weren't towny
- and most importantly given the circumstances, they already had a vote on them and they weren't Baker or Oliverz, both of whom I townread

My vote was where my heart was, i.e. against Lily, until very close to EoD. The switch was pretty much a "strategic" one because lynching non-towny people is better than lynching towny people; it wasn't about lynching someone I actively scumread, since that seemed pretty much impossible at that point. That said, after reading their ISO, I'm inclined to actively scumread them now.

are reasons 1, 2, AND 3, not enough for you to just sr them outright yesterday instead of using point 4 as the catalyst to your voting actions?

[bwcPorscha]

like oh, I saw they made a ton of posts I can't remember, and the ones I did remember were nothing burger meme posts, and they weren't towny. but I didn't sr them! I only voted them cuz they had another vote! lol

[bwcPorscha]

I saw huo huo earlier posted I might be neutral but no scumread. cute way of opening up an omgus on me without trying to make up a reason to blatantly scum read me

[bwcPorscha]

this post honestly would normally imply that martin is a wolf or neutral though due to the fixation on neutrals

did he make more than 1 post about it?

[bwcPorscha]

Did you know that mafia is a team game?!? And it require players to interact? Someone has to "find" scum and then others have to either agree or disagree with that case so we can lynch scum. This is my what, 5th game here? Do I really give off the impression that I don't believe what I believe? IMO, lynching Huo furthers the town wincon so whats annoying about me wanting to help my team win?

We can't all be bounty hunters like you.

is this directed at mm?? lol

[Mizery]

As you can see here.
They saved Oliver.

your timeline is fucked

[bwcPorscha]

scumbot: here's a case that I think is right

*crickets*

MM: its soooooo annoying that you'd try to help town win

fuck off scum

ok this answers my question lol but also like.... why did you accuse mm of specifically being bh if you think he's outright scummy

[Mizery]

Hey Varcron.

Mizery made a post on page 10 that explains their reads.
They were trying to go by and direct the fact the wagons could all be VVV.
But yet pushed Hau later but never touched Oliver.

your timeline is fucked pt. 2

[bwcPorscha]

i also kinda find lukah towny for probs NAI reasons

?? which are what