S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Helz]

I would very much like to hear peoples thoughts on not voting off Cape.

Oliver's vengeful could sit on his head and Evil Teacher would have a strong desire to pair Oliver with a neutral making a 1 for 1 trade or a 1 for 2 while we would also be able to lynch someone today. I feel like thats our best option given the gamestate.

[Helz]

Gona do a bit of electric work but I will be on and off my phone. Will be active Eod

[oliverz144]

Random points I have not mentioned.

I noted Mizery trying to open up the PoE by pushing Huo as potential Evil Teacher. Still not tracking on their reasoning behind that but the potential intention is of note.

Martin's claim is very well seeded. Will have to WIFOM if that was done intentionally as a high level play to fake confirm down the road or if its legit but his play has been pro-town.

Were essentially at 7v5. Likely shifts to something like 5v4 with a cape lynch. If we lynch off Cape and Oliver vengeful targets Cape an evil teacher could go for a double (or triple) elimination. As much as I dislike coaching scum heres how that could play-
Teacher targets someone in the PoE. Very high chances of non town (even easier for them given they are in that PoE) as well as Oliver. Oliver vengeful targets Cape with the result of 2 scum and 1 town eliminated.

This is very good for the evil teachers win con as they need that Mafia block broken up and its a pretty nice thing for the town as well.

we can do that, its a great idea tbh

[oliverz144]

Im chewing on a triple kill of 2 neutral 1 town instead of 2 town 1 neutral : )

Yeah Your idea is better
;)

[oliverz144]

Also

@oliverz144
I am almost as confident that DM is town as I am that Huo is for what its worth. Just noticed your vote was on them.

Yeah he doesn't wanna claim but i guess its ok? like i found my purpose now in the game thanks to you, i will just vote Mizery then or what?
like who is next? especially if we think that auwt was the mafia kill?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

@Helz keep in mind that eod is in a few hours, so whatever we re going to do, we have to consolidate now

[Dark Magician]

Seriously Helz.
Give me the damn bribe.
I am a town that you can use it on without problem.
Trust me.

[Dark Magician]

It’s literally +EV to choose me.
You will understand when you receive my Rolecard.

[Dark Magician]

assuming we don't make too many mistakes I think its possible for town to win before bounty hunter does

Issue with it is how would we beat the BH if the BH can’t die?

[Dark Magician]

I would very much like to hear peoples thoughts on not voting off Cape.

Oliver's vengeful could sit on his head and Evil Teacher would have a strong desire to pair Oliver with a neutral making a 1 for 1 trade or a 1 for 2 while we would also be able to lynch someone today. I feel like thats our best option given the gamestate.

?
So Evil Teacher kills BH?
That’s fine with me.

[Dark Magician]

Yeah he doesn't wanna claim but i guess its ok? like i found my purpose now in the game thanks to you, i will just vote Mizery then or what?
like who is next? especially if we think that auwt was the mafia kill?

I was like the mafia kill both nights due to being a threat for mafia.

[Helz]

@Helz keep in mind that eod is in a few hours, so whatever we re going to do, we have to consolidate now

I very much agree.

If the rest of the town supports my reasoning I would like to open discussions to lynching outside of Cape today and the wonderful question of “who”

[Dark Magician]

Let’s go for a third night attacked baby!


Kill me kill me you can’t touch me hahaha

[Dark Magician]

I very much agree.

If the rest of the town supports my reasoning I would like to open discussions to lynching outside of Cape today and the wonderful question of “who”

I think we still aim for Cape because they are mafia but however they are confirmed mafia.

We can vote Mizery tbh, not me but you can.

And what YOU should do is use your ability on ME.

[Dark Magician]

Cause it’s like Cape is outed anyway so we can focus on others.

[Dark Magician]

Plus if Mizery flips mafia we clear Lily and I will fight on that.

Or we can go Scumbot because idk what they are and they could be the Neutral.

[Dark Magician]

Technically they could also be Mafia but I’d be leaning more Porscha but eh.

[Dark Magician]

But if you guys are doing to do it you guys need to start doing it now.

Also I still VETO Lily, I’ll make a bet with anyone that the slot is town or at the very least not mafia.

[Dark Magician]

Fuck honestly Lily is probably the Protective.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I agree on voting Mizery

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Cape90 (7):
MartinGG99, Marshmallow Marshall, Lilypetal, Huo Huo and Mr Tail, scumbot5679, bwcPorscha, Helz
Huo Huo and Mr Tail (1):
Cape90
Dark Magician (1):
oliverz144

Not Voting(2):
Mizery, Luka

[Lilypetal]

Helo

[Helz]

Seriously Helz.
Give me the damn bribe.
I am a town that you can use it on without problem.
Trust me.

I understand exactly what you are communicating. The thing your considering doing could be bad for the town though.

I also feel if somehow the BH is knocked out that bride would have strong utility if I end up in a lylo and your pretty much already confirmed to me already. Getting a mechanical reveal of your role gives me no advantage while sacrificing a potentially good one in the future. Right now we should be considering how to use our vote power. In a game where we are so very limited to get rid of scum our votes is all we have

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I would very much like to hear peoples thoughts on not voting off Cape.

Oliver's vengeful could sit on his head and Evil Teacher would have a strong desire to pair Oliver with a neutral making a 1 for 1 trade or a 1 for 2 while we would also be able to lynch someone today. I feel like thats our best option given the gamestate.

That requires Evil Teacher's cooperation. I agree it's in their best interest, but I'm not a fan of relying on an evil neutral to basically save us... although I guess we don't really have a choice, considering it's reasonable to assume we're gonna die before we can lynch people correctly.

Also, if we do go for the "more lynches available" option, there's always the option of not lynching Helz tomorrow, but that's a concern for post-flip imo (we might catch the BH, and we want to know the town/scum/neutral ratio before deciding that).


So okay, but then we need to determine a better lynch than Cape today. There's Lily (NO, DM, I DON'T BUY YOUR DEFENSE OF HER, and I don't buy the non-association with Mizery either), and there's Mizery... not too sure of who else, tbh. Scumbot does feel like he's coasting a bit, but I'm not convinced, and I'm even less convinced we can gather enough votes on him before EoD anyway.

I think it would be an appropriate moment for @Mizery to claim.

[Dark Magician]

I understand exactly what you are communicating. The thing your considering doing could be bad for the town though.

I also feel if somehow the BH is knocked out that bride would have strong utility if I end up in a lylo and your pretty much already confirmed to me already. Getting a mechanical reveal of your role gives me no advantage while sacrificing a potentially good one in the future. Right now we should be considering how to use our vote power. In a game where we are so very limited to get rid of scum our votes is all we have

Helz TRUST ME.
I am the ONLY player in this game where it’s +EV to choose me.

You will understand when you get my Rolecard.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Helo

Hi. We're probably not lynching Cape today. Who should we lynch according to you?

[Dark Magician]

You will understand when you choose me.
Do it now please!

[Dark Magician]

Target me.

[Dark Magician]

I am the only player in this game that benefits from you doing that.

[Dark Magician]

Helz stop being stubborn.
I wouldn’t tell you to do it if I didn’t know what I was doing.

[oliverz144]

I was like the mafia kill both nights due to being a threat for mafia.

ooookay

[Dark Magician]

It could hurt us later if you don’t do it.

[Helz]

Helz TRUST ME.
I am the ONLY player in this game where it’s +EV to choose me.

You will understand when you get my Rolecard.

I 100% know your role card bro. I do not need the mechanical reveal. You have not been subtle about it

[oliverz144]

I very much agree.

If the rest of the town supports my reasoning I would like to open discussions to lynching outside of Cape today and the wonderful question of “who”

yes
mizery?
scumbot luka porscha lily?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Dark Magician , stop spamming the thread please

Do you have any actual mechanical info on Lily, btw? Is that why you're resisting so hard? (You're not subtle about your role because you're SCREAMING IT ON THE ROOFTOPS IN CAPS WITH THREAD SPAM, so it's not like you're losing much at this point; info = good)

[Dark Magician]

I 100% know your role card bro. I do not need the mechanical reveal. You have not been subtle about it

You lose nothing and I lose nothing if you choose me.

[Mizery]

I'm sorry exactly why are we not killing cape today

[Mizery]

The only reason we should be voting anyone but cape today is if it's the bh

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

@Mizery claim

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'm sorry exactly why are we not killing cape today

Because with the amount of lynch control non-towns have and with our lack of vigilante-esque roles, we might just not make it if we don't maximize our kill power, basically

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Mizery claim

also, this ^

[MartinGG99]

I'm back now from my meeting. I'm willing to vote just about whoever so long as we consolidate. Which probably means sheeping Helz.

[MartinGG99]

And yeah DM you've not been very subtle at all lol. It was much better when one of your hints was hidden because of your ego -- that was something I missed for awhile.

[Luka]

@Helz can you cpl me? Im in POE's right now and I want to confirm myself. I believe this game is auto if im confirmed.

[Helz]

You lose nothing and I lose nothing if you choose me.

I loose an ability that would be absolutely critical in a 3p lylo or potentially very useful in many others.

Your town. You do not need mechanical confirmation. Your vote power is worth much more than you being confirmed and nobody is pushing you. I’m flat out not going to marry you for those reasons. And I will also say there are specific interactions I’m keeping in mind that can only occur if I still have this ability.

[Helz]

yes
mizery?
scumbot luka porscha lily?

I’m kinda down with any of those. Luka is less likely mafia in my book but I feel our chances are great shooting into such a PoE. Will take some time to read into players when I wrap this project up and get home

[Luka]

If Mizery, Scumbot, Marshmellow, BWC, or Lily is Sapling please out.
If a pacifist is in this game, please out.
If detector is in this game, please out.
If Fancy Lady or Judge is in this game, please out.

[Mizery]

How do we maximize kill power by not killing
There are no town roles who can kill at night without being killed themselves
And you're putting a lot of trust in oli to he town when I don't get why

[oliverz144]

hah. i buy dms read on lily.

towncore:
oli
helz
lily
dm
huo huo


scum
cape



others

[MartinGG99]

Honestly kinda tempted to just say ignore mizery and cape, if we find evil teacher (or somehow 3rd mafia) from this day then that would be very good.

If Evil Teacher were killed it also probably significantly increases the chances I get resolved at night so that Dark Magician loses all his will to try and get himself "confirmed" by Helz. At least, I think DM has gone all-out monkey I jest because he thinks I'm a threat and he's the only one that sees it.