S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Dark Magician]

I'm an Illwei alt but idk I havent played on FoL in like a year

Oh Illwei!
What’s up!

[MartinGG99]

every night?

n1 helz

n2 MM (I thought doc dodge on Huo)

[Dark Magician]

DM why the fuck does it matter to you

if I am wolf I know what's bad to claim and can easily claim or not claim or whatever the heck wifom it

Mizery's known not to understand mech all that well

but you?

I expected better

I’m just pointing it out.
Are you not hesitant on claiming?
Mizery was and they aren’t mafia are they?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

oh Hi Illwei!!

were you able to finish lady bug?

I'm sorry for your luck this game

[MartinGG99]

lol why are you saying i don't understand mech

I mean

I feel like half the time I try to talk about mech the way I (usually) do you tend to not understand it well or focus on other stuff or whatever

it just doesn't seem like I'm a very effective communicator about it when it comes to you

[MartinGG99]

I’m just pointing it out.
Are you not hesitant on claiming?
Mizery was and they aren’t mafia are they?

well if you were not busy spamming so much

you wouldn't have missed this

I honestly don't understand half the things said about me so far.

I should claim because on the chance that I claim X I'm somehow wolf?

Even if I did claim X, it would be incorrect, and if I am wolf why would I not claim anything else lmao?

Anyways, protectives should always be on Huo Huo given they can check. Me being killed + Huo Huo getting a check off would be quite optimal for fine-tuning the PoE.

[scumbot5679]

???? Didn't DM used to like me? what changed?

[MartinGG99]

*among the first people to claim d3 within POE, made a significant breadcrumb of it well before that, and claims action in first post of d4*

DM: You're too hesistant!

[Dark Magician]

???? Didn't DM used to like me? what changed?

I never said I townread you?
I was uncertain of you and now you are in PoE of 4 with 2 for sure wolves unless the team is MM/Hau.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

luka tough guy
martin soul mate (i think)
oliver vengeful
dark magician sappling
scumbot cat lady

am I missing something?

[Dark Magician]

We can agree it’s never Luka/Martin right?
Due to the lack of kills.

So in such case if Oliver and Scumbot aren’t hits it’s just MM/Tau?

[Dark Magician]

So Oliver gets executed and Venge kills Scumbot.

[Dark Magician]

luka tough guy
martin soul mate (i think)
oliver vengeful
dark magician sappling
scumbot cat lady

am I missing something?

Your correct here.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

the fact that both protectives AND Helz are alive is stunning to me

[Dark Magician]

Then when we do that Varcron targets MM and Martin if game doesn’t end?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

both CLAIMED protectives

[Dark Magician]

So here’s the plan:
Oliver Venge Kills Scumbot
Varcron goes MM and Martin
Tau goes MM and Luka

@Helz

[MartinGG99]

the fact that both protectives AND Helz are alive is stunning to me

hence why I think this may be useful to think about

I haven't really perfected it but I think we may be able to work something out that sorts out Me/Luka, and if not, will generate problems for our hypothetical partners

Suggestion.

I think there's a point to not killing Me or Luka today (including trying to do it via Oliver's vengeful), because since we're both claiming protectives we can pre-emptively claim to protect either Helz or Huo Hou.

That way mafia's forced to kill one of us, or outside of us and Helz/Huo Huo (in other words, must night-kill one of Martin/Luka/Oliver/Marshmallow/Scumbot or possibly forsake the kill). If either the planned protects die then their protector is instantly outed. Interference like role-blocks from Cat Lady are very unlikely (or impossible) to happen without some mech info (or lack there-of) to corroborate it.

I don't know what we should suggest with the Evil Teacher kill though. I haven't fully mathed it all out. But I suspect there might be some combo we can work out where it easily limits the mechanical hypothetical worlds where I am a wolf, and if I am somehow a wolf, it would be quite devastating to my team's position.

[Dark Magician]

That way we win automatically mechanically.
I think…

[scumbot5679]

I have 0 control over oliverz ability so if he decides to kill me then he just does but if he were a town vengeful then he shouldn't b/c I'm town and I just don't understand why anyone thinks I'm not. I kinda get MM's though since guy is mad that I've been calling him scum since d2.

[Dark Magician]

Actually you both need to protect Helz for this to work.
Helz’s survival is key here.

@Martin
@Luka

Protect Helz Tonight.

[MartinGG99]

If there's any plan that can auto-win regardless of any one's alignment, then I'm all for it.

Especially if it'd get DM to shoot down his own self-absorbed ego-addicted belief that I'm wolf.

[Dark Magician]

@Scum bot

If your town then it’s likely just Oliver as the wolf anyways.

Again, see what’s left after you and Oliver:

Helz
2 Protective Claims
2 Same Alignment Checks

[Dark Magician]

If there's any plan that can auto-win regardless of any one's alignment, then I'm all for it.

Especially if it'd get DM to shoot down his own self-absorbed ego-addicted belief that I'm wolf.

Never called you a wolf.
I said you can be one mechanically.

[Dark Magician]

Also as soon as a wolf flips anywhere in the 4, MM and Tau are confirmed town.

[MartinGG99]

Never called you a wolf.
I said you can be one mechanically.

hasn't felt like its been viewed merely as simple mechanical possibility, but regardless

its just that I had hopes some of the things I've done would be seen as town-read worthy and getting called wolf in basically every mention of my name since then kinda just makes for an irritating and frustrating situation lol.

[MartinGG99]

@powerofdeath

does cat lady's cat get sent if they submit the action during the day but die sometime later at EoD?

[Dark Magician]

I have 0 control over oliverz ability so if he decides to kill me then he just does but if he were a town vengeful then he shouldn't b/c I'm town and I just don't understand why anyone thinks I'm not. I kinda get MM's though since guy is mad that I've been calling him scum since d2.

Well basically if MM is a wolf it has to be exactly with Tau Tau.

[MartinGG99]

@powerofdeath

does cat lady's cat get sent if they submit the action during the day but die sometime later at EoD?

Actually wait I don't think there's a situation where that's useful

Any chance it would be would need the catlady to be alive to report any info recieved

[MartinGG99]

I also forgot to put it in green smh.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I have 0 control over oliverz ability so if he decides to kill me then he just does but if he were a town vengeful then he shouldn't b/c I'm town and I just don't understand why anyone thinks I'm not. I kinda get MM's though since guy is mad that I've been calling him scum since d2.

make me believe you are not frozen.

MM can't be mafia if what Mizery said is true because I'm town and from outsider pov makes sense because there was no indication of an evil teacher after night 1, so mizery must have targeted 2 people with the same alignment

only options rn are:

oliver
scumbot
dark magician
luka
martin

you are one of those so if you are not scum the poe is smaller for you

we can also clear magician with helz bride to make it 4 which would leave only 3 spaces for the 2 town among you

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

IMO one of the protectives HAS to be true, because mafia didn't kill me or helz

so 1 town in martin/luka

1 town in scumbot/oliver

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

IMO one of the protectives HAS to be true, because mafia didn't kill me or helz

so 1 town in martin/luka

1 town in scumbot/oliver

as in they feared i/helz would be protected

[scumbot5679]

make me believe you are not frozen.

i let it go

[powerofdeath]

@powerofdeath

does cat lady's cat get sent if they submit the action during the day but die sometime later at EoD?

No, the cat will mourns and go cry somewhere

[Dark Magician]

IMO one of the protectives HAS to be true, because mafia didn't kill me or helz

so 1 town in martin/luka

1 town in scumbot/oliver

I am way ahead of you lol.
I also said the same thing but I then also restated it can just be: Scumbot/Oliver

[scumbot5679]

No, the cat will mourns and go cry somewhere

why would ANYONE want to do that to my poor kitty?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I am way ahead of you lol.
I also said the same thing but I then also restated it can just be: Scumbot/Oliver

yeah that's true

[MartinGG99]

yeah DM is waaaay ahead of everyone here

I'm starting to connect the dots, its preety clever

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

the loldog is lolcatting.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

-vote oliverz144

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

So here’s the plan:
Oliver Venge Kills Scumbot
Varcron goes MM and Martin
Tau goes MM and Luka

@Helz

@Varcron


also Helz just bride Dark Magician, unless you want to risk it for the biscuit and check someone rn

[MartinGG99]

My god this SoD was so spammy for a site like this lol.

There were a few bits of important information in all of that.

Like Miz's claim about what kills they were responsible for and that apparently they tried to kill MM and Huo on (by process of elimination I assume) n1.

[MartinGG99]

But yeah if mafia's made no kills its probably just Oli/Luka or something like that.

[MartinGG99]

-vote Oliverz144

[Helz]

So here’s the plan:
Oliver Venge Kills Scumbot
Varcron goes MM and Martin
Tau goes MM and Luka

@Helz

I’m more confident simply lynching Scumbot hits mafia.

Really not about lynching a town to kill another player. We just kill that player instead and keep our townie.

[Helz]

@Varcron


also Helz just bride Dark Magician, unless you want to risk it for the biscuit and check someone rn

Without the BH I’m probably going to live long time. I want to save that 1 shot for end game if it’s needed and I really don’t think DM needs checked. They are town and that would be a waste.

[Dark Magician]

yeah DM is waaaay ahead of everyone here

I'm starting to connect the dots, its preety clever

I’m a very Underated player tbh and people call me “egotistical”
I don’t try to me, I just go with what I think.

[Dark Magician]

My mind thinks allot.

[Dark Magician]

Without the BH I’m probably going to live long time. I want to save that 1 shot for end game if it’s needed and I really don’t think DM needs checked. They are town and that would be a waste.

It’s not a waste in case someone gets sceptical.
You should use it on me.