S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Dark Magician]

ladies and gentlemen , we got em

-vote bakermir

catch up for yall:

Bakermir scumreads cape
bakermir scumreads me, Oliwaz144 because I " scumread " cape
bakermir votes me.
this all happened in one post!!!!

i point it out
he claims he never scumread cape

WOLF CATCHED IN PERSON AT PLACE OF CRIME
he forgot what reads he fabricated, forgot the playbook

Ok yeah Baker is a wolf…
He lied about not wolf reading Cape…

Orrr

At least Cape/Baker contains a wolf tbh.

[Dark Magician]

What am I deflecting here?

Your lies

[Dark Magician]

Will vote with Bakermir for now, i will try to read in an hour

-vote oliverz144

Huohuo

If Baker’s town this is wolf

[Dark Magician]

But yeah Baker lied about not wolf reading Cape.

[oliverz144]

If I’m being read as annoying town does that mean mafia is going to kill me night 1?

yoo thats reserved for me !!1!
Anyways guys
im online for maybe half an hours
if you have anything importanto
then say it flagranto

Good night <3

[Auwt]

nah rn the chances for helz to bride scum are like 3/14
late ron it can he be like 3/7 or smth God beware

1) It can be useful even if a Town is targetted.

2) It can be very very useful if a Neutral is targetted.

3) It can be very very very useful if a Maf is targetted.

4) The odds you mention were the one at the start of the game, without any knowledge and interactions, I hope the odds have changed since then.

5) Nothing tells Helz will be able to live that night, although it's likely he will. Evils want to delay.


The way I see Helz' role is just like a one-shot day specific Sheriff with a little tweak.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

My vote stays on oliverz after re-reading

I don't think Bakermir is a bakemono and is being pushed for semantics

Nodnod

-Huohuo

[Luka]

Baker lying is completely NAI. Id argue I'm much less likely to forget things as town to be honest.

[Luka]

Either they're scum and forgot or town and they're forgot. Pushing somebody for forgetting something is some of the laziest and worst pushes you can do.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I think Mr Magician is setting up to lynch me after Bakermir's flip too >~<

-Huohuo

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Baker lying is completely NAI. Id argue I'm much less likely to forget things as town to be honest.

Mr Luka gets it

*Hugs Luka*

-Huohuo

[Luka]

porscha you have the upper hand here so I am not even going to try getting out of this if the votes stay the same near EOD.


i am bored and its day 1 no zaza i am gonna drink to my misery tonight and hope town wins this in the end but i think the chances will be lower after i am gone


you may still continue making fun of me or the situation

They're town.

[Luka]

Mr Luka gets it

*Hugs Luka*

-Huohuo

Hugs Back

[oliverz144]

Either they're scum and forgot or town and they're forgot. Pushing somebody for forgetting something is some of the laziest and worst pushes you can do.

would he have forgotten, he would have said:
"oh sorry, i have forgotten xyz because abc and it differentiates from def because of ghi."
and it's chill.
How ever he did not do that, infact he did the exact opposite.

an example for town behavior:
bakermir asked me how I feel abt Helz voting me. When i was answering that post, i
a. didnt care about it that moment as it is a bullshit question
b. i was typing walking iutside and the freezing cold wind is killing my hand, and no amount of 4° degree celsius cold showers has prepared me for that i believe.
anyways, now tha it's warmer?
some random jack vote in mid d1 i dont feel no weight from it. Votea gain weight the closer they get to EOD. So yeah now like 90 minutes from EOD it weighs a bit more, but since it is pretty much alone (didnt he vote varcron since then?) its still pretty light.
Intimidating me doesnt work =)

[scumbot5679]

what town forgets who they are scumreading?

[scumbot5679]

+ its weird in my last 2 games bake was really really try hard so him just giving up seems way way out of character

[scumbot5679]

I'd have to fact check but if oliver were getting voted then occams just says he voted Oliver over cape b/c he's opportunistic scum

[MartinGG99]

I may have overslept a fair bit

I'm currently eating my dinner and will be skimming in like 15-20 min

[Luka]

what town forgets who they are scumreading?

Me

[Luka]

would he have forgotten, he would have said:
"oh sorry, i have forgotten xyz because abc and it differentiates from def because of ghi."
and it's chill.
How ever he did not do that, infact he did the exact opposite.

an example for town behavior:
bakermir asked me how I feel abt Helz voting me. When i was answering that post, i
a. didnt care about it that moment as it is a bullshit question
b. i was typing walking iutside and the freezing cold wind is killing my hand, and no amount of 4° degree celsius cold showers has prepared me for that i believe.
anyways, now tha it's warmer?
some random jack vote in mid d1 i dont feel no weight from it. Votea gain weight the closer they get to EOD. So yeah now like 90 minutes from EOD it weighs a bit more, but since it is pretty much alone (didnt he vote varcron since then?) its still pretty light.
Intimidating me doesnt work =)

I cannot understand this post in the slightest

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

what town forgets who they are scumreading?

I do

[scumbot5679]

Me

I do

the echo chamber is real

[MartinGG99]

skimming up now

He’s trying to play the game of mafia and he might have found a mafia member within you.

this is a weird statement to make and wasn't really made for productive purposes

kinda implies tmi depending on how you look at it

[MartinGG99]

Note that this can only be beneficial :

- Martin is scum : Confirmed Helz can tell us instantly.
- Martin is not scum : Confirmed Helz can confirm Martin instantly.

At worst (for you) you are voted off if you are scum, at best (for everyone) you are automatically confirmed if you are town or friendly neutral.

Let's put it this way:

The only way the automatic confirmation then death is more reasonable than me denying it is if I am under enough suspicion that it risks derailing the game in mafia's favor. Outside of that, it is always better for me to deny it. That is my belief in the past, it is my belief now, and and almost certainly will continue to be my belief in the future/post-game.

[MartinGG99]

Helz - Top town for obvious mech reasons, no evil equivalent to Bride.

MartinGG99 - For a person who said they were gonna lay back until day 2, that actually ended up not exactly happening and I think his contributions have been solvy/pro-town so far. Liked the read on Luka, biased, but like his defense of me.
Marshmallow Marshall - Explained this earlier and don't have anything to add here.
Mizery - Explained at least Mizery's early game, their point about not catching that MM said lily was frozen early game and then lily unfreezing herself isn't something MM should TR lily off of is a point I kinda just don't agree with on like a level 0 type of way. (the post is #180, linking it for clarity). Other then that, nothing that makes me strengthen or weaken my light TR here.
Luka - I like his solving energy, even though it is a tad on a baseline level.
Varcron - I feel like saying that there aren't many posts worth responding to is rand>v for as """late""" in the game as post #222 is. Hating the Auwt vote on MM feels towny to me for some reason.

scumbot5679 - I see where their sus on Huohuo is coming from in that Porscha is easy to point fingers at around this moment. I think I need a bit more before I really decide if this is town or not though but I am almost leaning that way. IDK just isn't enough there for me yet.
Dark Magician - The more Dark Magician doubles down on the whole Porscha inquiry thing, the more I felt better about it, oddly enough. I find Dark Magician to be particularly "jumpy" (like kinda posting like "AH HA" things without thinking too hard about it) which idk how to feel, my gut scumreads it but also knows that it could be a personality thing.
Huo Huo and Mr Tail - Have picked up this isn't a hydra, but like a partial roleplay type of thing. I am kinda drawing a blank when I read their content. Their post supporting the lily push felt not great to me, same with their subsequent changing of their mind on lily. Been prodding people which is good to see I suppose.
Auwt - Early push on MM was... whatever. I will say the problem with Martin deciding to take the bride's offer is that he would only be confirmed for a day (assuming he is indeed town) before mafia likely NKs one of Martin/Bride, and for town PRs, I see 3 possible town healing power roles I believe, but there could only be one and if so, how would they know who to protect? (unless night watchmen, but to protect both bride and whoever bride loves, that will be 2 out of the 3 uses for that role, which isn't super great IMO and it also is a gamble whether the role is here or not here, and soul mate would create a whole nasty chain of events if solo). (Sidenote: I am aware this has nothing to do with a read on Auwt but it's more a response to their recent content).
oliverz144 - The pairing of me and helz off an arbitrary thing is classic oliverz i think so idk how to read into that in terms of alignment for him. Other then that I have nothing to add.
Porscha - Don't have a lot to say, pretty fluffy, also scumleans lily though

Lilypetal - I don't see why anyone should TR this though. Like I feel like their micro posts feel off, like idk how to describe it, like when lilypetal questioned why a Mizery post was phrased towny, also nobody said anything about that. I know Mizery last game on here suspected me when I was town pretty hard so I died really really early so I can see their paranoia. #181 feels off in like a shruggy type of way. Only thing is their Luka read seemed kinda towny I guess.
bakermir - Their posts feel pretty devoid of substance/underwhelming despite being game related.

-vote bakermir

Obligatory boring vote for now

Good enough in my books

[MartinGG99]

As in, like, I don't have any issues with the reads there that cape made. Its a bit disorienting though to think someone has me on the same level as MM though while both reads being town-leans or whatever lol.

[MartinGG99]

page 6 didn't have much interesting going on

Page 4 was a pain to read
Lily made some points + clearly shows townie thoughtbnD thinking
Tbh I didn’t read martins walls but I’m just gonna effort clear them
Scumbots posts were kinda bad therr

if you think I've wallposted

you haven't seen me wallpost

Not that I'm intending to though. I have made wall-posts with wordcounts equivalent to several essays in the distant past though.

[scumbot5679]

skimming up now



this is a weird statement to make and wasn't really made for productive purposes

kinda implies tmi depending on how you look at it

I don't see how this is TMI. I don't why it's a "weird" statement other than you (and apparently most of the thread) thinking that I'm wrong or just taking general umbrage that he's lite defending me but when DM says that I could be right and you call it TMI then isn't that kinda TMIy too?

[MartinGG99]

Porscha's posts early page 7 read genuine, maybe town-lean for this idk prob mull it over when night phase hits

Yes I'm aware my vote is on them. But if I unvote then that counts as a skip so I'd rather leave it there for now.

[scumbot5679]

I mean, how does this play out here? Say we end up flipping huo tomorrow and it's scum. Are you going to go "well DM TMI'd huo's scum flip. lez kill it!" but doesn't that also mean you are TMIing a Huo scum flip?

[MartinGG99]

I don't see how this is TMI. I don't why it's a "weird" statement other than you (and apparently most of the thread) thinking that I'm wrong or just taking general umbrage that he's lite defending me but when DM says that I could be right and you call it TMI then isn't that kinda TMIy too?

When someone's looking to correct someone else

they tend to dig into the strongest evidence they have

and the evidence they have is that you're just "playing the game" and framing it as "having found a mafia"

like that is not evidence if you're mafia because you can't really be playing the game nor finding anything unless you're neutral-hunting lmao

[MartinGG99]

if DM was uncertain of your alignment I think it would be fairly unlikely to suggest something that really only applies if you're town rather than anything consisting of substance or nuance about your behavior or posts

[MartinGG99]

I mean, how does this play out here? Say we end up flipping huo tomorrow and it's scum. Are you going to go "well DM TMI'd huo's scum flip. lez kill it!" but doesn't that also mean you are TMIing a Huo scum flip?

Honestly, I don't get what you're saying here and considering I'm town and don't have tmi I'm just going to ignore what you're saying.

I also have get back to skimming up more.

[Helz]

-vote oliverz144

Gona run but going to park here. Im comfortable with a tossup between Oliverz and Bakermir. Feels a little like two groups on the trains which could prove useful post-flip while I dislike the idea of a total lack of a counter wagon.

Lilypetal (1):
Marshmallow Marshall
oliverz144 (2):
bakermir, Huo Huo and Mr Tail
bakermir (4):
oliverz144, Mizery, scumbot5679, Cape90
Varcron (1):
Helz
Marshmallow Marshall (1):
Auwt
bwcPorscha (1):
MartinGG99
Cape90 (1):
Lilypetal
Huo Huo and Mr Tail (1):
bwcPorscha

20 minutes until days end.

[scumbot5679]

Well, most of the game is ignoring me anyways. I think I got it though. You are reading it as DM TMIing me.

[MartinGG99]

its been ages since I last saw oli seriously play a game recent years he's been preety aloof when playing games and semi-just-not-caring but his case on baker seems a bit genuine on him

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Sorry, I'm late, came as soon as I could

-vote oliverz144

Gona run but going to park here. Im comfortable with a tossup between Oliverz and Bakermir. Feels a little like two groups on the trains which could prove useful post-flip while I dislike the idea of a total lack of a counter wagon.

Lilypetal (1):
Marshmallow Marshall
oliverz144 (2):
bakermir, Huo Huo and Mr Tail
bakermir (4):
oliverz144, Mizery, scumbot5679, Cape90
Varcron (1):
Helz
Marshmallow Marshall (1):
Auwt
bwcPorscha (1):
MartinGG99
Cape90 (1):
Lilypetal
Huo Huo and Mr Tail (1):
bwcPorscha

20 minutes until days end.

I don't like either of those trains, tbh. Feels like a potential TvT (or perhaps including a neutral somewhere, if I had to guess it'd be Oliverz), and likely not containing scum. I'm also not sure why Oliverz is being voted at all, other than bakermir selfpreservation.

[MartinGG99]

Idk which wagon tbh.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

its been ages since I last saw oli seriously play a game recent years he's been preety aloof when playing games and semi-just-not-caring but his case on baker seems a bit genuine on him

^^^ this

I dislike the fact that people like Lilypetal, Huo Huo or Luka didn't get any attention, basically, and everyone's focusing on Oli/Baker/(Cape earlier)


Also, reading up on the TMI accusations, I don't get any of them....

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote Huo Huo and Mr Tail

Because this would be a better wagon than the other two

[MartinGG99]

oliverz144 (3):
bakermir, Huo Huo and Mr Tail, Helz
bakermir (4):
oliverz144, Mizery, scumbot5679, Cape90

If we remove Helz from the equation, I trust the bakermir voters over the oliverz voters

-vote bakermir

Porscha's interactions with baker have been very good btw

[MartinGG99]

-vote Huo Huo and Mr Tail

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote Huo Huo and Mr Tail

Because this would be a better wagon than the other two

This is better than the other 1-vote wagons and definetly better than baker or oli imo

[powerofdeath]

Huo Huo and Mr Tail (3): Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, bwcPorscha
oliverz144 (3): bakermir, Huo Huo and Mr Tail, Helz
bakermir (4): oliverz144, Mizery, scumbot5679, Cape90
Marshmallow Marshall (1): Auwt
Cape90 (1): Lilypetal
Skip Day (3): Luka; Dark Magician; Varcron

Bakermir was lynched.

Their role:

Spoiler : “Role Card” :

Teacher - Choose 2 players at night. Learn if their alignments match or not. (Mafia/Town/neutral). Cannot target self.

[powerofdeath]

Night 1 has begun!

Night 1 end on Friday, 7:00 PM EST. Click here for reference to when Night 1 end.

Please submit your night actions at least 60 minutes before the deadline, all actions will be locked 60 minutes before the deadline.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to DMs me on Discord or via the website.

Player List:
1. Marshmallow Marshall
2. Mizery
3. Cape90
4. MartinGG99
5. Scumbot5679
6. Auwt
7. Luka
8. bakermir - Teacher
9. Helz
10. Dark Magician
11. oliverz144
12. Huo Huo and Mr Tail
13. lilypetal
14. bwcPorscha
15. Varcron

White = Alive, Color = Dead with Role reveal This list will be updated as game start to unfold.

[powerofdeath]

Day 2 has begun!

Day 2 end on Sunday, 7:00 PM EST. Click here for reference to when Day 2 end.

There is a bounty on Helz’s head.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to DMs me on Discord or via the website.

Player List:
1. Marshmallow Marshall
2. Mizery
3. Cape90
4. MartinGG99
5. Scumbot5679
6. Auwt
7. Luka
8. bakermir - Teacher
9. Helz
10. Dark Magician
11. oliverz144
12. Huo Huo and Mr Tail
13. lilypetal
14. bwcPorscha
15. Varcron

White = Alive, Color = Dead with Role reveal This list will be updated as game start to unfold.

[Mizery]

On one hand nice on the other hand we have 2 days to find the bounty hunter before we have to lynch helz

[Lilypetal]

helo

im sad baker died because they're the one that invited me :c

[Mizery]

I'm sad baker died before i got to ask him if he remembered esooa

kinda my fault but in my defense no it wasn't

[Mizery]

Martin's last minute vote switch was nagl but the question is would a wolf vote bakermir just to switch off before flipping

probbaly not

so Martin prob v