S-FM 353: Death Nominations

[Wiml]

Ftr I'm not locked onto voting CRich or anything like that, hence the lack of a vote.

I'm giving him time to address / respond to my grievances with him so he can prove me wrong if anything I say is logically flawed.

[CRichardForumLies]

It's true that Baker is my top town read as of now. Yet I'm aware there's the change I'm getting snowed by them faster than Russia in blizzard season, yet it's not worth worrying about if we don't get mafia flipped out of Martin/tutuu today.

[CRichardForumLies]

It's true that Baker is my top town read as of now. Yet I'm aware there's the chance I'm getting snowed by them faster than Russia in blizzard season, yet it's not worth worrying about if we don't get mafia flipped out of Martin/tutuu today.

EBWODP

[Wiml]

I'll be honest. I have baker as mafia in fringe worlds, yet that doesn't matter if the game ends today.

I see.

What fringe worlds would you be considering with baker as mafia in?

[Wiml]

It's true that Baker is my top town read as of now. Yet I'm aware there's the change I'm getting snowed by them faster than Russia in blizzard season, yet it's not worth worrying about if we don't get mafia flipped out of Martin/tutuu today.

That's fair but it's also like

You don't seem to be trying particularly hard rn to actually find that mafia member (since you seem to think only one is most likely).

[CRichardForumLies]

I see.

What fringe worlds would you be considering with baker as mafia in?

For Baker to be mafia, it would have to be 2 of you/Ikarus/Scumbot on their team.
That's where my head is at.

[CRichardForumLies]

That's fair but it's also like

You don't seem to be trying particularly hard rn to actually find that mafia member (since you seem to think only one is most likely).

It's one/two of Martin and tutuu mechanically. I haven't figured out the full teams from each yet.

[Wiml]

For Baker to be mafia, it would have to be 2 of you/Ikarus/Scumbot on their team.
That's where my head is at.

You wanna think about that one a little more? Lmao

[Wiml]

I'd probably hazard a guess and say that if you're town, Martin and Tutuu aren't also t/t.

[CRichardForumLies]

You wanna think about that one a little more? Lmao

This is why I was saying Baker as mafia is a fringe world.

[Wiml]

This is why I was saying Baker as mafia is a fringe world.

So you're saying that you think it's impossible?

[CRichardForumLies]

I'd probably hazard a guess and say that if you're town, Martin and Tutuu aren't also t/t.

The fact that the game isn't over mechanically confirms Martin/Tutuu and I can't all be town.

[Wiml]

Because the game would be over if the nominations were t/t/t.

[CRichardForumLies]

So you're saying that you think it's impossible?

Yes. It's why I'm ride or die on baker being town. As I can't find a mafia team with baker that fits.
If I'm skill issued here, then so be it.

[Wiml]

The fact that the game isn't over mechanically confirms Martin/Tutuu and I can't all be town.

Yeah but #1406 you're arguing a scumteam where all the nominations are t/t/t.

[CRichardForumLies]

Because the game would be over if the nominations were t/t/t.

My point exactly.

[Wiml]

Yes. It's why I'm ride or die on baker being town. As I can't find a mafia team with baker that fits.
If I'm skill issued here, then so be it.

I know about tutuu teams fupov but what stops Baker/scumbot/Martin or Baker/ikarus/Martin working from your perspective?

[CRichardForumLies]

I'm of the mind to vote tutuu to see if it gets Martin to move their vote. That would in my mind point towards one of them being mafia.

[Wiml]

My point exactly.

Ok so when you responded to my concern over you not having paranoia of Baker's alignment by saying you did have paranoia, that was a lie.

[Wiml]

I'm of the mind to vote tutuu to see if it gets Martin to move their vote. That would in my mind point towards one of them being mafia.

Wouldn't you already know one of them was mafia assuming you're town?

[CRichardForumLies]

I know about tutuu teams fupov but what stops Baker/scumbot/Martin or Baker/ikarus/Martin working from your perspective?

Baker pushing on scumbot feels pointless if they're a wolf confident the game is ending today.
Ikarus is one of the townier slots, though I'm wondering if this is a skill issue on my part.

[CRichardForumLies]

Wouldn't you already know one of them was mafia assuming you're town?

I'm aware of that. I'm more interested in knowing if it's one or two mafia between the two of them.

[Wiml]

Baker pushing on scumbot feels pointless if they're a wolf confident the game is ending today.
Ikarus is one of the townier slots, though I'm wondering if this is a skill issue on my part.

I mean, wouldn't Baker have to keep pushing on Scumbot today after doing so yesterday to sell the act? Especially because that would mean one of their teammates (presumably Martin if you're town) was on the nominations list and could die, causing the game to go to a F5 where that distancing would no longer be pointless?

And for ikarus: this is just further hammering in my point that you don't seem to have put any actual thought into reevaluating consensus townread players despite being the loudest advocate for us being powerwolfed (in which case the odds that at least one of those two are playing a strong wolf performance and fooling us is pretty high).

[CRichardForumLies]

I mean, wouldn't Baker have to keep pushing on Scumbot today after doing so yesterday to sell the act? Especially because that would mean one of their teammates (presumably Martin if you're town) was on the nominations list and could die, causing the game to go to a F5 where that distancing would no longer be pointless?

And for ikarus: this is just further hammering in my point that you don't seem to have put any actual thought into reevaluating consensus townread players despite being the loudest advocate for us being powerwolfed (in which case the odds that at least one of those two are playing a strong wolf performance and fooling us is pretty high).

I'll have you know I've been running on fumes the last few days thanks to real life.

[Wiml]

I'm aware of that. I'm more interested in knowing if it's one or two mafia between the two of them.

Right, but now that you've said it in the thread wouldn't that make the entire thing WIFOM and defeat your initial logic of seeing how they would react?

[Wiml]

I'll have you know I've been running on fumes the last few days thanks to real life.

I'm referring specifically to the last 12 hours or so where you've vocally advocated for powerwolfing in the game and the consensus being completely wrong but also haven't shown any reevaluation of the two most widely townread slots in the game and expressed a complete lack of paranoia on both of them.

I hope things get more comfortable for you whatever your offline situation is though.

[CRichardForumLies]

I'm referring specifically to the last 12 hours or so where you've vocally advocated for powerwolfing in the game and the consensus being completely wrong but also haven't shown any reevaluation of the two most widely townread slots in the game and expressed a complete lack of paranoia on both of them.

I hope things get more comfortable for you whatever your offline situation is though.

They aren't the nominees. So they aren't exactly a priority solve.

[CRichardForumLies]

Ikarus voting me is noteworthy assuming Martin flips mafia today. It's either clueless town or mafia trying to save their buddy, yet that's a conversation for tomorrow assuming there is one.

[Wiml]

They aren't the nominees. So they aren't exactly a priority solve.

There's a difference between not having them as a priority to solve and thinking "they're lock town never rescind".

I understand the former completely, it's the fact that when I've questioned you the responses have been alomg the lines of the latter that I'm concerned.

[Wiml]

You literally told me that Baker being a wolf is impossible and then when I questioned it further it was further based on the assumption that ikarus being a wolf was impossible (although you did at least roll the ikarus bit back somewhat).

[CRichardForumLies]

You literally told me that Baker being a wolf is impossible and then when I questioned it further it was further based on the assumption that ikarus being a wolf was impossible (although you did at least roll the ikarus bit back somewhat).

Ikarus voted me and that's obvious eyebrow raising in hindsight if Martin is mafia.

[CRichardForumLies]

That being said. I wonder who would i vote if it was Baker/Ikarus/Me. Eh it's a hypothetical scenario, back to reality.

[ikarusdk]

Ikarus, how long are you going to be around before EoD? Will you be back before deadline?

Unfortunately i will be asleep, but ill try to wake up early enough...

[Wiml]

I think maybe talking about your solve would be more productive at this point?

How much time do you have in the thread before EoD, CRich?

[Wiml]

Unfortunately i will be asleep, but ill try to wake up early enough...

Thanks, don't hurt your health over it obviously but having you around to consolidate votes if need be would be beneficial.

[CRichardForumLies]

I think maybe talking about your solve would be more productive at this point?

How much time do you have in the thread before EoD, CRich?

Assuming EoD is in the morning, that doesn't make for much time before I go to bed.
I'll double check so that I don't fall for AssUme = Ass out of U and Me.

[Wiml]

Assuming EoD is in the morning, that doesn't make for much time before I go to bed.
I'll double check so that I don't fall for AssUme = Ass out of U and Me.

Iirc, EoD today is 10 minutes later than the D3 EoD.

[CRichardForumLies]

I'm going to set my alarm around half an hour before end of day.

-vote tutuu

Lets pod race with tutuu and Martin wagons.

[Wiml]

Lets pod race with tutuu and Martin wagons.

Nuh uh

-vote CRichardForumLies

[Wiml]

If I have to compromise on a tutuu wagon, CRich is always the counterwagon.

[Wiml]

CRich, where is the promised solving / ISOs?

[CRichardForumLies]

@MartinGG99 The choice is yours on who to vote.

[CRichardForumLies]

CRich, where is the promised solving / ISOs?

I need sleep. The EoD has been utter ass to me.
I need a wolf flip to solve stuff.

[Wiml]

@MartinGG99 The choice is yours on who to vote.

If you're town, please switch to Martin.

[CRichardForumLies]

Nuh uh

-vote CRichardForumLies

Would you unvote me if I vote Martin?

[CRichardForumLies]

-vote MartinGG99

If we're not going tutuu, then I'm voting here.

[Wiml]

I need sleep. The EoD has been utter ass to me.
I need a wolf flip to solve stuff.

Switching to tutuu is going to cause a you flip.

[Wiml]

Would you unvote me if I vote Martin?

Yes

[CRichardForumLies]

Ideally, it should be Martin and tutuu butting heads yet that's not where the river flows.

[Wiml]

-vote Unvote