S-FM 353: Death Nominations

[ikarusdk]

Never said tutuu is town.

tutuu/x is a world I am not going to look at today. I would rather see scumbot flip this game because i find it ridiculous they get to chop MM>Varcron and get away with it

And this is seriously deflecting your role in mislynches and blaming someone else. At least scumbot had conviction behind his vote. But fmpov your votes ensured the wrong person was voted on day 2 and 3, and this is more serious than scumbot voting MM or varcron

[ikarusdk]

Nope.

I'm voting tutuu or Richard here leaving baker last

[ikarusdk]

If scumbot you are town, you seriously gotta think why Martin is more scum than tutuu, because although he could be, tutuu n Richard are the right answers here

[Wiml]

We need to narrow down the nominations list to two players where we have the maximum possible confidence that at least one of them contains a wolf and then we have those two players crossvote and only cast our votes between them.

[Wiml]

I'd currently be leaning towards having Richard and Martin be the two crossed nominations as I think tutuu has stronger reasons to be town than either.

[ikarusdk]

We need to narrow down the nominations list to two players where we have the maximum possible confidence that at least one of them contains a wolf and then we have those two players crossvote and only cast our votes between them.

I think I made my position pretty clear but I still have 24 hours to brew over.

[Wiml]

I think I made my position pretty clear but I still have 24 hours to brew over.

As long as you don't vote outside of whoever we agree the consensus two should be then that's fine.

[Wiml]

Ideally we all also consolidate closer to EoD to reduce the chances of hammering if a wolf is in the lead but getting bussed.

[bakermir]

We need to narrow down the nominations list to two players where we have the maximum possible confidence that at least one of them contains a wolf and then we have those two players crossvote and only cast our votes between them.

Nominated names should vote first if I get it right

[ikarusdk]

I'd like to hear your pov why you think tutuu is stronger town than martin

[CRichardForumLies]

Gotta love in when MM Marshall gave us 3 townies as the nominees. Yes I'd say that no matter my alignment, yet that's where I'm at.

[scumbot5679]

Whats the case on tutu?

[Wiml]

Seriously, baker has been disrupting the EoD votes every single time(minus day1), ensuring the votes to cause a definite mislynch on towns in situations where tutuu and Richard both almost went over.

I don't think Tutuu almost went over given that she could have self pres voted at any time and caused a hammer though?

[Wiml]

Nominated names should vote first if I get it right

Scumbot's already voted but yeah, nominated townies should cross each other next.

[CRichardForumLies]

The fact that the game isn't over means we have a confirmed mafia in tutuu, Martin and me. As I'm town, than means it's a 50/50 or even possibly 2 mafia in both tutuu and Martin.

[bakermir]

tutuu/martin locking votes on each other will not end the game imo


otoh, MM had CRich as first nomination and idk I don't like what happened d1/d2

[scumbot5679]

just to tack on to ika point, in our last game baker accused me of being scum and responsible for town deaths. Much like he's doing here.

[Wiml]

I think just based on PoE numbers there's a high chance that we have more than 1 wolf in the noms so any cross work work regardless.

Even in that case though, I'd still try to go for the cross that's most likely to contain two wolves.

[bakermir]

Scumbot's already voted but yeah, nominated townies should cross each other next.

no votes yet

[ikarusdk]

Gotta love in when MM Marshall gave us 3 townies as the nominees. Yes I'd say that no matter my alignment, yet that's where I'm at.

I guess it doesn't matter now because you are scum.

Bit could you at least a bit try to appear solvy because all you tal about is MM nominations and mislynches

[scumbot5679]

Was I not supposed to vote yet?

[ikarusdk]

just to tack on to ika point, in our last game baker accused me of being scum and responsible for town deaths. Much like he's doing here.

In that regard, why isn't baker attacking tutuu Martin or Richard?

[Wiml]

I'd like to hear your pov why you think tutuu is stronger town than martin

I think the biggest point in her favour is that she was completely willing to risk dying in order to allow the game to get an extended deadline when she had every possible excuse to self pres vote and hammer one of the other wagons... on two separate occasions at both deadlines.

[CRichardForumLies]

I guess it doesn't matter now because you are scum.

Bit could you at least a bit try to appear solvy because all you tal about is MM nominations and mislynches

Talk about being uncharitable. I didn't only talk about MM Marshall nominations and mislunches according to your words.
And I was ok with dying on D2 to clear worlds.

[Wiml]

no votes yet

Scumbot's was invalid actually

[bakermir]

The fact that the game isn't over means we have a confirmed mafia in tutuu, Martin and me. As I'm town, than means it's a 50/50 or even possibly 2 mafia in both tutuu and Martin.

so, who would you vote if you were to be the kingmaker today

[MartinGG99]

I think I always vote Richard here, personally.

Only way I'd vote Tutuu over them is if we can't consolidate onto Richard.

[bakermir]

Scumbot's was invalid actually

yep. it won't be corrected unless they correct it

0 votes so far

[Wiml]

I think I always vote Richard here, personally.

Only way I'd vote Tutuu over them is if we can't consolidate onto Richard.

I'd rather see you cross with Richard anyway tbh.

[scumbot5679]

oh right, it has to be the full name lol

[CRichardForumLies]

so, who would you vote if you were to be the kingmaker today

Martin. I think their defence of me earlier could be a pocket attempt, while you were interrogating me.

[CRichardForumLies]

I'd rather see you cross with Richard anyway tbh.

That's fine by me.

[MartinGG99]

I think I always vote Richard here, personally.

Only way I'd vote Tutuu over them is if we can't consolidate onto Richard.

I should be clear that's more of a relative comparison.

I'm getting a bit skeptical of Tutuu since I thought they were a possible suspect if lol flipped green, as I find it a bit hard to believe we're at this game-state if all of Ikar/Vittae/Tutuu/Me are town. I feel like with that group of players we would probably perform better than this collectively. Obviously, I've not played very well this game.

[Wiml]

Ok great

[MartinGG99]

but

-vote CRichardForumLies

this guy I've never had any significant reasons to TR and whatever towniness I saw was from them trying to sort out the game in a way I thought interesting and potentially solvy

and, like, one tonally good comment

[CRichardForumLies]

I think I always vote Richard here, personally.

Only way I'd vote Tutuu over them is if we can't consolidate onto Richard.

I seem to remember you saying I'm town while Baker pushed on me. TMI much?

[Wiml]

I'm going to bed shortly so I won't be around for much longer.

Having a vote order isn't necessary here but I find it can be pretty nice for pressuring wolves into committing early still so I'd encourage us to do one.

[CRichardForumLies]

-vote MartinGG99

So be it.

[Wiml]

But in the case we're doing one I'd also like to sort that now while I'm here to give input.

[CRichardForumLies]

Just to be clear, we weren't told votes are locked am I right?

[Wiml]

Just to be clear, we weren't told votes are locked am I right?

I don't believe votes on this site are locked by default, yeah.

[bakermir]

I suggest Vittae to be the hammer

I will be L-1


Ikarus Tutuu Scumbot can vote in any order

[Wiml]

Still, making wolves make a decision early before they know where everyone else is necessarily leaning is beneficial even if there's no mech that makes it extra beneficial.

[Wiml]

I suggest Vittae to be the hammer

I will be L-1


Ikarus Tutuu Scumbot can vote in any order

Scumbot should go first because he's already showed his hand and who he's going to vote anyway.

[Wiml]

So any benefit to holding off is gone.

[CRichardForumLies]

I trust the mafia aren't the type to slowroll in the fringe world Martin and I are town.

[scumbot5679]

sure

-vote MartinGG99

[MartinGG99]

I seem to remember you saying I'm town while Baker pushed on me. TMI much?

I seem to remember that it wasn't that

in fact, looking at it now, baker was reacting to my vote on lol (the player)

At the time I thought it was you pushing/shading him (in a way I thought was rare for a wolf and kinda towny) a bit for his comment on the vote-count and lol's potential flip

-vote lol

well today was wonderfully productive so far

neither lol or varcron have posted

Richard is the only one I have a strong opinion on, in that I think Richard isn't scum. Seems fairly towny to me even if I haven't gotten around to analyzing their latest claims/conclusions because something something cramming homework

disgusting votes tbh

I'd like to see you stand by this if lol is a hit.

Richard is town never rescind.

now watch me get flak if lol is actually a hit

also if I were relying on my TMI

its a bit strange to then position myself on the belief that lol is mafia and keep my vote on him

[MartinGG99]

I don't believe votes on this site are locked by default, yeah.

votes have never really been locked on this site

generally bc it almost has never been done here and in order to do it would need host double-checking first votes and etc

[CRichardForumLies]

I seem to remember that it wasn't that

in fact, looking at it now, baker was reacting to my vote on lol (the player)

At the time I thought it was you pushing/shading him (in a way I thought was rare for a wolf and kinda towny) a bit for his comment on the vote-count and lol's potential flip






also if I were relying on my TMI

its a bit strange to then position myself on the belief that lol is mafia and keep my vote on him

You said "Richard is town never rescind" according to your own quoted post. There's no way you'd be that certain I'm town, unless you as mafia knew everyone's role.
Your words incriminate you there.