S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[Stellaria]

yeah Ikarus has been townie fmpov the whole game, I don't see the world where it's not wisp

[ikarusdk]

this is probably why Im alive and not MM

I think I just vote wisp here

I was expecting you to die here tbh

[Stellaria]

I was expecting you to die here tbh

I think you're the reason Im alive

[Stellaria]

Wisp saw you were willing to question me and shot MM for it

[ikarusdk]

I think you're the reason Im alive

What is that

[Wiisp]

I'm voting first either I lose the game or I'm thundetdoming someone

Still town btw

[Wiisp]

Anyways driving home

[Stellaria]

drive safe

[ikarusdk]

So you are saying because MM was pretty much tmgot townlocked for me from arrow lynch, where as I didn't have anything solid for stellaria,

MM was killed instead?

[Stellaria]

So you are saying because MM was pretty much tmgot townlocked for me from arrow lynch, where as I didn't have anything solid for stellaria,

MM was killed instead?

You were also saying you were gonna lock votes on Wisp so I think Wisp took the chance

[ikarusdk]

Wiisp, can you case Stellaria if you are town?

Don't know who you are going to be voting today but fmpov it is basically you vs stellaria.

[Wiisp]

Wisp saw you were willing to question me and shot MM for it

I mean no, I'd always kill DK here if I was a wolf, petty me wanted to dome DK as soon as day started but I feel like they are too obvious based on how they managed to try to get me and Mac first even tho we are both town

And how u aren't dead after being called townie by literally everyone alive

[ikarusdk]

You were also saying you were gonna lock votes on Wisp so I think Wisp took the chance

I mean... I knew if it was not MM I would be alive here.

[Stellaria]

Well apparently not, according to Wisp lol

[ikarusdk]

I need to really think why MM was killed over Stellaria.

[ikarusdk]

Who has better reason to keep me alive on f3. Stellaria or wiisp.

Wiisp knows damn well that I'd go for wiisp if I was alive. Wiisp would've had a better chance agaisnt MM and Stellaria.

Stellaria was townlocked by me, so maybe felt safe to bring me to f3 as kingmaker agaisnt wiisp.

But this theory destroys my entire worldview

[ikarusdk]

My initial thought qas that if wiisp was mafia, he would try to make it wiisp vs ika on f3. This is what I had thought all game.

[ikarusdk]

The switch from ika to stellaria is...well I'd say a little revealing because of above

[ikarusdk]

I'm voting first either I lose the game or I'm thundetdoming someone

Still town btw

You are voting first? Am I misunderstanding this and what you meant is you are not voting first

[Stellaria]

Wisp has been trying to push you ever since the DM flip. Im thinking me having a more favorable view on Wisp yesterday made them feel safer keeping me alive?

[Stellaria]

but yeah Wisp had been trying to sell the dumb theory that you faked the carol iirc

[ikarusdk]

Yeah we will need time to iso each other and analyse what's happened with nks.

I think we continue discuss about from PoD getting nkd, then ultra, then MM.

If wiisp is wolf, what makes MM a better nk lynch than Stellaria or myself?
Wiisp not dying is obvious because we were pretty much set on wiisp till now, so if wiisp wasn't mafia, they wouldn't kill wiisp.

[ikarusdk]

I know I am town so feel free to ask me any questions about my decisions amd thought processes.

[Stellaria]

Oh wait I have a question, soesghe Guardian Angel work after death like it does in Among Us?

[Stellaria]

oh wait no nevermind Achro already left and won, I thought that couldve been a reason you were alive

[ikarusdk]

Oh wait I have a question, soesghe Guardian Angel work after death like it does in Among Us?

I am not sure. Acho said if Arrow wasn't going to get lynched, he was gonna GA me that night.

[Stellaria]

I am not sure. Acho said if Arrow wasn't going to get lynched, he was gonna GA me that night.

I think I missed this part

[ikarusdk]

Yeah we will need time to iso each other and analyse what's happened with nks.

I think we continue discuss about from PoD getting nkd, then ultra, then MM.

If wiisp is wolf, what makes MM a better nk lynch than Stellaria or myself?
Wiisp not dying is obvious because we were pretty much set on wiisp till now, so if wiisp wasn't mafia, they wouldn't kill wiisp.

Yeah wiisp knew that Stellaria was also pretty much on my wiisp crusade, whereas MM wasn't as convicted.

[ikarusdk]

Stellaria, could you explain why MM was killed over yourself or me?

[ikarusdk]

Do you guys remember when I said I submitted my hero solve on day 1 or 2?

I had sent discord message to host saying my hero solve is

Stellaria Wiisp Arrow.

[Stellaria]

Give me time and I will

[ikarusdk]

Thinking back my townclear on MM was stronger over Stellaria yesterday so could be why MM was killed.

Anyway, the question still remains.

[Stellaria]

caught up in irl stuff rn so 1sec

[Stellaria]

well more than 1s im sorry

[ikarusdk]

All good, I have to do some work atm as well

[Wiisp]

@ikarusdk
normally I should be trying to get the wolfiest player to vote first, of which Im still not certain who it is, I think you make sense if u are power wolfing
anyways, my sense of pride means I'd rather vote first, so i can either lose the game for town, or correctly vote, rather than seeing the off chance where the town between u two randomly snipes me, losing the game straight off

also im still honestly not certain how the talk is "Why MM over Stellar" and not, "Why does wolf!Wisp kill the one person out of us 3 that he has the most experience with, and has found them townie at points, even leave two people alive that both want him dead"
im gunna go read Stellar first, if u have any specific questions i will keep this tab open and keep checking on it

[Wiisp]

@Stellaria
do u have a town game I can read?
personally I still think their is an insane leap in tone between this game and ur mafia game from season 9, but that was also a year ago, so idk how relevant it still is

[Wiisp]

also personally I think its disingenuous to say I tried to call DK a liar, given how the carol works, I think its personally easy to lie about the names because the person who gave the carol only knows that they gave it to u, not what u get, and given that u can easily just give 3 names of which all are town if it gets u 3 dead town even if it outs u the next day

also i never once voted DK, and i didnt even humor when Mac was trying to push their

[Wiisp]

Stellar talked about me and arrow being wolves for what seems like all game...
how does it make any sense for me to be the last wolf and let them live

[Stellaria]

Im still not in the clear irl but I'll answer what is immediately available to me right now

The most immediately available town game that is recent is here on the SC2 Mafia site. It was an anon game where our usernames were based on our pfps. My given username was FM-Sunset and I haven't used the name since, so you could use that as a recent town game.

As for scum games, I had a recent game with Frinckles and Ikarus (probably the reason I got invited here) that had a caroler (ironically I think deb was caroler in that game too). If you want a game on my home forums, I had a scum game hosted by Norwee where it was a team of 3 including 1 traitor. Gikkle was there, as was I think Marshmallow Marshall, Lumi, and a few others.

My champs game with you Wisp was a wakeup call for me lol, I was rusty and I would like to think that my scum game nowadays is better.

All things considered, the way dice have rolled I feel like I've way more experience as town as opposed to Mafia. In my game with Ikarus, I tried to play it off as "wow my town game as Sunset was so shit, so Im gonna try to improve" and used it as an excuse to be scummy. I kind of attribute my shit town game as Sunset as me getting a vig role and not knowing what to do with myself (I **** hate that role). I didn't rand vig obviously but I randed town this game so I guess I kinda just, tried? I dont know. I tried to apply things I learned last few games. Avoided tunneling and drowning out town conversation with worthless tvt. I'm still not sure I'm towning right but I just took it to just point out shit that I thought was wrong.

Now, it is true that I always tinfoil in every game. In the Norwee scum game, I tinfoiled about one of the town players being Miller and I feel like part of the game revolved around that read. I tinfoiled about some of the role stuff in the Sunset game (everyone submitted roles that game) and I I tinfoiled this game with the hydra thing and the dark magician traitor thing.

This is about all the time I have to type but hopefully that helps you get a better read on me if you're town.

[Stellaria]

Ill be back later for real

[Wiisp]

you both didnt vote arrow till MM basically stated it was the better choice, and stellar only voted it to hammer (i think), dont quote me on it, hard to tell from vote history
honestly i can't fathom how town!Stellar doesnt even think here that DK can be a wolf

[Wiisp]

reading the gamestate, and these isos, it reallyt is baffling to me that i have people telling me i am a wolf, and that y'all haven't crossed lol
I must be trapped between word lines here or something

[Wiisp]

and both of you have basically insulted me since like the half way point of this game
like wtf man

like the only good post in Stellar's iso 2216, tonally they are fine
there was one post where they argued, "Why me over these people when they did the same thing", which still reads like a wolf whining about be called out for a reason they believe is bad
honestly if not for me being absorbed by the meta from champs, this slot doesnt look greated, and survived being extremely correct all the way till f3


but DK is no saint either because he still pitched a poe from my PoV, that would have lost the game for town, and they voted in a very over top way, stuff comes off as forced, like the comment about MM snowing them, but they are certainly way more fluid at points than Stellar has ever been. and they went out of their way to not vote Arrow on the day they died

so like the wolf is either a powerwolfer, or someone who played with very obvious tmi

[Wiisp]

Yeah we will need time to iso each other and analyse what's happened with nks.

I think we continue discuss about from PoD getting nkd, then ultra, then MM.

If wiisp is wolf, what makes MM a better nk lynch than Stellaria or myself?
Wiisp not dying is obvious because we were pretty much set on wiisp till now, so if wiisp wasn't mafia, they wouldn't kill wiisp.

PoD being killed makes sense because were they not the other medium?
and ultra from my understanding was clear cleared IC, so like its fine?
as for MM all i can say, is wolf!me would not make that kill

which reminds me, u and arrow both called out these night kills, and thats another thing that I think is forced from you

[Stellaria]

I'm in the waitlist for olive garden

[Stellaria]

also personally I think its disingenuous to say I tried to call DK a liar, given how the carol works, I think its personally easy to lie about the names because the person who gave the carol only knows that they gave it to u, not what u get, and given that u can easily just give 3 names of which all are town if it gets u 3 dead town even if it outs u the next day

also i never once voted DK, and i didnt even humor when Mac was trying to push their

I remember things differently, I'll have to go back and look

[Wiisp]

and like Arrow specifcally goes out of their way to call Ikarus town, twice, and then randomly swaps it a wolf read
im just not sure how arrow picks that name of their hat without them being wolf/wolf

another thing I disliked about DK is their reaction to the train on Mac, of which comes off just as fake as their reactions to MM possibly snowing them, and other things

[Stellaria]

you both didnt vote arrow till MM basically stated it was the better choice, and stellar only voted it to hammer (i think), dont quote me on it, hard to tell from vote history
honestly i can't fathom how town!Stellar doesnt even think here that DK can be a wolf

I saw his game being towny this game. If you disagree (and you seem to) could you point out what I'm missing?

[Wiisp]

I remember things differently, I'll have to go back and look

maybe I didnt read my own iso