where was I doing that to you?
a) you called me your scum partner as a joke, I said I didn't like being called people's scum partner
b) I then said you were being too cautious, aamirus and you corrected me and said you can't both be cautious and NOT cautious at the same time
c) I said I didn't trust you because your play was so different from last game that it felt weird, naz agreed with me and I don't blame her at all
where the fuck is the shade here? I didn't try to Lynch you, I didn't try to discredit your reads, I did discredit you because I thought you were scum, do you not discredit scum leans as town?
yeah this doesn't surprise me either, I also called you out as p much scum on day one
Mag also LIED once again and said that you are un able to replicate your town meta, when I know for a fact that you can. YOU also know that you can, so I think mag was covering for you there when he said that.
I see a potential 3 man team of Mag + Ozy + Yagami.
CHANGE MY MIND LETS FUCKING GO!
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lol, how did I LIE, I didn't say he couldn't replicate his town meta, I said he couldn't POST along the same lines of thought he does when he's town, it's impossible for him as scum literally check any game, his thoughts are significantly easier to follow when he's town - I'm not alone in this, rumox also thinks so
tbh Efe was towny towards the end
also off-key note I don't trust Solid D, and I think one of Solid D/OzyWho and prolly Huey = Scum
Honestly, this is not going the way I was hoping at all.
So now I have to say this.
I left one thing out in what my N1 thoughts were:
Blinkskater is not scumhunting, he is open wolfing. Meaning that he tries his best to influence the Towns flow of information - what do people think and what direction.
I was hoping for Huey to get pushed SoD1 and Blink to start misdirect us tbh.
Now, not only after I read EoD1 I see mag and light being VERY townie - I also happen to have the same thoughts as them? Fuck me, this sure must look shady from others perspectives.
-vote blinkskater
Also Blink Thats A Pretty Far Reach Of A Me Ozy And Mag Team.. If They Are Town Like I Am Then I Guess You Could Say We Are On A Team.. The Green Team.. Again Thats If They Are Town Like Me..
But Based On You Being Alive Im 98.7% Sure You Are Scum..
Sorry for late update.
I forgot it's now 7 votes to lynch.
A.) has nothing to do with this situation and I have no clue why you brought it up or if its relevant because you said it yourself it was a joke.
B.) You were calling me cautious infering that I was scum because of it is how I read the situation.
C.) You said I was manipulating you why the fuck would I need to do that as town? When you call someone manipulative do you think that isn't shade?
I also never said you discredited my reads so I don't know where you pulled that from.
You said I was manipulating you i'll find the quote sure. That is called shade, town don't need to manipulate people.
You did discredit me, why do you feel the need to discredit a town member? I point out flaws in a players game and logic to prove that they are scum, which is what i'm doing to you.
Where are the flaws in my logic? Where is an example of me being to cautious? Where is the example of me manipulating you?
Don't worry i'll wait because you fabricated them.
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@Frinckles
did the janitor also clear Kovath's memories?
1. I didn't say you said that, I was saying that I didn't shade you as - 1 I never shaded your reads, and 2 I called you scum, which is completely different from shading, and FMPOV the only world in which I'd do what I did yesterday as scum is if I'm trying to undermine your credibility - have I done that? no. I called you scum. completely different things
2. I said you were being awfully cautious, I never said anything about being manipulative although yes, that's what I was hinting at. literally anyone who'd read d1 would agree with me in that you were way too cautious and buddy-buddy with people, which is something multiple people said, not just me; I have no idea how that's shade but ok
3. I discredited you to the same extent that one discredits their scum reads? how is that a scumtell, also I have no way of knowing if you're a "town member", from my perspective of course I would never discredit a town member (unless I had reason to, which isn't the case here), I thought you were scum
4. where are the flaws in mine?
example of you being too cautious - you didn't commit to a proper stance WRT players, and your tone was WAY off. you also buddied me and aamirus yesterday, and I'm very weary of being buddied.
manipulative - you buddying people could be construed as you being manipulative
also
Because, After The Whole Ordeal I Finally Was Seeing That Efe Was Town.. Claimed Doc.. U Know.. And U Stayed On Even Knowing Efe Claimed A Uncontested Doctor Claim.. SB16 Pointed That Out Uncontested Doc Claim And You Lynched.. No Body Countered Efes Claim.. Thats Why.. And Huey Is Legit Playing His Scum Meta He Is Highly Inactive Day 1 As Scum And Generally Doesnt Contribute Much.. However, As Town He Is All Over This Thread Like White On Rice..
You are not being sincere here.
Do you HONESTLY expect someone to TRUHLY being able to ignore meta reads? Are you salty that he didn't?
Yeah he lied when he said that he won't use meta reads.
But:
1) Can you hold it against a player for using meta reads even when planning not to?
2) What's scummy about it? I understand scummyness in contradictions, but this is just silly.
ya, I admitted I lied about not using meta, but like I don't see how that's AI for me, I've got threads all over this forum heavily attacking the use of meta, in hindsight maybe not the brightest decision but I stand by what I did, I do not think that is AI:
a) I said I didn't use meta WRT reading light (this is true, in the sense that its not the usual meta most players think of)? So what am I doing here I'm calling him town? yeah except it doesn't actually work since it's "meta", so by definition you should take it with a grain of salt, no, if I were trying to protect my scummate I would come up with something much better than that, meta is a weak crutch for scum players
b) I then said you were being too cautious, which is true, I called you scum or rather a scum lean and I said I didn't trust you, now how is that manipulative? and what was that trying to achieve, a mislynch? why mislynch you when I can just nightkill you?
c) At some point aamirus said "wait is he cautious or ballsy" and I dropped it since clearly my thought process was off.
d) I still didn't trust you of course because your play seemed completely off compared to what I was accustomed to
This is crazy! everyone at each others throats!
Whats new??
no feedback!
oh yah no night feedback last night
Self meta hold ZERO credibility dude, saying that I would never do that as scum hold absolutely zero weight, THAT is manipulation.
When you say you i'm manipulating you THAT IS SHADE. That is you saying something to the thread to make me look bad and lose credibility. And this happened while I was pushing OZy for being scum
You did say something about being manipulative and I will pull it from YOUR ISO when I get a chance, but this is consuming all of my time and energy right now. You said I was being manipulative and cautious, fmpov you can't be both at the same time. You never explained how I was being cautious. You never gave examples of why you thought Iwas being cautious, therefor it was just shade to make me look like I could never be cautious as town.
I already told you what I thought was a scum tell.
I don't even know what WRT means, You can say my tone is way off yeah sure I am going to disagree with you because I have never seen you tone read a player a few hours into the game during shitpost phase but ok if that's what you're going to go with.
ANd you never asking but I was buddying you to help me gauge your alignment based on how you were going to react to it. I don't consider buddying someone manipulating them from my town pov.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
Saying that you aren't using meta reads, and then reading half the thread with meta reads is scummy, it's creating a false sense of character, like he's trying to portray himself as someone then being someone completely different. That kind of play doesn't come from a town player.
This isn't where i parked my car.....
a ) I never used self-meta
b) It's not shade, it's me calling you scum
c) yeah, I dunno if said manipulative or not but I did think you were being too cautious, the contrast isn't between cautious/manipulative here (in my eyes you can be both at the same time), it's between cauutious/aggressive, like you called me your scum partner that's aggressive
d) okay maybe I should've, moot point seeing as it wasn't you I was going after
e) wrt = with respect to the
f) I toneread players all the time, and your tone was 100% off compared to your usual tone
g) okay that's fair but I interpreted it as you trying to pocket me, as its literally happened before when I was town and you were scum, hell that very game is in my signature lol
At Least Thats How I Interpreted It Correct Me If Im Wrong Puff The Magic Dragon...
i'm literally being attacked by three different players for scum reading mag
they happen to be the three players i pegged for the scum team oh the irony
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I disagree, I always say I don't use meta, how is this any different, and how am I "creating a false sense of character", its easy to tell when something's a metaread and when it isn't
b) I don't see what you're saying - I'm obviously trying to make myself appear in a different light - but in what light? someone who doesn't use meta? I don't see how that's a scumtell
@Magoroth the part in the red is you using self meta
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@blinkskater
I want to quote my 2 posts where I described you too as "cautios" and "manipulative".
Cautios:
Manipulative:
So, yeah. I can definetly agree with Mag when he says you are being cautios and manipulative.
I have given my descriptions of how I see your play. Lucky for you, neither is "provable".
But the fact that you werent scumhunting D1 is proof enough for me.