S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra

[blinkskater]

This.

You put the two most voted people against each other when?

When EOD when votes change rapidly and people make ridiculous claims?
What happens when suddenly everyone doesn't suspect one of those people anymore -- thunderdome restart?
Right now when we're still trying to figure things out?

I think the system we're using now is fine. It's certainly not perfect but if anyone is distracted by it, that's on them.

It's not unfair to suspect @blinkskater for trying to manipulate the focal point of our voting system or misdirect our attention from 11 other people.

If you want to pressure people for answers or find concise information, I'm sure you know how to.

Simply discredits i see, manipulating our voting system and misdirecting our attention from 11 other people is not my intent.

If that's what you actually think i was trying to do then surely i should me your #1 suspect and main target today if you think im doing things like that.

I ask you to read my post a few times and process it a little better, because either you missed a few points or you're out here spreading your scum agenda lol

[Efekannn02]

Suspecting every player of being scum and then when games over saying i told you so doesn't make me think you're good lol.

How about who you suspect of being town?

Nah

[Frinckles]

Frinckles and Light_Yagami were the only people online to have read it before your post and they didn't say anything. Whether that is alignment indicative is debatable but I'll be honest, I would have thought Frinckles would have called me out. Maybe it was my slight buddying with him, echoing his opinion on going in a WIFOM circle, that made him hesitant to push me. Or he just didn't care to question it, OR I give him too much credit lol. Either way, I've noticed he and Light didn't say anything.

You weren't responded to or called out because I was (1) Drunk playing Path Of Exile and (2) It just looks like a shitty reaction test.

Can you explain this to me? I'm not following how you can justify a "soft claim" discussion into discouraging lynch options while not even being close to EOD

The explaination was literally in the quote.

"He could have simply said nothing this whole game and he'd be as scummy as the people at the bottom of your list. Regardless of whether it's his metagame really doesn't matter, he could have missed D1 due to a irl thing.. the statement still stands."

This is a non-question.

Lynching is bad for the soul.

Vote to skip scummerino. c:

juicy content doesnt really come from me unless im scum. town mesk herpaderps and prays for the best

I don't know how much longer I can stomach the "im townreading myself because of meta" posts.

(The long post lul)

@Huey The Long

I'll townread that.

[blinkskater]

Nah

lol yeah i figured to scared of being wrong still

[Frinckles]

reading is fundamental my bad lol

np fam, we all do it.

[Efekannn02]

lol yeah i figured to scared of being wrong still

Im Just Lazy Right Now Dude

[blinkskater]

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Fixed

[blinkskater]

Im Just Lazy Right Now Dude

Nah thats just an excuse

[Stealthbomber16]

You're miss represnting my plan here, it isn't limiting a lynch between 2 people.

It's re-directing the bottom two most scumread players due to condorcet voting, into a 1v1. One of those players eould be lynched anyways (whoevers at the bottom.)

What i proposed would open up tons of contents and would force scum to start inputting reads and content which i stated in my large post.

In no way can you say it's a waist of focous and resources, that's just a pure discredit to my idea.

And a general "these players are just scum" is a bad way to read the game. That is if you're playing from a town pov.

But a fair amount of times, in the last ~10 hours of the day, the lynch changes in light of new info ie a claim. If we do the thunder dome style lynch you’re proposing then that completely disregards what literally happens at EoD. This is a waste of breath to discuss because lynch in practice can’t be as cleanly controlled in an FM game because 1. Not everyone will be present at EoD and 2. There is infinitely more time for new development

Saying “these players are just scum” is not the cause. It’s the effect. I came to the conclusion that you’re scum because you’re attempting to limit the lynch.

[Efekannn02]

Nah thats just an excuse

Its One That Works Though

[Stealthbomber16]

reading is fundamental my bad lol

What are your thoughts? Have you played an FM before?

[Frinckles]

Simply discredits i see, manipulating our voting system and misdirecting our attention from 11 other people is not my intent.

If that's what you actually think i was trying to do then surely i should me your #1 suspect and main target today if you think im doing things like that.

I ask you to read my post a few times and process it a little better, because either you missed a few points or you're out here spreading your scum agenda lol

I don't see any reason to change my vote yet. But since you're so defensive: Okay, let's dissect your post Blink.

Although this condorcet voting makes it harder imo to find scum thru voting.

It doesn't. We can literally see everyone's votes, even against their possible allies. And alternative would be us looking at one vote from one person at any given time. In most ways, voting tells us more from people's intentions as opposed to these long winded giganto-posts that spew nonsense.

This is why I am going to suggest a type of court where we take things into our own hands at the EOD. EOD's usually yeild tons of valuable information especially day 1's. Scum votes are often easier to pick up on due to who has votes how they vote and why they vote. The condorcet system although very cool is a different way of essentially playing the game.

There is no reason to do that. EOD's do yield a lot of information but you're basically saying you need to instate your own voting system to compound our current one for the sake of scum-hunting. We have a lot of time still left in the day. Saying that condorcet is a different way of playing the game means that from your point of view, you only have one absolute FOS and nobody else matters.

So what i'm suggesting here is we take the two most scumread players from condorcet list, and make a kind of thunderdome between those two players. We then use the site votes to determine who wants to lynch who out of those two players. Majority will rule and amongst ourselves we adjust the condorcet voting to eliminate the player with the most votes.

You mean like, now? When? Why even?

I think this will yeild tons of alignment indicative information this way. Scum will either have to push a miss lynch or defend their allies publicly and this will give us a chance to pick up on that. It will force scum to post and vote. And make them really uncomfortable.

They can do that right now. Click on the left panel of the current bird list; You can see everyone's votes.

Due to the condorcet voting i feel scum can just lay low and make sure they are anywhere but at the top of the list.

Inactivity is one of my least favorite things. If you'd like to lynch someone over it, I don't have a problem with that. Here's a possible suggestion. Use the central area of your bird list as an "afk" zone underneath your top FOS(s). Then at the bottom line up all your townies, this way AFKplayers (and your scum) get a little more pressure on them for not participating. Don't forget to weight yourself at the very bottom. ;)

I think this is our best course of action to draw out the scum and solve the game.

I'd prefer a Naz thunderbolt.

[Stealthbomber16]

What are your thoughts? Have you played an FM before?

@Clank for when you come back

[Clank]

@Clank for when you come back

I have played games similar , normally the most forward and vocal have some suspicion on them . I am still reading and trying to get a feel for people. I missed a lot on the first day so catching up currently.

[Light_Yagami]

@Clank Where Is Ratchet? Just Wondering.. Everything Seems Fuzzy This Morning..

[Light_Yagami]

I'll touch on this later

Why Not Touch On This Now?

[Light_Yagami]

If you are so adamant that I would open wolf that blatantly then go ahead and keep me as your lynch priority

I Mean I Wouldnt Put It Past You..

[Light_Yagami]

Why Not Touch On This Now?

About This Comment.. I Saw U Did Respond.. Ignore.. Replying As It Seems Relevant As Im Catching Up Because LN Was A Pretty Wild Night..

[Light_Yagami]

But the WIFOM isn't meant to be discussed... ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT SOFT CLAIMS IS TO BE STOPPED RIGHT NOW, RIGHT AFTER THIS POST.

You literally asked them to continue the discussion about softclaims, which isn't good. And if he did it, it wouldn't exactly be a scum slip, but poor play under your influence/open wolfing.

And no, I don't have him locked as town at all. I'm praying to god that he didn't because it would have hurt town anyway.

For now, I'm keeping you there as my #1 vote. Not saying you're 100% scum of course, but I like where my vote is rn.

I Mean We Currently Have 2 Vigi Soft Claims.. I Wouldnt Put It Past A SK Or Mafia To Try And Claim Vigi.. Seems Like Expanding On This Could Shed Some Light On The Over All Situation..

[Light_Yagami]

juicy content doesnt really come from me unless im scum. town mesk herpaderps and prays for the best

I Mean Wouldnt You Say.. It Wouldnt Be Hard To Be Scum Playing Your "Town Meta" To Gain Town Points?

[Light_Yagami]

Now I Need Coffee.. Be Back Later..

[Clank]

I Mean We Currently Have 2 Vigi Soft Claims.. I Wouldnt Put It Past A SK Or Mafia To Try And Claim Vigi.. Seems Like Expanding On This Could Shed Some Light On The Over All Situation..

what is a sofft claim ?

[naz]

Attention:

As of this post @Mojoland has been replaced by @DS.

homie couldn't even get to the site it just 404'd on him
big fat rip and Fs in chat

but also rejoice
because DS is here!!!!!

fat smackin welcomes on the bum

[Voss]

The calculator has no support for replacing people, so people will need to resubmit their votes taking into account DS.

Though I would NOT necessarily say they immediately need to.

[Light_Yagami]

what is a sofft claim ?

A Soft Claim Is Where Someone Eludes To Their Role With Out Expressly Stating It.. Such As Mag And SB16 Did..

[DS.]

I just got to work so ima need to check in later. I'll be active though no doubt

[Stealthbomber16]

I have played games similar , normally the most forward and vocal have some suspicion on them . I am still reading and trying to get a feel for people. I missed a lot on the first day so catching up currently.

I can see what you mean. Let me know when you figure something out. It’s hard to get your first game good so I’m going to be more patient than I probably should be.

[Stealthbomber16]

A Soft Claim Is Where Someone Eludes To Their Role With Out Expressly Stating It.. Such As Mag And SB16 Did..

bruh

[Light_Yagami]

Because Lets Play This Scenario.. Lets Say Mag Is SK With Threatening A Night 1 Kill As Vigi.. He Could Have Deliberately Soft Claimed To Try And Lure Out The Real Vigi Who Is Either SB16 Or A Hidden Town Yet To Be Revealed.

Secondly If Mag Wanted To Go Pro As SK And Wait Till Night 2 To Kill So It Confuses Us Over The Actual Vigi Claim That Would Be Harder To Tell Who Was Telling The Truth Day 3.. If That Scenario Is What Mag Is Thinking.. Just Pointing Out How This Could Go Down.. If Mag Is Actually SK And Not A Vigi As He Claims..

[Light_Yagami]

bruh

He Asked A Question I Gave An Answer Man.. Just Trying To Be Helpful For The New Player.

[Stealthbomber16]

what is a sofft claim ?

essentially hinting at a role or implying a role

[Frinckles]

I just got to work so ima need to check in later. I'll be active though no doubt

c: Welcome aboard.

[Stealthbomber16]

I’m shook

[Stealthbomber16]

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@Light_Yagami
Why are you still discussing who is vig

[Light_Yagami]

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@Light_Yagami
Why are you still discussing who is vig

I Was Pointing Out A Possible Scenario And Trying In Ernest To Find Scum Like A Said Both Ur Claim And Mag Claim Could Be False.. I Distrust Mag Claim More. Because Of The N1 Kill Threat Against Blink And Distorted.. However, Moving Me Up You Lynch Statistic Isnt Going To Get Me To Stop This Line Of Thinking.. Because, I Honestly Think Its A Conversation That Needs To Be Had.. And Thought About..

[Light_Yagami]

I Was Pointing Out A Possible Scenario And Trying In Ernest To Find Scum Like A Said Both Ur Claim And Mag Claim Could Be False.. I Distrust Mag Claim More. Because Of The N1 Kill Threat Against Blink And Distorted.. However, Moving Me Up You Lynch Statistic Isnt Going To Get Me To Stop This Line Of Thinking.. Because, I Honestly Think Its A Conversation That Needs To Be Had.. And Thought About..

I Mean Blink And MM N1 Kill Threat From Mag

[Unknown1234]

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[Unknown1234]

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Sigh

[Unknown1234]

Fuck it I don’t need to unvote

[Stealthbomber16]

you got this I believe in you unknown

[Light_Yagami]

@Unknown1234 It Goes Like This [unvote ] vote [/unvote ] No Spaces

[Unknown1234]

-unvote

[Huey The Long]

To Blink who asked about my take on Mag. I may of misread and please say if i did however Mag said he was against Discord, that Discord and the creation of Discord was a scummy move and then he went ahead and started doing such, flinging shit in every which way and also his claim which firstly caused a lot of hoohah and secondly is a very strange move to undertake on the first day.

I welcome DS to the game and hope the geezer shall bring a lot to the table. Also Efe whats wrong with me >:C

[Stealthbomber16]

-unvote

yayayaya

[Unknown1234]

Okay I finally caught up with everything and there were a few things that stood out so I will turn on my computer and explain what I think.
Stealth you said I was your first main town read yet you don’t put me at the bottom of your reads list? Explain that?

[Light_Yagami]

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[Huey The Long]

A Soft Claim Is Where Someone Eludes To Their Role With Out Expressly Stating It.. Such As Mag And SB16 Did..

I am quite confused by this post, did SB16 soft claim? I dont want you to say where he did or whatever because that will just lead for mafia to search it out. If he did and nobody else has said anything about it then why did you mention it when clearly it was not meant to be caught and exposed. Finally Mag hard claimed vig pretty much, it was not a soft claim in any capacity.

[Light_Yagami]

I am quite confused by this post, did SB16 soft claim? I dont want you to say where he did or whatever because that will just lead for mafia to search it out. If he did and nobody else has said anything about it then why did you mention it when clearly it was not meant to be caught and exposed. Finally Mag hard claimed vig pretty much, it was not a soft claim in any capacity.

Please Keep Reading.. It Will Become Clear.. But Mag Did Threaten A N1 Kill Against 2 PPL.. So There Is That.. And Thats What Is Leading Me To Draw This Conclusion.

[Huey The Long]

-vote skip

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I cant place my trust in people who support the day one skip over the day one lynch, so much information can be pulled from a day one lynch and with a good town a day one lynch will hit a scum. Even if we dont hit a scum and instead hit an inactive town then the info we get from their death (role and whatnot) is so much better then the information we get from an inactive town and their is also an off chance we hit a unfortunate inactive scum or neutral. Day one lynches are good and being against them is bad i dont care bout what yo meta be.

[Light_Yagami]

I cant place my trust in people who support the day one skip over the day one lynch, so much information can be pulled from a day one lynch and with a good town a day one lynch will hit a scum. Even if we dont hit a scum and instead hit an inactive town then the info we get from their death (role and whatnot) is so much better then the information we get from an inactive town and their is also an off chance we hit a unfortunate inactive scum or neutral. Day one lynches are good and being against them is bad i dont care bout what yo meta be.

This Is Just So I Dont Go Off Half Cocked And Tunnel 2 Hard On Someone. This Keeps Me From Throwing My Vote Around Needlessly..