S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra

[Ganelon]

aight fuck it

Spoiler : cvote :

Frinckles,HueyTheLong,Stealthbomber16,Kenny,Marshm allowMarshall,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Efeka nnn02,Light_Yagami,

Frinckles is who im lynching today - you produced way too much bullshit on d1 and nobody pushed you for it whereas people have gotten pushed for other reasons which were even flimsier, you don't get to make it past today without atoning for your sins against blinkskater d1, I do believe you killed him believing him to be of the opposite alignment and wanted him out of the picture because he scum read you, and because you thought you could get lots of towncred for lynching him

im not moving my vote. bring it on CHOO CHOO LYNCH FOR THE LYNCH GOD

[Kenny]

This is where I’m going to start my case because this is where I really began baiting MM.

I’ll open with stating the purpose of what you’re about to see. I noticed MM was starting to get quite frustrated so I decided to push harder and see what would happen. When I am scum and I’m getting pushed and the people who are pushing me are inarticulate about why they are pushing me, I get extremely frustrated. So I wanted to see what would happen if I purposefully did not articulate why I was pushing MM. I felt safe in the fact I was bottom position on the bird list which is difficult to turbo on, and I was also happy to be directing votes away from blink v frinckles TvT, so it served multiple purposes.


This was when I got the idea. As you can see, he is clearly upset at being first lynch. Ignoring his TPR claim for a moment, we can take a few notes.
1. He is frustrated at why is being pushed.
2. He is very conscious of how he is playing.
3. He was pro-blink by EoD day 1 too (but I won’t be touching on that right now)
I haven’t played enough recently to give you a good meta reading on MM, but I do know that this would be exactly how I would be feeling as scum at this moment. As scum I’m hyper aware of how I’m playing and when I get pushed for things that are false that makes me genuinely upset.

Now that TPR hardclaim above is the direct result of this post


Where I quoted his post where he asked us to invite him and I essentially told him “no”.
There were 3 minutes between this post and his TPR claim, and he did post this between them.

Which means he definitely saw what I posted.


And I called him out on it then.


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I had much less time than I thought I had so I can’t do much other than this since day ends in like 30 minutes iirc but my point is
MM is frustrated that he is being pushed for the “wrong reasons” and as such he is making mistakes. It’s a simple thing but very effective. I’ll be looking for this as I finish reading the new stuff

Why can't you just leave the tpr hunt for tomorrow and at least once look at possible teammates that aren't efe or yagami

[Efekannn02]

Voss is right on this point. Efe is intentionally anti-gaming here. If he is town claiming scum and intentionally (and admittedly) causing chaos for the sole purpose of his personal entertainment, while being detrimental to his alignment's wincon, then post-game actions could be taken against him to put a stop to that; our job is to act under the assumption that everyone is playing the game with legitimate intent to win the game, and therefore Efe's play is scummy and fits with his scum meta anyway, so we ought to lynch him.

I have the legitimate intent to win
you just fell for my trap card

[Voss]

your posts have been extremely curt this game and I don't think I've seen you do lots of game solving this game, why?

Why do I need to put a bunch of effort into a game where the current consensus is almost exactly where I want it to be. I'll let deaths shake things up. Even if we're wrong about efe, it wouldn't change my mind about the next 3, Frinkles, MM, and Light.

I'll do more game solving once there's more dead players. Or if I'm dead, in that case any effort that I put in would have been wasted.

[Ganelon]

wait what the fuck is sb16 claiming vig or am I high

[Ganelon]

@Stealthbomber16 are you claiming tpr???

[Frinckles]

aight fuck it

Spoiler : cvote :

Frinckles,HueyTheLong,Stealthbomber16,Kenny,Marshm allowMarshall,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Efeka nnn02,Light_Yagami,

Frinckles is who im lynching today - you produced way too much bullshit on d1 and nobody pushed you for it whereas people have gotten pushed for other reasons which were even flimsier, you don't get to make it past today without atoning for your sins against blinkskater d1, I do believe you killed him believing him to be of the opposite alignment and wanted him out of the picture because he scum read you, and because you thought you could get lots of towncred for lynching him

im not moving my vote. bring it on CHOO CHOO LYNCH FOR THE LYNCH GOD

If you think Blinkskater is without a doubt a citizen, why arent you voting mechanically confirmed scum that saw YOU visit Blink?

Tell me I'm wrong.

[Stealthbomber16]

and if town loses bc they lynched town that was claiming scum, well really the claimer should be 100% at fault.

Yeah this would be considered gamethrowing under any scenario of the flip in the mod

[Stealthbomber16]

@Stealthbomber16 are you claiming tpr???

no

[Ganelon]

ah nvm I c I c.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

aight fuck it

Spoiler : cvote :

Frinckles,HueyTheLong,Stealthbomber16,Kenny,Marshm allowMarshall,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Efeka nnn02,Light_Yagami,

Frinckles is who im lynching today - you produced way too much bullshit on d1 and nobody pushed you for it whereas people have gotten pushed for other reasons which were even flimsier, you don't get to make it past today without atoning for your sins against blinkskater d1, I do believe you killed him believing him to be of the opposite alignment and wanted him out of the picture because he scum read you, and because you thought you could get lots of towncred for lynching him

im not moving my vote. bring it on CHOO CHOO LYNCH FOR THE LYNCH GOD

Spoiler : cvote :

Frinckles,Efekannn02,Stealthbomber16,Voss,DS,rumox ,HueyTheLong,Kenny,Magoroth,SkipDay,Light_Yagami,M arshmallowMarshall,

I can get behind that.

[Ganelon]

If you think Blinkskater is without a doubt a citizen, why arent you voting mechanically confirmed scum that saw YOU visit Blink?Tell me I'm wrong.

? I 100% visited blink, there's no question about it

[Efekannn02]

well im comfirmed town if you guys lynch me its your loss

im not gamethrowing afterall
I already gave my reads and im pretty sure they are accurate even if im paranoid right now and came to conclusions way too fast

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : cvote :

Stealthbomber16,HueyTheLong,Kenny,MarshmallowMarsh all,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Light_Yagami,Fr inckles,Efekannn02,

am I gonna game it up and see what happens
FUCK YEAH

[Ganelon]

well im comfirmed town if you guys lynch me its your loss

im not gamethrowing afterall
I already gave my reads and im pretty sure they are accurate even if im paranoid right now and came to conclusions way too fast

no you're not game throwing bc you're sk.

[Voss]

aight fuck it

Spoiler : cvote :

Frinckles,HueyTheLong,Stealthbomber16,Kenny,Marshm allowMarshall,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Efeka nnn02,Light_Yagami,

Frinckles is who im lynching today - you produced way too much bullshit on d1 and nobody pushed you for it whereas people have gotten pushed for other reasons which were even flimsier, you don't get to make it past today without atoning for your sins against blinkskater d1, I do believe you killed him believing him to be of the opposite alignment and wanted him out of the picture because he scum read you, and because you thought you could get lots of towncred for lynching him

im not moving my vote. bring it on CHOO CHOO LYNCH FOR THE LYNCH GOD

this really ain't the point of condorcet, to try and save people from #1.

this vote tells me that mag would absolutely hate if efe or light got killed, and i don't think thats valid. You should be okay with an elimination on anyone in your top scum reads, and if you're seriously town coring light/efe... i'd seriously seriously ... (i'm not going to finish this sentence bc it'd be mean).

[Efekannn02]

Spoiler : cvote :

Stealthbomber16,HueyTheLong,Kenny,MarshmallowMarsh all,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Light_Yagami,Fr inckles,Efekannn02,

am I gonna game it up and see what happens
FUCK YEAH

your vote means nothing


and I also want to refresh the page eachtime someone makes a cvote but I dont want to overload the servers again

[Huey The Long]

Spoiler : cvote :

Efekannn02,Frinckles,Kenny,Stealthbomber16,rumox,L ight_Yagami,DS,Voss,Magoroth,MarshmallowMarshall,S kipDay,HueyTheLong,

Just making sure my vote is all in order before the EoD

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : cvote :

Stealthbomber16,HueyTheLong,Kenny,MarshmallowMarsh all,Voss,DS,rumox,SkipDay,Magoroth,Frinckles,Efeka nnn02,Light_Yagami,

just testing. dont mind me.

[Efekannn02]

no you're not game throwing bc you're sk.

Im pretty sure I cannot be SK

which Efekannn02 would make a DN with proper english?
Why would Rumox still be alive?
Why would I even hit Blink ffs I already lost Mesk!

[Kenny]

Why do I need to put a bunch of effort into a game where the current consensus is almost exactly where I want it to be. I'll let deaths shake things up. Even if we're wrong about efe, it wouldn't change my mind about the next 3, Frinkles, MM, and Light.

I'll do more game solving once there's more dead players. Or if I'm dead, in that case any effort that I put in would have been wasted.

What did DS do to not be in that list? I've been trying to find out all day and still don't know.
What I saw was him heavily buddying blink d1, avoiding discussion when I tried talking with him and generally not contributing.
Is there something I missed? Was there something great in the spoiler posts that isn't indicative of what scum usually does to earn townpoints easily?

[Voss]

The better choice between frinkles and light/efe is not frinkles bc frinkles can actually give us readable content and reads.

[Huey The Long]

Im pretty sure I cannot be SK

which Efekannn02 would make a DN with proper english?
Why would Rumox still be alive?
Why would I even hit Blink ffs I already lost Mesk!

the last line is why you would hit blink, to make it seem like its not something you would do.

[Voss]

What did DS do to not be in that list? I've been trying to find out all day and still don't know.
What I saw was him heavily buddying blink d1, avoiding discussion when I tried talking with him and generally not contributing.
Is there something I missed? Was there something great in the spoiler posts that isn't indicative of what scum usually does to earn townpoints easily?

his day 2 sucks, yeah, but i liked his day 1. i'll give you that.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This is where I’m going to start my case because this is where I really began baiting MM.

I’ll open with stating the purpose of what you’re about to see. I noticed MM was starting to get quite frustrated so I decided to push harder and see what would happen. When I am scum and I’m getting pushed and the people who are pushing me are inarticulate about why they are pushing me, I get extremely frustrated. So I wanted to see what would happen if I purposefully did not articulate why I was pushing MM. I felt safe in the fact I was bottom position on the bird list which is difficult to turbo on, and I was also happy to be directing votes away from blink v frinckles TvT, so it served multiple purposes.


This was when I got the idea. As you can see, he is clearly upset at being first lynch. Ignoring his TPR claim for a moment, we can take a few notes.
1. He is frustrated at why is being pushed.
2. He is very conscious of how he is playing.
3. He was pro-blink by EoD day 1 too (but I won’t be touching on that right now)
I haven’t played enough recently to give you a good meta reading on MM, but I do know that this would be exactly how I would be feeling as scum at this moment. As scum I’m hyper aware of how I’m playing and when I get pushed for things that are false that makes me genuinely upset.

Now that TPR hardclaim above is the direct result of this post


Where I quoted his post where he asked us to invite him and I essentially told him “no”.
There were 3 minutes between this post and his TPR claim, and he did post this between them.

Which means he definitely saw what I posted.


And I called him out on it then.


—
I had much less time than I thought I had so I can’t do much other than this since day ends in like 30 minutes iirc but my point is
MM is frustrated that he is being pushed for the “wrong reasons” and as such he is making mistakes. It’s a simple thing but very effective. I’ll be looking for this as I finish reading the new stuff

And your point is...? Let's recapitulate.

No shit I'm getting frustrated. I'm town and I'm getting pushed because of CRAPPY reasons. Would I be frustrated as scum for being pushed for crappy reasons? Yes, definetly. But the same thing goes for being pushed for crappy reasons AS TOWN. Your point is null and void.

Once again, no shit I'm upset being the first lynch priority there. I'm town, I know I'm town, and I see that people are going to pull a mislynch FOR SURE. That's the basic selfpreservation principle, and it is NOT scummy. Wanting to survive is literally what everyone who's not a jester should be doing... so your point is once again null and void.

Point 1 : just addressed it
Point 2 : After being attacked, yes, I developped a conscience of myself. And once again... that is not scummy.
Point 3 : "Holy shit he defended a townie who flipped town and was nightkilled twice, that's scummy" UH NO XD

There was no "mistake" listed here, there was nothing scummy, just really bad points. So in the name of my town player authority (did I say? I'm town.), I declare this case null and void. It's not scummy by itself because it's just EMPTY lol, so literally, null and void.

[Ganelon]

I would 100% Lynch efe here but I don't think it's him unfortunately.
I think its Frinckles/Huey/someone else.
fite me.

[Efekannn02]

Voss is right on this point. Efe is intentionally anti-gaming here. If he is town claiming scum and intentionally (and admittedly) causing chaos for the sole purpose of his personal entertainment, while being detrimental to his alignment's wincon, then post-game actions could be taken against him to put a stop to that; our job is to act under the assumption that everyone is playing the game with legitimate intent to win the game, and therefore Efe's play is scummy and fits with his scum meta anyway, so we ought to lynch him.

When did I ever gamethrow at mylo/lylo? you cant just sole when I still follow my desire to win even when im on a big disadvantage

[Huey The Long]

I just noticed that i had Light really far down for some reason so ive put him up a bit.

Spoiler : cvote :

Efekannn02,Frinckles,Light_Yagami,Kenny,Stealthbom ber16,rumox,DS,Voss,Magoroth,MarshmallowMarshall,S kipDay,HueyTheLong,

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hey! MM is here to smoke his victory cigar.

Yes, for today, we will lynch a scum ^^

[Efekannn02]

the last line is why you would hit blink, to make it seem like its not something you would do.

tbh I would hit him

But I already lost Mesk

[Voss]

Hey also, you special sporks who are putting light and efe at the bottom, what you are doing is making the list a whole lot more volatile, and making the EoD vote subject to change. Stop it.

This is equivalent to swapping back and forth between vote trains.

[Huey The Long]

I would 100% Lynch efe here but I don't think it's him unfortunately.
I think its Frinckles/Huey/someone else.
fite me.

Frick you Mag i am a good cop, i do my job and i do it somewhat well.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

When did I ever gamethrow at mylo/lylo? you cant just sole when I still follow my desire to win even when im on a big disadvantage

Just saying that I saw this post, but that it shouldn't need to be explained again, so I'm not even going to bother.

[Efekannn02]

Yes, for today, we will lynch a scum ^^

imb4 I flip town and I make a big "I told you so"

[Voss]

imb4 I flip town and I make a big "I told you so"

you claimed SK, and have no right to say "i told you so"

[Kenny]

I'll just do this for now. I agree that Efe is a better lynch than Frinckles, while I also would prefer stealth or DS on the podest.

Spoiler : cvote :

DS,Stealthbomber16,Efekannn02,Frinckles,Light_Yaga mi,rumox,Voss,HueyTheLong,SkipDay,Magoroth,Marshma llowMarshall,Kenny,

[Marshmallow Marshall]

his day 2 sucks, yeah, but i liked his day 1. i'll give you that.

I agree with that view, btw. (About DS)

[Efekannn02]

Just saying that I saw this post, but that it shouldn't need to be explained again, so I'm not even going to bother.

I messed up my english right now but im trying to say that you're wrong and a lunatic


100% scum

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : cvote :

Efekannn02,Frinckles,Stealthbomber16,DS,HueyTheLon g,Kenny,Light_Yagami,MarshmallowMarshall,Voss,rumo x,SkipDay,Magoroth,

prolly my final vote

[Efekannn02]

you claimed SK, and have no right to say "i told you so"

I also claimed Citizen and Vigilante ffs

[naz]

You mods better not post after I lock!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The better choice between frinkles and light/efe is not frinkles bc frinkles can actually give us readable content and reads.

And that's where condorcet magic happens : I can vote both of them, and even include Stealth there

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I messed up my english right now but im trying to say that you're wrong and a lunatic


100% scum

No, I'm gay and therefore I'm town.

Gay = Happy

[Voss]

Spoiler : cvote :

Efekannn02,Frinckles,Stealthbomber16,DS,HueyTheLon g,Kenny,Light_Yagami,MarshmallowMarshall,Voss,rumo x,SkipDay,Magoroth,

prolly my final vote

thank you.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You mods better not post after I lock!

Mwhahhahaahahahahha.

but yes we wont ^^

[Efekannn02]

you claimed SK, and have no right to say "i told you so"

sadistically laughing

[Efekannn02]

No, I'm gay and therefore I'm town.

Gay = Happy

I hate you

[Voss]

You mods better not post after I lock!

yEaH, you abusive cOrRuPtEd mods. don't post after naz locks

[Efekannn02]

DESPERATION VOTE

Spoiler : cvote :

Frinckles,Stealthbomber16,Light_Yagami,Marshmallow Marshall,rumox,DS,Voss,Magoroth,HueyTheLong,Kenny, SkipDay,Efekannn02,

[Frinckles]

Spoiler : cvote :

Efekannn02,MarshmallowMarshall,Light_Yagami,HueyTh eLong,Magoroth,rumox,DS,Kenny,Stealthbomber16,Frin ckles,SkipDay,Voss,