So I'm finally caught up and I'm not sure what to make of this.
One question @Marshmallow Marshall : I feel like you kind of ignored this but I need to see acknowledgement: You are saying that Crypt's bussed feedback does not change your claim that Crypt is 100% scum, correct?
What the fuck is this WIFOM shit.
Is Mm claiming what I think he is claiming? But this bussed feedback counters what he is trying to say.
Anyone else get the fake ass vibe here?
I don’t trust him either. I’m townreading Cryptonic.
If I die today to a Jester, so be it. My LW will be public info and I believe I have quite the useful info innit
My problem is that while MM pulling a gambit is certainly in the realm of possibilities, I also see Crypt and Mag "open-wolfing" (as Mag himself said it could be seen as) and it wouldn't be that unlikely to me either for Mag and Crypt to be scum here. The problem is who I believe more.
MM is super tunneled on Crypt which either lends credibility to him having feedback or he has tunneled himself in so deep that he's now vaguely claiming feedback. On the other hand, I'm not sure if Crypt (and Mag by association) have been very pro-town with their posts. A lot of it felt NAI to me, this might however be a problem of me having to read quickly to catch up.
Am I a godread neutral for you mag?
Ya that gives me pause as well. We already have a dead executioner, dunno if we can have another one
mm may also literally be Jester. I choose to trust Cryptonic for now.
How the fuck can you townread Cryptonic and be so close-minded??? If you're town, you're playing really poorly atm. I am literally the most powerful tool the Town has (I don't see what could be stronger than this).
I think I can give you another tip I've just thought of: I scumread Creeds yesterday, I scumread him a lot. Do you seriously need more than that?
Think about it for a second: what the fuck would I gain from this claim as scum? I was a townread earlier, and I could've secured mislynches easily if I were scum. And I would scrap it all to do this????? COME ON.
I feel MM is saying the truth. You guys saying to ignore and even vote him is fucking payhetic.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
Yes. You’re a fucking executioner. How about that? Or Mafia Jester, quite literally.
Anyvay, no matter what happens today I’ll have enough info to pin the entire scum team.
Wow.
You really think I'd play like this as exe...?? Also: Gyrlander could just let me fall if he was scum, I am a very very easy target. He's not Crypt's scummate.There is no worse blind man than the one who doesn’t want to see. There is no worse deaf man than the one who doesn’t want to hear. And there is no worse madman than the one who doesn’t want to understand.
SUMMARY OF CLUES THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND IF YOU WEREN'T CLOSE-MINDED AS A FUCKING TREASURE CHEST WITHOUT TREASURE IN IT:
Crypt is 100% mafia. I did not visit him.
Damus is 100% non-mafia. I did not visit him.
Bus doesn't affect anything here.
I had a hard scumread on Creeds yesterday.
Creed was killed by the Mafia.
YES, THIS IS WHAT YOU THINK RIGHT NOW. SO GET YOUR BLOODY VOTES OFF ME. If you think I would fake this and make up all of this, I am flattered by it but you're wrong.
This is some curious stuff. Depending on how you respond will be how I vote.
Yes, you claim Spy. That much is clear.
I ain’t close-minded. I’m looking at my own reads and I can very much say that Cryptonic’s stated wincon is congruent with his pushing a lynch on Crypt. What is however not congruent with his role and posts is a nightkill. That smells of bullshit.
The only way he could be a Killer is if he is night immune, and I’m pretty sure only Mafia and SK have a NK are night immune.
He also implied that be shot Damus and that Damus was night immune.
That makes Crypt suspicious in my eyes, because it makes no sense to attempt to push a lynch on a buddying player when you can just shoot them at night. ESP. because he is himself NOT night immune. He has thus far not claimed a role the likes of Veteran, and even claimed he was bussed actually. Since I was also bussed, someone pribably bussed us and Escort tried to block him.
-vote Cryptonic
Also, do not entertain the Mike/Cryptonic scum team. That’s full of shit. The second scum is likely still at large if Crypt is scum.
I want to keep hammer power btw because I have something to say at EOD. So let me hammer. If you let someone else hammer, and I die tonight, instantly lynch that shit.
I’m baked deep dawg halfway into a bottle of Jack. Ya get me vote or what?
Crypt or MM
MM seem make the sketch but crypt full of bees
Crypt is either lying about having a nightkill, or he is scum. There is no alternative. I don’t trust MM but Crypt’s NK claim is full of shit
Btw. Theres actually a very clear scum team if Crypt is scum. And those are (if it wasn’t blink) AIVION/Noctiz and Bahkieh/Light_Yagami. I have some very strong suspicions as to who exactly that is in that group, but I cannot name them till EOD. I am sworn to silence till then.
For the record, I very strongly doubt blink was Mafia.
I mean it sure sounds like it's either a Spy claim or a Witch claim. What I'm reading into this is MM controlling Crypt onto creed and now creed is dead with the day reveal saying creed was killed by the mafia. Except it doesn't explain everything, for example why should scum!Crapt want an Escort on him?
It'd make sense if it's Crypt is a town Vigi and he doesn't want to be controlled by a Witch. Maybe Mafia has a mafia!Witch and they somehow found Crapt the vigilante and MM is a Spy who saw the actions.
Except that also doesn't explain the implication in Post #1271 where MM says he had a hard scumread on creed and next night creed was killed by the Mafia, bringing me back to the idea that MM is claiming Witch. How would MM know to control Crapt onto creed though to kill him, pure luck? What if Crapt were a doc and MM would've prevented a kill on creed, like a vigilante shooting him?
I can't infer a consistent conclusion from these claims so far.
I'd have claimed that you would be a part of Crypt's scum team in that case and I find it weird how quickty you went from open-wolfing to voting Crypt in not so many posts. Makes me think you want to distance yourself from him before he ends up lynched, however we won't find out from the flip if Crypt really is scum or not either way so it's a moot point. I don't think we'll be able to do associations in this game based on flips.
Lol the irony. Youre the closed minded one bro. Either that or you have to be scum. At this point i really hope youre scum instead of just refusing to relook at the information and pushing a lynch on a good guy. Guess we qill see after the game. Itll be a cute lil learning experience for ya.
If this is true, this means that Town CURRENTLY controls the msfia NK. Which would make sense in a setup where Mafia lynches kills a town..
-unvote
MM smarten up if this is true, youve alrrsdy hijacked wnough kf day chat.
For someone preaching "thinking outside the box", you sure are ignorant
I was thinking along the lines of a Godfather role as well but I'm not sure how that'd give him the info he has. Maybe it just gives him the feedback of what Mafia did at night and you were the player doing the kill on creed while another mafia role targeted Damus. Guess that's the closest to the truth we can get?
Either way, I'm fine with lynching Crypt but the situation does feel fishy all around.
-vote Cryptonic
@Magoroth can you unvote? Since you claimed you wanted to be the one to hammer and I'm putting him at L-1.
@Marshmallow Marshall
You said you scumread creed.. now creed is dead.
Wasnt i scum reading damus yesterday????
Think on it bro lol
Yes its also how i know his information is wrong and hes a stubborn POS that is about to single handedly lose the game for town by pushing a lynch.
@Marshmallow Marshall
DO YOU REALLY THINK YOUR ROLE WOULD GIVE YOU SUCH EXACT INFO ON WHO IS MAFIA WHEN YOU CONTROL THE NK????? ARE YOU THIS NAIVE???? YOUD JUST SHOOT THE MAFIA AND RUIN THE BALANCE.
Ya see where im coming from?? Your read is biased and bad. You are going on infomation you have and translating it into something its not.
You are clearing damus to the town for no reaaon.
IF YOU KILL ME, JUST KNOW THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE DAMUS 100% NOT MAFIA
We were both scum together. Then you played as town in my game.
Ive gotten a little insight from it.
To me, it seems like you are sheepjng and not pushing your own reads this game. That doesnt seem very town like to me
May i ask the exact reason why you are voting me?????
-vote unvote
sure enough
Ah right, the one where I died on D1 or something I guess. Totally forgot that happened.
Also, the one you hosted forced me into the spotlight from the start for no reason. Thanks for that again
Sure you may ask. There is information that implicates you. Since my own read was that you weren't particularly towny I don't question the implicating feedback as heavily as others seem to do. I will admit, as I already have, that there seem to be inconsistencies in what MM claims but I don't doubt that he has some form of information. I do not know however if such a gambit is something scum!MM could do. For example I'm the kind of player that pretty much never pulls gambits as I consider myself of being incapable of pulling them off which is why I prefer to be town in any game. It allows me to be more straight forward and focus on figuring out the game. Blink on the other hand is well know for his fancy play syndrome. I'd judge MM to be more of the former category than the latter hence why I am ready to sheep his claims for now.
Also I didn't like how Mag defended you so heavily, that struck me as weird as well.