S-FM: Clown town

[Mike]

Alright, I'm bored again. Someone else be interesting.

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Interesting you get pushed and you are bord????

[Mike]

Let put some more pressure on this guy. no risk if he is Mafia jester you know he will pick me. I am the one pushing his lych.

[creedkingsx]

I'm not bored by the pushing, I'm bored by your color bit.

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[AIVION]

Let put some more pressure on this guy. no risk if he is Mafia jester you know he will pick me. I am the one pushing his lych.

Mornin all!~

Looks like something interesting's happening here, time to read while also trying to wake up xD

[creedkingsx]

I guess I'll clarify, I literally could not care less about you voting, you're just the only other person on rn so you're the only person here for me to interact with. But the second you stopped talking about the game and start this weird you cant be mafia because you dont like the color red thing, you were no longer actually talking about the game. That's not a defense based on evidence or anything relating to the game. You got boring the instant you stopped being interesting.

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[AIVION]

I guess I'll clarify, I literally could not care less about you voting, you're just the only other person on rn so you're the only person here for me to interact with. But the second you stopped talking about the game and start this weird you cant be mafia because you dont like the color red thing, you were no longer actually talking about the game. That's not a defense based on evidence or anything relating to the game. You got boring the instant you stopped being interesting.

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Wait he's scum reading you because of the color red...?

God I love you mike :P

[Mike]

I guess I'll clarify, I literally could not care less about you voting, you're just the only other person on rn so you're the only person here for me to interact with. But the second you stopped talking about the game and start this weird you cant be mafia because you dont like the color red thing, you were no longer actually talking about the game. That's not a defense based on evidence or anything relating to the game. You got boring the instant you stopped being interesting.

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We can't claim town or not town so I used something else. Get it?

[Mike]

Wait he's scum reading you because of the color red...?

God I love you mike :P

No I scum read him. He is Red

[Mike]

Read post 541 to now. Aivion

[creedkingsx]

You can claim town. You cant claim role.

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[AIVION]

Hi mafia

Blink is maf
but im not voting him
=)

Interesting, is it your undying love for Blink? Or are you just faking this read? xD

if we can't get any other Lynch up and going, policy lynch Mike. my humble opinion.

I don't particularly like creedking for talking about vets either. granted, at this point in the game it could mean absolutely anything, but yeah.

You want to Policy Lynch Mike? Is it purely because of the cult mentioning? Because I feel like he wasn’t the only one who mentioned it…

The veteran bit came off as odd for me too, I just don’t like when people in general try to get roles out and it felt like some were role-fishing subtly, kinda like Light with the gov claim (a tad bit).

Hi

Herro.

I am now announcing a drastic meta change for me today.
I shall blindly sheep blinkskater, who shall be my shepherd.

I’m changing my Meta too!

What fun.

[creedkingsx]

Also idk if Gov is a new role but its not on the role list so idk why you guys keep mentioning it.

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[AIVION]

Read post 541 to now. Aivion

Alright, I'm reading I'm reading...

[AIVION]

Also idk if Gov is a new role but its not on the role list so idk why you guys keep mentioning it.

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Gov could mean anything from a Mayor to a Citizen.

It's Sc2Mafia Mod talk.

[creedkingsx]

So he's claiming any role? I fail to fully understand how that helps in a game where any role can be any alignment

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[AIVION]

So he's claiming any role? I fail to fully understand how that helps in a game where any role can be any alignment

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I had a feeling you'd misinterpret me saying *anything from* Sigh.

Ok, Town governments are ONLY from the following roles: Mason, Mason Leader, Citizen, Mayor, Marshall, Crier.

Also he was saying I was softing Gov, and he may or may not be right :P I just didn't like how he had to point it out publicly...

[Mike]

I had a feeling you'd misinterpret me saying *anything from* Sigh.

Ok, Town governments are ONLY from the following roles: Mason, Mason Leader, Citizen, Mayor, Marshall, Crier.

Also he was saying I was softing Gov, and he may or may not be right :P I just didn't like how he had to point it out publicly...

HE IS DISTRACTING YOU from reading the posts 541-550

[creedkingsx]

I'd assume AIVION is capable of reading while replying to my posts every few minutes.

And also so it's more generally claiming a town alignment then? Gotcha gotcha.

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[AIVION]

Do you know the "Never let a thought unfinished" guideline? You literally have EMPTY READS there. 0 explaination, 0 reasoning, NOTHING. Please elaborate (a lot), since it is literally impossible to judge your reads, and by the same time yourself.

I second this. Good job Mr. Squishy!~

OMGUS kenny. You can also have fabulous beach blonde hair like mine. All you need is a bottle of peroxide on sale now at your local salon for only 850.99$ amazing price! such a steal! offers wont last long

You’re Blonde??

Sketchy….

That was a fuck ton of reading and I am sure i retained like none of it. I am exhausted but wanted to at least make an appearance before 11pm EST on the 28th. Was helping someone repair a bike for 5 hours and I need sleep. Will return later

Hello! I like your sig! =)

WHATS WITH ALL THE SMILES?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?! HIDING BEHIND A MASK?!?

But yea, Blink more than likely didn’t read his role card when he made his first couple posts, so it’s hard to really deduce his alignment from it. I’m feeling town but still a bit unsure.

[AIVION]

HE IS DISTRACTING YOU from reading the posts 541-550

I am doing a million things at once :P I'll get there don't worry my good man.

I'd assume AIVION is capable of reading while replying to my posts every few minutes.

And also so it's more generally claiming a town alignment then? Gotcha gotcha.

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If real life stuff doesn't interrupt me, then yes I usually am.

Yep, more or less. I'd rather not think about the possibility of a non-town gov, that usually stirs insanity from people (READ CHICAGO :P)

[creedkingsx]

Fun fact Damus is not blonde.

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[Damus_Graves]

Can confirm.

[AIVION]

At this point continuing the back and forth is going to bear less fruit without outside opinions weighing in. Lets allow the other players a chance to voice their opinions

Hmm. I definitely get a different vibe from you then what I got from reading you from a scum perspective in Turnabout. It’s honestly hard to explain, maybe it’s just because I’m a player now? I want to lean town on it but I’d like to mull over the aspect as of now.

As for Kenny here, this doesn’t really show much for me. Kenny admitted he’s been scum in almost 80 percent of his games. The only game I can remember him actually being town was Illuminati, and I’d have to re-read that game to see how it compares to how he’s acting now. He mentioned changing his meta, and you especially should know how that changes a player’s playstyle, we’ve talked at length about it after all, remember? =)

It’s only day 1 and I my interests are piqued to how the rest of this day will go when everyone’s actively posting!! Hehe~

[AIVION]

Fun fact Damus is not blonde.

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Can confirm.

:P I see.

[Damus_Graves]

Hmm. I definitely get a different vibe from you then what I got from reading you from a scum perspective in Turnabout. It’s honestly hard to explain, maybe it’s just because I’m a player now? I want to lean town on it but I’d like to mull over the aspect as of now.

As for Kenny here, this doesn’t really show much for me. Kenny admitted he’s been scum in almost 80 percent of his games. The only game I can remember him actually being town was Illuminati, and I’d have to re-read that game to see how it compares to how he’s acting now. He mentioned changing his meta, and you especially should know how that changes a player’s playstyle, we’ve talked at length about it after all, remember? =)

It’s only day 1 and I my interests are piqued to how the rest of this day will go when everyone’s actively posting!! Hehe~

I dont really care about his meta. I care about his posts and the intentions behind them. What is your take on his interaction with me?
Also no duh. Last game was last game, this is new game.

[creedkingsx]

Damus, how come you didnt respond to my response to your inquiry about the alleged connection between us?

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[Light_Yagami]

Am at work will catch up and post more after words..

[Ganelon]

God read on Mikes role/alignment. I’ve narrowed it diwn to two possibilities

[Damus_Graves]

You established a connection with me early on in your posts and then called out the connection. Kind of weird but also might just come from a place of comfort/familiarity.

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250% accurate.
I called it out because it exists and you rolled with it
and new to demonstrate what a connection looks like to kenny

[AIVION]

I sheep blink because pulling gambits and laying traps for scum is his town meta. You fell for one of those traps, making it seem like you, Mike and Cryptonic might be the scum team.

Heh, actually this is true, or pulling gambits to find town reads like in Secret Society.

WRONG. Blink can easily fake that

Anyone can easily fake anything. Feel like we established that already my cute little kitty :P

um NO not claiming that in the slightest I overlooked Light saying it because well it is light. But I can assure you this is not a possibility.

Hehe, I'll still have my doubts ya know :P

I in no way soft Claimed anything. Light I said we need to lych cult no questions asked that is not soft claim it. So you need to Stop scum painting me

He was also stabbing at me as well with the whole “GEE AIVION COULD BE GOV” Thing.

I'm also posting from work, i have a strong suspicion that there may be cult in this game. And i need to look and see who mentioned it first and what they said .

How do you know Cult is here?

Yea the whole “Cult could be here” thing is just going to make people extra paranoid, which doesn’t sound all that healthy…

There's literally no reason to assume there is a cult. I dont know why this is getting so much discussion. Naming any role is entirely speculative because theres like 20 roles and each role can be any alignment. Fuck there can technically be a Mason Mafia member that a Vigilante Mafia member knows nothing about.

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Yep. This.

OK nm I take that back once i rereads roles in setup. I was thinking posable spy so night chat not safe.A good play is to say in open chat Vet claim to signal to scum mates don't attack or visit. This way spy don't hear you in night chat talking about that person thus confirming that person as a town role.. But here is the role list from set up. so NM that was not a scummy post. I was wrong.

Roles, including crier, can be any of the followint. Sheriff, doctor, crier, veteran, vigilante, jailor, detective, investigator, lookout, crier, mafioso, bodyguard, godfather, consigliere, crier, janitor, escort, crier, consort, coroner, serial killer, cultist, mason, arsonist, crier, survivor, jester, executioner, crier, marshall, citizen, witch doctor, witch, bus driver, beguiler, framer, blackmailer, drug dealer i guess for mostly wifom
Role settings can be unique to the player, for example 2 vigilantes may have different shots or a citizen may have a vest, etc

This will do the town good to learn all the posable roles listed so we can work as a team.

Kay this sounds really weird. I’d like to know where you’re going with this post…

[Ganelon]

Got another god read coming up, very soon

[creedkingsx]

Got another god read coming up, very soon

I look forward to it.

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[Cryptonic]

12 pages wtf

[AIVION]

I dont really care about his meta. I care about his posts and the intentions behind them. What is your take on his interaction with me?
Also no duh. Last game was last game, this is new game.

I know last game was last game, but It's just me trying to figure you out, that's all. Meta is one hell of a drug.

As for both of your interactions, Your initial vote on him was a tad bit strange, as you quoted Gyrlander who was quoting MM Who was quoting me with our little bit of roleplay against Gyrlander. xD

As for the rest of your Interactions, I dunno it looked like you both were confused on what each other was saying. Kenny with him saying you mike and Crypt could be scum as opposed to "Falling for Blink's Traps". And you suggesting Creed and yourself as buddied against Blink. It seems like Kenny had a correlation from last game to this game, which I find interesting.

You say you don't have a Meta, but that sort of feels like saying that you don't have a personality. Our personalities are linked to how we play (A.K.A Our Meta). I'm trying to learn more from it as I honestly shunned meta myself when I first played (and ended up town reading a lot of players who were actually scum).

[Damus_Graves]

12 pages wtf

shitposting

I know last game was last game, but It's just me trying to figure you out, that's all. Meta is one hell of a drug.

As for both of your interactions, Your initial vote on him was a tad bit strange, as you quoted Gyrlander who was quoting MM Who was quoting me with our little bit of roleplay against Gyrlander. xD

As for the rest of your Interactions, I dunno it looked like you both were confused on what each other was saying. Kenny with him saying you mike and Crypt could be scum as opposed to "Falling for Blink's Traps". And you suggesting Creed and yourself as buddied against Blink. It seems like Kenny had a correlation from last game to this game, which I find interesting.

You say you don't have a Meta, but that sort of feels like saying that you don't have a personality. Our personalities are linked to how we play (A.K.A Our Meta). I'm trying to learn more from it as I honestly shunned meta myself when I first played (and ended up town reading a lot of players who were actually scum).

Can you not look beyond the stupid connections part? I was displaying what real connections look like to Kenny because he legit confused n what any term he uses actually means

[creedkingsx]

I'd probably argue against that last bit. It's hard to really pin someone's meta becuase it changes through experience.

The fact that every post is archived on the forum means that any good player will change their playstyle in accordance with their previous play and reactions garnered from those decisions.

That's how the game of WIFOM works. A scum might meta like their last town game knowing that people will assume they are playing into their town meta.

That's why any action and read should be at least 2 layers deep in WIFOM with players you understand/have experience with.

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[creedkingsx]

Last post was to AIVION

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[Damus_Graves]

shitposting



Can you not look beyond the stupid connections part? I was displaying what real connections look like to Kenny because he legit confused n what any term he uses actually means

Meta =/= personality. Meta is player tendencies. If a player is aware of their "meta" and understands WIFOM to any degree the meta read is uselss.

[AIVION]

I am getting a town lean to Damus. He is a lot more helpful. He is not trying to Buddie he is truly scum hunting.

MM and Damus are strong town reads. Blink is a town lean but Blink is Blink. Gry Nul read Leaning to town.
Mag scum read. Mag when I was just trolling d1 with him and Gry seemed scared and ran off. His town meta will fight back. Then when he finally came back he attacked me not pressure me. Scum move.
Crypt to claim a power role D1 Not worth the risk of lyching him need more info on him. People scum reading that is suspect. He may be scum but such a big move for scum to do d1. Good move for town. I am not saying I town read him just saying give me a day I think we should investigate him to confirm him or guilty him.
Kenny is suspect at this point
Everyone else is Nul at this point.
Rest still Nul reads.

You know after actually trying to understand Kenny/Damus's interactions, this reads list comes off as a tad bit strange.

What are YOUR impressions on Kenny's posts earlier? (aside from "suspect")

Also I find it hard to believe you have a null read on a bunch of other players... What the hell? lol.

ok in FM is crier same as spy??? ( I truly don't get what you mean)

Criers usually just get to say something anonymously, usually not able to hint or say anything that could be easily conformable to themselves (I.E HI I AM *this player*) etc etc.

[Damus_Graves]

You know after actually trying to understand Kenny/Damus's interactions, this reads list comes off as a tad bit strange.

What are YOUR impressions on Kenny's posts earlier? (aside from "suspect")

Also I find it hard to believe you have a null read on a bunch of other players... What the hell? lol.



Criers usually just get to say something anonymously, usually not able to hint or say anything that could be easily conformable to themselves (I.E HI I AM *this player*) etc etc.

This is using your noggin. You read through interactions and noticed something off about another players comment on it. This is the start of good town play.

[Ganelon]

could everyone please post a list of reads

[Damus_Graves]

This is using your noggin. You read through interactions and noticed something off about another players comment on it. This is the start of good town play.

For the inevitable question of what this post means:
AIVION points out, within a reasonable amount of time for observation to bear fruit, that something mike said doesnt sound right to them. AIVION then questions Mike on their intended meaning. Couple this with the knowledge that AIVION is a new player sounds like a townmindset

[Damus_Graves]

could everyone please post a list of reads

Harry Potter and the Sword of Truth; Naruto: My Ninja Way; How to increase the size of the left toe; Ways to train your "Dragon"'

super good "books"

[Ganelon]

I'm accepting of many kind of reads, but I tend to bash WIFOM. There's always hidden meaning that parties fail to conceal =P

[Ganelon]

Harry Potter and the Sword of Truth; Naruto: My Ninja Way; How to increase the size of the left toe; Ways to train your "Dragon"'

super good "books"

that's cute
you earn +1.000000000000000001 town points for that

[AIVION]

Meta =/= personality. Meta is player tendencies. If a player is aware of their "meta" and understands WIFOM to any degree the meta read is uselss.

Well, I'm still trying to understand it. Been reading guides and trying to process it as best as I can in my play. When this game's over I'd like to have a nice chat with you in regards to it. I feel like I should of while Turnabout was still going on..

As for "Real connections", what does that mean honestly? I'm genuinely trying to understand here where you're coming from.

I'd probably argue against that last bit. It's hard to really pin someone's meta becuase it changes through experience.

The fact that every post is archived on the forum means that any good player will change their playstyle in accordance with their previous play and reactions garnered from those decisions.

That's how the game of WIFOM works. A scum might meta like their last town game knowing that people will assume they are playing into their town meta.

That's why any action and read should be at least 2 layers deep in WIFOM with players you understand/have experience with.

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Yea, I am aware that players can change their play styles (I.E Myself), but from what I've learned we can still gather tiny nuggets of value from Meta reads on players and how they act. Everyone has a reason for what they post, and sometimes it's hard to discern what could be considered AI or not. Reading into how they acted one game vs another helps in understanding the player itself.

But yea, I'm pretty sure it has it's flaws, so I'm trying not to FULLY use meta to read people. Just healthy doses.

[creedkingsx]

that's cute
you earn +1.000000000000000001 town points for that

These numbers are arbitrary and mean nothing.

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[AIVION]

Think about it he can post to say who he suspects only bad thing is could be a scum crier so no point now because we don't know if we can trust it.
I like it it makes Nuet Kills a place to hide and scum to hide gives them a fighting chance gives town more of a challenge. I like a good challenge.

Lets lych someone today. so who is everyones scummiest reads?

What made you change your mind from wanting to Skip earlier?

[Ganelon]

What made you change your mind from wanting to Skip earlier?

lol, yep I think I've narrowed down Mike's role to one. as well as his alignment.

[Damus_Graves]

Well, I'm still trying to understand it. Been reading guides and trying to process it as best as I can in my play. When this game's over I'd like to have a nice chat with you in regards to it. I feel like I should of while Turnabout was still going on..

As for "Real connections", what does that mean honestly? I'm genuinely trying to understand here where you're coming from.



Yea, I am aware that players can change their play styles (I.E Myself), but from what I've learned we can still gather tiny nuggets of value from Meta reads on players and how they act. Everyone has a reason for what they post, and sometimes it's hard to discern what could be considered AI or not. Reading into how they acted one game vs another helps in understanding the player itself.

But yea, I'm pretty sure it has it's flaws, so I'm trying not to FULLY use meta to read people. Just healthy doses.

Cryptonic and Mike have no meaningful interactions
Cryptonic and myself have a ignoring each other interaction
Mike and myself have no meaningful interactions
blink and cryptonic have meager interactions; questioning/surface FOS
blink and mike have meager interactions; shitposting
blink and i have meaningful interactions; I FOS'd him and he responded. I moved my FOS

Creed and I have meaningful interactions; one could infer that we are using some preestablished code with our shitposting. One could infer that we are teammates due to the casual interactions we have; one could infer that we are not teammates based on the probing questions we asked each other