The only players that are ever sure of anything are the scum and you are not showing any type of town play right now and being open-minded here. You are looking at things as if they are already set in stone that's not Town play sorry man.
those don't make anybody confirmed town. So if I came through today and said instantly that I checked mm and he flipped secret society that means I am town that is essentially what you're saying dude. I must be telling the truth because I outed a scum your logic is severely bad
With the statement you are essentially handing the game to the SS if two of our town players die tonight which they will if you leave Crypt alive then tomorrow if we waste our Lynch on Crypt secret society wins. The fact that you can't even see this and be open-minded makes you scum.
You and Naz are saying the same thing about me I'm not sure where you're going with this I actually provide valid reasons with logic behind them what do you provide besides blink you're a tunneling town... blink you're acting like SS. Blink I'm not even responding to you anymore. This is not Town play
don't worry blink, we will all truly consider MM's night results before taking action on you.
I do tend to believe you, you do make a lot of sense. If you guys want, I can check MM instead of killing someone. This allows an extra Town to be alive. Makes misslynching not to worrisome.
Yea, which is why I've been following the majority.
I still wonder about us having different win cons, though. Maybe NoctiZ could've won with Secret Society.
What do you think of that MM, do you think it would've made sense for both Mafia members have different win cons?
@blinkskater
The only way MM can be scum is if his role is:
Secret Society Paranoid Investigator/Consigliere
Triad Paranoid Consigliere
Which role are you saying he is?
No, I do not think there are any Mafia left. Don't get Cryptonic get away.
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Nvm. I just derped. Lol.
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Yup you are our little mafia pet for now ♥ insert picture of naz's dog
The definition of an alignment is usually: people who share the same wincon. But I think that it is possible, here, just because the setup is bullshit XD. NOONE has the info that Mafia is evil in their rolecard, apparently.
I want Gyrlander lynched today. I guess that if Crypt checks me it should remove some suspicion... what I don't like here is that it gives mafia power and in the event he wants to turn against town, he would be able to do so by falsely claiming I'm SS.
yes come scumpaint this ik youll do it because its a scummy post but idc :P
I have a fairly good read on SS, and ill keep in last will. I dont think Gyrlander is SS, but i am willing to hammer him if town needs me to.
If i lose, im taking my killer down with me
@naz you should be on me tonight. Im 100% sure SK will kill you tonight, but i think im a close #2, since i have KPN and against secret society. Ill see that Town and Mafia win
Yes you check blink, MM
@Kenny who do you want me to check or kill?
I'm still for killing aivion. If you kill we'll know what you have done for sure, if you check it still leaves some doubt. You haven't checked anyone so far and you're literally mafia after all. Killing MM, who is sheriff would be reckless as we need his blink investigation result.
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Well I'm town checking blink tonight. We lynch Gyrlander. If he flips SS I bet Blink will do too.
And then I thought about it... Crypt check/kills AIVION? I mean, we'll always have the ability to lynch him, and it'd suck to kill an innocent, and AIVION isn't scummy by himself, it's just the PoE. I think we should just let crypt investigate.
My concern is that any investigation done by Crypt gives him power to turn against us in the event he can't win with us. Thoughts? Gyrlander, your thoughts are appreciated too, whatever your alignment is
Can give me the post with Crypt's full roleclaim?
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@blinkskater
The only thing that troubles me is that MM and Crypt both have the "Paranoid" thing, which would make sense?
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I don't knwo my wincon is to eliminate evils and O can't tell if mafia is evil or not in this setup. My alignment is town, my card straight up says town
Uhhh how about tryi g to fucking solve the game? Youre not even reading because you literally posted right after crypt came forward and you post shit like this:
I see no reason to not lynch you
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
I have a hard time conveying what I've mentioned earlier, and I know I've said I have a hard time reading you... But this time I am CERTAIN. You feel JUST like you did in the Lynch Fetish game, to a T. And trust me, I town read you like an idiot in that game, I feel it here now too.
So my read is gut, and I'd explain more (I am a man that hates not explaining fully his views) but honestly, in this scenario what I would say would of easily been said already. All I can do is hope and pray the town comes to their senses here.
But if you lynch Gyrlander, just have Crypt blow my brains out because I'm 100% sure we lose in that scenario. I am confident he is a citizen alongside me.
Sorry for my lack of explanation, but a mix of Real life drama and just not sure how to really explain it beyond what I've said in my previous post (that you ignored btw) is sort of leading onto my lack of clear communication.
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
I've read enough, my reasons for requesting Crypt's full roleclaim was to make sure something. I already knew he had claimed Mafia Consigiliere but I wanted to have a look at this claim more closely. It doesn't mean I read it. In fact, I believe I'm trying to solve the game harder than you're doing right now.
To be honest, all 4 of you are scummy to me and that's quite disturbing.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
I was having some trouble considering MM scum as his rolecard has the "Paranoid" thing alongside with Crypt, which makes me be HUMMMm about lynching him. However, he hasn't given my any good vibes as he normally does in other games and I normally tell him "MM WE'LL SOLVE THIS GAME" and stuff like that.
In fact, he has decided to lynch me and I remember last game in which he said "THIS IS THE GYRLANDER WE KNOW AND LOVE" where I was actually scum. However, now that I'm Town he decides to 100% see me as scum when I think I'm being quite more towny than in the other game, lmao.
About the Paranoid thing, I will just take a guess and say that he is Secret Society and his rolecard gives his information about every player and he knew that there was a "Paranoid" role. I find it hard to believe that SB16 would put 2 rolecards with the "Paranoid" thing in them. You can burn, and the fact that my town reads actually believe MM is scum too just gives me more courage to vote him.
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Yea no, we aren't gonna turbolynch and trying to do so won't make you look towny either. So far the only reason for scumreading MM you're providing is meta and as others said it doesn't even look like you read everything.
Yea, I was dabbling with that theory as well. Either that or he has a detection immunity thing that says he'll show up as a "paranoid Investigator" or something. Yours sounds a bit more like what SB would probably do, yea.
Who said anything about Turbolynching? Gyrlander is at L-2 Just like MM. If you're gonna go by that logic then the rest of you don't look towny either.
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
[QUOTE=Cryptonic;766834]I have a fairly good read on SS, and ill keep in last will. I dont think Gyrlander is SS, but i am willing to hammer him if town needs me to.
If i lose, im taking my killer down with me
@naz you should be on me tonight. Im 100% sure SK will kill you tonight, but i think im a close #2, since i have KPN and against secret society. Ill see that Town and Mafia win[/QUOTE @Cryptonic
Can you elaborate on this? If you think Gyrlander isn't SS, why do you want to lynch him? Who do you think is SS?
@Marshmallow Marshall
I'd usually expect you to react to these kinda posts aggressively. Did you just not see it?
Omfg why do quotes break whenever you mention someone afterwards
I don't get how Gyrlander's play makes any sense as citizen. If he was a strong TPR, it would be understandable, because he would want to live as long as possible, so lay low, don't shake the tree... but as citizen it's just being useless, and Gyrlander is not a noob. Some first time players are more useful in their first game than Gyrlander has been this game. Therefore, Gyrlander is scum. If not, well I am really disappointed in his behavior, and wonder why he's signing for games if he's just not going to play them
Did I ignore one of your posts? Can you quote it or get it for me pls because it wasn't intentional.
Also, I think you really need to re-evaluate how you read me, you CANNOT use the lynch fetish game as a base for it because I was being 100% honest town self with you there. I didn't see you as a threat because of the inexistance of scumread on distorted and because you didn't scumread me really hard, like others were. I think that's why I got better as scum: I am able to fake my town self very accurately sometimes, instead of just being obvious all game lol.
Hmm and now you see a chance to get out of lynch...
So you're saying I'm scummy because you don't get the town vibes you usually get from me. Did you read my posts lol? I think I'm pretty much like my town self, 100% of the time which I'm not able to do as scum. First paragraph gives no scumtell, just the absence of town tells for you.
Second paragraph is not making me scummy in any way... it's neither a warrant nor a ground to your argument, therefore it is irrelevant, yet it is a main part of your case against me.
Third paragraph is what you say it is: A GUESS. Do you remember my soft claim, post #81? I hinted at me being paranoid there. You are literally taking a very improbable guess on that because you know that the Paranoid part, along with Crypt's, makes me quite hard to lynch.
I am going to allow myself to openly discredit your case against me there. The absence of town tells is false IMO, but I am obviously biased by the knowledge of me being town. The part about my read on you is irrelevant to a case against me, and doesn't defend you either, so in this situation, it's fluff. And the part about your guess is just bullshit lol you're trying to scumpaint the fact that I have the word "paranoid" in my role.
I am also noticing the sudden resistance to your lynch, while you were widely suspected during the entire game, at different levels. I am convinced of having caught a scum there.
I do not believe @AIVION to be scum with @Gyrlander , simply because some of their interactions were absolutely not WvW, looking at the "Can I be rainbow read?" stuff, scums don't tend to interact with eachother just for fun SEVERAL TIMES when it's not needed. So I would ask @Cryptonic not to shoot AIVION, only investigate him.
Last thing: if you want a town tell, look at when I derped saying I was a Paranoid Sheriff, but then double checked my rolecard and noticed it was Investigator instead of Sheriff, even if the action is a Sheriff's one.
Conclusion: Gyrlander is SS.
The last part I'm not going to discuss, for the sake of WIFOM. The more it is discussed, the more we risk SS to be clever enough to not out themselves :P
However, in the first part, something is weird. He will keep it IN LAST WILL. Yet he said he cannot have a last will... so he made that part up, and the paranoid consig or whatever the name is can leave lw? But that's not a scum tell, given that he has already claimed mafia lol.
Why would you expect me to react aggressively to this post?
I’m pretty sure this is Gyrlander’s normal play regardless of alignment (except lurking that’s his scumtell). I’ve read enough games on him to see that, not to mention his rolecard seems pretty similar to mine. I’m pretty sure he’s been trying to solve the game though, in his own special way.
It was a few pages back, in essence it’s sort of like this honestly. But it’s okay if you didn’t address it now I suppose.
Well, That’s sort of why I feel the way I do, you faked your town self pretty damn well there sort of like what you’re doing now. I will learn how to evaluate you after this experience is over and I see your flip. I will have to think long and hard on it.
Alright, so maybe you can explain to me your Interactions with Blink? His points seem pretty valid to me it seemed like you were discrediting him sort of like how you did to PTB, do you disagree or deny that? I suppose that’s what tipped me over the edge enough to read you like I do.
I am willing to discuss your overall thoughts .I’m paranoid of the next few nights and how it will go DEPENDING if you are really town or not. To me it feels like if you are SS with someone like Naz or Kenny and we get that lynch on Gyrlander and he flips Citizen then we are boned.
Of course it’s impossible to prove that it’s accurate, hence why it’s called a THEORY. Of course, that there is also just a theory… A GAME THEORY. Thanks for watching!
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.