S-FM President

[John Kennedy]

It's more along the lines of I need to see who's willing to throw their votes where

Hm, ok. Well, I'm not willing to throw it on my townreads, sorry.

My townreads are: Lincoln, Reagan, Washington, Bush, Clinton, Obama. I would not put my vote on Roosevelt either because we clearly don't want possessions.

[Thomas Jefferson]

Honestly I don't really care what you want.

LMAO

[George Bush]

I'll say this for a second time nowhere did I say that I scum red bush for being inactive AFK or not posting much it's funny how you push this now after Bush tried to push it

I might have implied/said this. Again, Washington is right in that he's not scum reading me for being inactive. There ARE OTHERS THOUGH THAT ARE.

[George Washington]

It's not quite an insult. It's more of a frustrated observation.





Clarification, you didn't say that you're scum reading me bc i'm inactive. I HAVE however been hearing that from other people. I'm just a 'gut scum' read to you.

Also I'm caught up.

Washington, I presume you voted for yourself for President?

I want to have some record of who voted for who to help figure out who's scum (At least in my eyes)

No i voted for teddy because I'm not neutral and I cannot vote for myself

[George Washington]

I might have implied/said this. Again, Washington is right in that he's not scum reading me for being inactive. There ARE OTHERS THOUGH THAT ARE.

Ok i understand.

[John Kennedy]

Then who do you scum read and what are their potential pairings?

Oh, don't you worry, I scum hunted. I just didn't spread out on it because I was asking questions and thinking about it silently. And I had to help town sort out the bullshit with you and Theodore Roosevelt :P

Isn't it what is scummy with Nixon (Partially)?

We can't lynch Roosevelt. That is an absolute.

Obama read is bs lol, this is a logical fallacy. He was town like so he's scum. JA JA JA!

Aah... he promised to contribute. If he doesn't, to the gallows with him.

Agreed on lincoln

Trump could be pulling WIFOM on that, and it's why it's scummy. And the problem with that strategy, as scum, is that you cannot control what your scummates do, aka how they interact with you... ^^ hence my theory coming soon.

Same gut read + some stuff like the big post with all the possibilities with you and Roosevelt

Yeaaaaaah I believe he's town... but I'm unsure. He could be Bruiser.

My read on you is Townish.


This is a short list of reads, ftr.

The Ultimate Reads!

So. Nixon is very probably scum. He is cautious, he is not confused (and this game is one of the most confusing I have ever played), he is scummy by his support to survivor, as Lincoln said, because he did NOT have the same thoughts than the people that wanted to elect Washingtown for Town reasons. That was already explained and all. Plus... see next part.

Now, who could be with Nixon? Well... TRUMP. Nixon never interacted with Trump, he's part of the few who just let him dance around. Even if scums don't know eachother, only a scum would enjoy seeing someone acting stupidly anti-town without saying shit about it.
And then, I'm thinking about Bush, Jefferson or (less likely imo) Obama. Bush is scummy alone, because of his posting style and gut... I mean, it's not hard arguments or anything, but he hasn't even talked to Trump either.


Thoughts?

P.S. I'm caught up now

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[John Kennedy]

Then who do you scum read and what are their potential pairings?

Also THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER YOU FUCKER THAT'S DEFLECTION. +SCUMPOINTS.

[George Washington]

...

Looks like a bunch of BS to me it looks like you just took everybody else is General scum reads and put a little bit of your own touch on it

[John Kennedy]

It's not quite an insult. It's more of a frustrated observation.





Clarification, you didn't say that you're scum reading me bc i'm inactive. I HAVE however been hearing that from other people. I'm just a 'gut scum' read to you.

Also I'm caught up.

Washington, I presume you voted for yourself for President?

I want to have some record of who voted for who to help figure out who's scum (At least in my eyes)

Oh wait, he claimed TPR... SO HE COULDN'T VOTE HIMSELF. WHO DID YOU VOTE, WASHINGTON?

[George Washington]

Also THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER YOU FUCKER THAT'S DEFLECTION. +SCUMPOINTS.

KEEP THEM COMING BABY

[John Kennedy]

Looks like a bunch of BS to me it looks like you just took everybody else is General scum reads and put a little bit of your own touch on it

What does that even mean. Why is there a capital G, what does the sentence itself mean....

[John Kennedy]

KEEP THEM COMING BABY

thats STILL not an answer....

[George Washington]

Oh wait, he claimed TPR... SO HE COULDN'T VOTE HIMSELF. WHO DID YOU VOTE, WASHINGTON?

for fucks sake i allready answered this.

[George Washington]

What does that even mean. Why is there a capital G, what does the sentence itself mean....

It looks like you just went through the list of people that everybody scum reads put them on your list with your own little twist as to why

[John Kennedy]

for fucks sake i allready answered this.

[citation needed]

Re-answer please.

[George Washington]

I F U C K I N G V O T E D T E D D Y

[George Washington]

[John Kennedy]

It looks like you just went through the list of people that everybody scum reads put them on your list with your own little twist as to why

Oh. Nope, because if you had read, you'd see that I started the scum read on Nixon. It's why a lot of people scum read him: my post at EoD1. I scum read him since that. Then, Trump uhm.... lol..... do I really need to tell you why he's not town-like?

But... YOU STILL DIDN'T EXPLAIN YOUR READS...

[John Kennedy]

I F U C K I N G V O T E D T E D D Y

Thank you lol. Now, WHY did you vote Teddy?

[George Washington]

Oh. Nope, because if you had read, you'd see that I started the scum read on Nixon. It's why a lot of people scum read him: my post at EoD1. I scum read him since that. Then, Trump uhm.... lol..... do I really need to tell you why he's not town-like?

But... YOU STILL DIDN'T EXPLAIN YOUR READS...

And which reads exactly do you want me to explain?

[George Washington]

Thank you lol. Now, WHY did you vote Teddy?

Because I said I was Voting Teddy if I wasn't elected president I said he was the next best thing. go reread day 1

[John Kennedy]

And which reads exactly do you want me to explain?

Your read on Bush, your read on Teddy, your read on myself, your read on Lincoln.

[Thomas Jefferson]

It looks like you just went through the list of people that everybody scum reads put them on your list with your own little twist as to why

This is the great failure with short sided lynch trains. If you are unwilling to change opinions, EVERYTHING can be scewed to look scummy. Have a similar list? Not following the game/too scared to/too agreeable.
Have your own list? Crazy/deflecting/buddying with whoever is on everyone elses list.

[John Kennedy]

Because I said I was Voting Teddy if I wasn't elected president I said he was the next best thing. go reread day 1

Ohhh, now that you say it... Btw that kinda destroys the theory in which Washington is really survivor ^^ why would he want someone else elected over another person as survivor?

[George Washington]

Your read on Bush, your read on Teddy, your read on myself, your read on Lincoln.

I made a read list I'll find it and ree quote it for you

[George Washington]

Ohhh, now that you say it... Btw that kinda destroys the theory in which Washington is really survivor ^^ why would he want someone else elected over another person as survivor?

Old news we know that I'm not Survivor

[John Kennedy]

Old news we know that I'm not Survivor

That was indirectly replying to Reagan's massive possibility post. Just stating it.

[George Bush]

George Bush's Reads List and Commentaries
-You can treat this as a last will


JFK
Solid Town Read, why did you claim TPR for no reason??

Jefferson
I think they're like me, our town reads are lining up for the most part, and is able to recognize that I'm a town playing the best I can.

Bill Clinton
Town pretty much bc of the assassin claim. They either have to shoot a mafia to get some ultimate town cred, or do a very town helpful kill, even if it doesn't give Clinton much information. Otherwise, it goes to a scum slot.

Obama
Is this slot even active? Some people mentioned that he's a cit claimer and almost elected President???

Reagan
Initially thought scummish, but I like other people as scum now. Slotting as a town that doesn't know how to actually be helpful, and I mean no disrespect with it. Just a subjective interpreation

Trump
I'm not good enough at Mafia to read Trump's slot. Hail Mary lynch for later

Lincoln
Going back and forth, feeding hysteria and being OBVIOUSLY opportunistic. Lincoln needs to go. Fuck, I keep saying this, but then I remember a leashed escort is good for town.

Nixon
I forget why I scum read him last, but all I know is that it's valid. And so do others

Washington
I guess I'll lay out the case for you Washington, hopefully you can see it in my eyes. (I'm addressing you as if you're town, since thats productive conversation). You're a policy lynch for what you did yesterday. Your gambit aside, you're not my top scum read, but the move you did cannot be left unpunished. You should have earned the presidency, not wasted town's opportunity. There are cases to be made against policy lynches, but I don't think you're one of them.

What you did goes against the town's best options for winning the game. You sowed so much distrust, and conversation on whether you're good or evil bc of the tactic you pulled. If this happens in every game from now on, people will be more likely to pull selfish plays to try and win, and (I think) that's not the best way for town to continue winning. If this continues to happen, I just won't play with y'all anymore.

I"m not laying out the case as best as I should against you, but above is partly what I'm actually thinking.

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The order I have is pretty valid.

[George Washington]

Abe Lincoln-I feel abe has been unsure on ALMOST everything, which in my experience is a townlike tell, it seems like he is sure of a few things which are most likley gut feelings, which i feel is another strong town tell.
Donald Trump- To scummy to be scum in my eyes nothing more to it.
Ronald Reagan- this is more of a gut town read then anything.
Bill Clinton- one of my stronger townreads for the fact i do not think mafia would claim assassin on day one like the way bill has done.


(using neutral ass NuLL)
John Kennedy- I'm currently unsure on JFK atm but so i have him in the middle he was yelling for everyone to scumhunt day one but i didnt really see any scumhunting from himself.
Richard Nixon- A few people jumped on him earlier on in day 2 but i currently have no read on this slot whatsoever.



Theodore Roosevelt- teddy is uncounterclaimed turncoat survivor that elected me as president, so he needs my faction(town) to loses, so he is a mafia member in my eyes.
Barack Obama- One of the higher townreads day 1, was brought up as a possible potential candidate for presidency, IMO the only people who need to really seem like townies day one are mafia.
George Bush - this is more of a gut scumread for me, i feel he's just a scum riding the waves of the game.
Thomas Jeffereson - this guy is just telling us what we want to hear with fluffy posts filled with nothing.

@John Kennedy

[George Bush]

It looks like you just went through the list of people that everybody scum reads put them on your list with your own little twist as to why

Oh wait, he claimed TPR... SO HE COULDN'T VOTE HIMSELF. WHO DID YOU VOTE, WASHINGTON?

this is why your spammy way of talking doesn't work. this communication is killing me.

[George Washington]

Calling the scumteam of JFK and George Bush.

[George Bush]

1. I'm down to respect the condorcet vote if people indicate they wanna do this tomorrow. PRobably too late to do this today.

2. So Far, I have 4 votes for Obama, 1 vote for Teddy, and 2 for Washington. Who the fuck voted for Washington that isn't owning up.

@Donald Trump
@Barack Obama
@Theodore Roosevelt

[George Washington]

Teddy said he voted for me.

[George Washington]

Well look who the fucking cat dragged in

[John Kennedy]

@John Kennedy

Hm ok

[John Kennedy]

I'm gonna leave you alone Washington lol

[George Bush]

A couple of other things that I want to say before I'm gone until later tonight:

Reagan's analysis of who could be what between washington and roosevelt was garbage. The conclusion was that roosevelt is neutral, and washington is a tossup. Everyone already came to that conclusion.
Also, reegan put trump at L-2, which was scummy, but then unvoted, so I guess that makes up for it. Just more evidence on why they're a null nearly scum read. I want to slot the role better, which is why I'm putting attention on it.

Also on Obama,
Obama said something to washington that if washington flips scum, I think obama is locked town.

[George Bush]

Teddy said he voted for me.

Can you pleaseeeeee cite your source? I work for the newspaper and I like this corroborated. Thank you.

[George Washington]

Can you pleaseeeeee cite your source? I work for the newspaper and I like this corroborated. Thank you.

Are you the journalist perchance?

[Richard Nixon]

sup bros I am on, looks like I gotta lot of reading to do! How come our pres is getting voted up?
Anyway if you have questions for me leave them here, but it will probably be an hour or two till I get to them as I respond to the stuff from this morning onwards

[George Washington]

Can you pleaseeeeee cite your source? I work for the newspaper and I like this corroborated. Thank you.

And no im not searching the thread for that sorry, you should be paying better attention

[John Kennedy]

George Bush's Reads List and Commentaries
-You can treat this as a last will


JFK
Solid Town Read, why did you claim TPR for no reason??

Jefferson
I think they're like me, our town reads are lining up for the most part, and is able to recognize that I'm a town playing the best I can.

Bill Clinton
Town pretty much bc of the assassin claim. They either have to shoot a mafia to get some ultimate town cred, or do a very town helpful kill, even if it doesn't give Clinton much information. Otherwise, it goes to a scum slot.

Obama
Is this slot even active? Some people mentioned that he's a cit claimer and almost elected President???

Reagan
Initially thought scummish, but I like other people as scum now. Slotting as a town that doesn't know how to actually be helpful, and I mean no disrespect with it. Just a subjective interpreation

Trump
I'm not good enough at Mafia to read Trump's slot. Hail Mary lynch for later

Lincoln
Going back and forth, feeding hysteria and being OBVIOUSLY opportunistic. Lincoln needs to go. Fuck, I keep saying this, but then I remember a leashed escort is good for town.

Nixon
I forget why I scum read him last, but all I know is that it's valid. And so do others

Washington
I guess I'll lay out the case for you Washington, hopefully you can see it in my eyes. (I'm addressing you as if you're town, since thats productive conversation). You're a policy lynch for what you did yesterday. Your gambit aside, you're not my top scum read, but the move you did cannot be left unpunished. You should have earned the presidency, not wasted town's opportunity. There are cases to be made against policy lynches, but I don't think you're one of them.

What you did goes against the town's best options for winning the game. You sowed so much distrust, and conversation on whether you're good or evil bc of the tactic you pulled. If this happens in every game from now on, people will be more likely to pull selfish plays to try and win, and (I think) that's not the best way for town to continue winning. If this continues to happen, I just won't play with y'all anymore.

I"m not laying out the case as best as I should against you, but above is partly what I'm actually thinking.

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The order I have is pretty valid.

I claimed because I felt it was good to know at that moment. Oh, and because a half-braindead assassin threatned me for a reason he never explained. lol.

I agree with your town reads.


@Barack Obama We need you! Come with us! I feel like you got the town read from everyone, and then ran away with it

Reagan is helpful. His post about Roosevelt and Washington was really good.

Trump... Yeah he's confusing.


Lincoln is a confused town IMO. I'm not in for his lynch today, that's an absolute.

lol but he's my scummest scum read soooooo :P

I believe you are right, that this kind of play should not be. But I'm not ready to sacrifice a game for a punitive meta move, especially in an "anon" game. However, yes, that is a bad play from him, and I hope he understands it.


Good list :P

[Thomas Jefferson]

I am agreeing with this - I vote for Washington as well.

Here you go. Post #805

[Richard Nixon]

I can't really read rn, but I require the reported votes of who voted for who last day for president. It will help.me figure out whose scum. Thank you.

like I said ten times I voted for Washington, who I'm pretty sure is survivor

[John Kennedy]

Calling the scumteam of JFK and George Bush.

Sure.

[George Bush]

Are you the journalist perchance?

no that wasn't a soft claim. I forgot about the journalist we have in the game. BTW are you the one that submitted it?

Oh yeah, also 2 more questions with you. I don't understand what gambit you could be trying to pull in not claiming your previous role. It's funny to say the least, and scummy to say the worst.

Also, did you write the journal article?

And no im not searching the thread for that sorry, you should be paying better attention

No worries. I can't expect anyone to do something I won't do. I'll just wait for @Theodore Roosevelt to say, yeah, he voted for Washington.

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At everyone else,
Just because I'm trying to have a civil conversation with Washington, doesn't mean I don't think he shouldn't be lynched. I'm voting for him not for pressure but to DIE. Just covering information bases if he actually is a selfish town.

[George Washington]

Here you go. Post #805

Well done kind sir.

[Bill Clinton]

I do not town read u wtf are u talking about lol. I have been calling ur BS all day 2. day d1 i slightly townread u for baiting as citizen (was my guess what u were doing). But no, u took this as a real claim at this point but it's so obvious you are not able to shoot anyone.

I will make this clear;

I DO NOT TOWN READ YOU.

succ my nut backpedal harder, just liek how u did when u were railing on everyone to vote washington yesterday u dunce

oh nice u did he allowed the pressure votes to happen until lincoln voted (forgot who). Then he jumped in trying to change the narrative, why not let lincoln pressure people? I still view that post and its context scummy. Do I 'Scum read you?' no lol people are so sensitive, the second something they do gets questioned they think its a scumpaint or scumread. it is scummy, definitely. But I don't see you as scum right now.

btw mafia, this is a citizen trying to bait the kill.

mafia would love the assassin to use their kill on a town algned neutral day 1 =P lol

[John Kennedy]

Can you pleaseeeeee cite your source? I work for the newspaper and I like this corroborated. Thank you.

Is that a not-even-soft claim?

[George Bush]

Here you go. Post #805

this fucking guy. fucking mvp. ilu =)

Although this was a d1 post, in his particular case, it serves my purpsoses.

thank you VERY much.