I have a feeling that Funce might be neutral killing or something, and that's why all of the scum were trying to throw him under the bus. Just a theory doh.
I have a feeling that Funce might be neutral killing or something, and that's why all of the scum were trying to throw him under the bus. Just a theory doh.
well I think its Sino or Grommor right now for the third Triad (though given the setup had 22 people, its possible 4 traids (or eve more) exist)
Sino for my above remarks
Grommor for this:
#921,Grommor states with Trine that Fury is tunneling FB too much
Trying to avoid the vote on FB
The question is if you thought Fb was scum or not.I'll admit, I did not truly suspect him at the time when I wrote that post. I was considering everything Fury said and having reread through their interactions, I felt like SLaoL was scummier which was why I voted him.
I didn't want to blindly follow Fury, and I hoped that by voting SLaoL we might force him to interact (which ironically we did). Everyone suddenly got so much more talkative on the edge of being voted. When the Marshall suggested we vote RLVG and I read over his posts I decided he was a more obvious scum than SLaoL and switched my vote.
I don't believe that just because someone doesn't suspect someone to be scum, that when they turn out to be scum, that it makes them scum. I don't feel like I was defending him that strongly, I offered my reads on why I didn't think he was scum at the time and obviously I was wrong, but I can't really offer more of a defense than that.
If Person A is 6 points of Scum, and Person B is 9 point of scum. person A is still scum. Deflecting way from FB to someone "scummier" helps get the scum, but still doesn't make person A "not scum"
I don't question the RLVG vote. Everyone needed t ovote RLVG. Anyone not voting RLVG (unless afk) would be scummy based on day remaining and MArshel vote.
Its the combo no not suspecting someone as scum and not following the marshell.
The 823, you just state he looks town. this is fine because no one is voting him.
But its the second time around at teh 973 post where a ladder is actively starting on FB and you want to deflect it off (which did).
Its more the 973 post that has the issue, and the 823 post reinforces that stance. not 823 being the base of reason
>.< that was the question.
Basically matt and his troll ass set up are going to be no help. We could have two neutral killings, one being an arsonist and we could all be doused.
DONT THINK IT'LL HAPPEN, JUST LOOK AT EVERY OTHER GAME MATT HAS HOSTED.
TROLL KING OF HOSTS.
anyhow @ccantman I missed your citizen claim, I saw you claimed general "town."
Town
- Trine: Marshall. I don't believe he has been converted, through we could still have cult in play and with BG dead, she would make an ideal conversion.
- Fury: No Role Claim. Strongly feel as if Fury is town. He has been actively scum hunting and I don't see why any triad player would focus so hard on his own DH.
- SIaoL: Mason. While I still feel as though he is a terrible Mason, without a CC I have no reason to doubt him.
Leaning Town
- SLaoI (aka blue slaol): Claimed Sheriff and that SIaoL and Sino are NS, though confirming the Mason as NS is fairly obvious/easy to fake. Suggested Marshall may be compromised due to group lynch count? Has been one of the only active of the slaols.
Unsure
- Gyrlander/ccantman: Claimed citizen. Definitely participating more than Gyrlander has up til now. I don't yet have an established read for him other than he seems to be taking the game serious and has a keen eye for detail, such as pointing out I wasn't really on the FB train despite what someone else stated previously (SLaoL I believe).
Leaning Scum
- SLaoL: Claimed citizen. Has suspected grommor since Day 2. Said he would rather lynch himself than confirmed Marshall. A strange thing to say IMO. Also talked about winning ties over other citizens, but I believe this was a misunderstanding. With three citizens already dead, I find his claim hard to believe, though maybe that's because I find it hard to believe at least one of the slaols aren't scum?
- Funce: Claimed citizen. My read on him hasn't really changed. Hasn't really posted anything of value since the game began and while he might be apathetic town, I feel like he's scum trying to skate by. If not triad, perhaps some sort of neutral evil role. Like SLaoL, I do not believe his claim of citizen.
- Iced_Monopoly: Yet another citizen claim. Like FB, Iced has wanted us to go after lurkers (such as Unknown), though to be honest I already talked about the potential for some of our inactive players to be quiet scum as they had not yet been afk killed/replaced. Has been heaping suspicion onto grommor as well, a potential scapegoat as many other people were already suspicious of him. Suggested ending the game with sudden death?
- Grommor: Claimed citizen. Really? You too? Hasn't really participated unless he fell into serious suspicion. The fact that everyone else is marking him as scum in their reads seems to confirm my suspicion but at the same time I feel like he's an easy scapegoat for scum to divert our attention.
Scum
- Unknown1234: I don't have any proof at this point, but he is the most suspicious to me. Claimed citizen (the fifth of our supposed living citizens) He hasn't contributed anything to help town or scum hunt. They were all to happy to quietly vote alright, fed, firebringer even slaol but refused to vote for RLVG. Claims to 'only look at this thread when im pinged or if i see my name on the side bar'. Which means he is actively refused to participate. But because he doesn't care or take the game seriously? Or is afraid of being engaged by one of us? Talked about fake claiming doctor which doesn't seem pro-town at all.
TL;DR - Counting all the citizen claims we have a total of 8? Now I'm used to sc2mafia where citizen is like a unicorn so you'll have to forgive my mindset but as of this point I consider all citizen claims to be suspicious, none moreso than Unknown.
-vote Unknown1234
Well given how Day 1 went, I think by PoE SIAOL has to be a Mason, otherwise the lynch on Fred is hard to justify. Any non mason counterclaiming fred, while possible is unlikely. We did have a mason leader and cult (witch doctor) Its a shame Alright didn't say anything of use. and while SIAOL didn't defend alright (which is slightly concerning) The odds are probably high he is mason. Given that we have a bunch of cit claims and not any of them seem to prove SIAOL's claim, I think its safe to assume that the mason does not become mason leader (unless someone comes out and helps claims this now).
And you are confirmed by Reveal
Me: Marshall (confirmed day 1)
SIAOL Mason
If we had a vig based on the role reveals is someone who wanted yzb dead during the day, though I don't know who.
Sherif claim is probably safe as an admin died, though double admin is possible.
SLAOI sheriff
BAsed on Sherif
Mason-Slaol, and Sino, and both came up not suspicious
-vote unvote
This clears Sino (though if an admin and sino is a 4th triad, this would not be valid)
SINO UNKNOWN TOWN ROLE
Which leaves this.
I suppose if we had one, people would of mentioned that they got audited. So we probably don't have one
Fury has been on point with scum all game, so I think he is clean
FURY UNKNOWN TOWN ROLE
Which leaves these 3. given that Sino is currently sherif cleared. Grommor was next on my list of FB defenders
Funce citi
SLAOL Citi
Grommor Citi
[vote]Grommor[vote]
-vote Grommor
@Sino can you pull were ICE and unknown both claim citizens?
@SIaol can you come and tell us if you have multiple mason friends?
Sino:
Claimed citizen. Really? You too? Hasn't really participated unless he fell into serious suspicion. The fact that everyone else is marking him as scum in their reads seems to confirm my suspicion but at the same time I feel like he's an easy scapegoat for scum to divert our attention.
let me correct that for you..
I started getting into the game WHEN I CAME BACK AFTER DAY 1. THANKS.
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and before you mislynch me for starting a train on slaol, that's how I wanted to be useful to the town and how I play almost all of my town games. Especially when I'm not bringing enough help to the town. Create two trains, so people have an option on who to choose between. Coax people who WERENT voting for firebringer onto slaol, so as to give the slaol train some credence, but at any point, i was ready to switch back to firebringer. It wasn't a counter train to try to save firebringer, it was only to have two trains going for choice and analysis.
on one hand, trine should have continued with the mass claim, because I feel part of the reason I have some suspicion (not the only, but some) is because I'm claiming citizen. I wish everyone would claim, but it might not be the best for town atm. Just salty that I'm being cooperative and having it used as a reason. At least funce should claim imo.
Alright I seem to have mixed up unknown and grommor a bit at the end of my reads. Grommor was the last minute cit claim who talked about fake claiming doctor. My bad. Unknown HAS NOT CLAIMED A ROLE.
[unvote]
Uh... did I not do that right?
you [ vote ] for unvote [ /vote] without spaces
-vote unvote
I'm not saying they are confirmed. I am saying under the assumption that the roles that were called are true, here is where we stand:
And I don't think we can confirm anything in this set up
Such as the sherif:
We are never given 100% sheriff to begin with, so there is nothing to counterclaim on unless we knew 100% we had at least 1 invest role.
Like if someone claimed sherif, to "counterclaim" its possible we could of just had two shierfs.
Likewise, an Admin could claim sherif as the same logic on why a counterclaim doesn't exists.
to some extent though, we need to assume some number of power roles. So its not a confirm based off lack of CC, but that they did claim, and at this point, we just have to assume its correct
Also there was something about voting to make days shorter? Something that fell through on Day 2. Is that something we want on day 3? Not sure if time pressue helps or hurts the game
I think everyone was tired of the game, but with 4 kills last night, game is close to wrapping up. I'm still down to shorten, but it wont help town I think at this point.
Idc either way.
we need to short people though.
Today is a moderately busy day for me also, but I'll be able to make some more reads later on. What we do know is that from last night is if there is still triad alive, then there are 3 roles capable of killing. I feel a hint of regret in Grommor's post and I noticed a pattern of low activity/low effort posts of little substance and now he's becoming more analytical.
Ah, funny you should say that. Is there some subconscious projecting going on here?
Here's my two cents:
Town:
Me, Fury, SIaoL, SLaoI, SLaoL, Sino, Ccantman
Scum:
Unknown, Funce, Iced, Grommor
Now, I could be wrong and it could be only 6 town and 5 scum. Which means if we mislynch today, town loses.
I didn't vote to shorten the day because I was gone from like 8 AM to 11 PM. So I didn't even touch my computer yesterday. Yesterday's role flip/last nights deaths kinda reinvigorated the game for me anyways. Still though, I can vote if Trine wants me to. Would I just message mattzed?
Isn't a town loss under the assumption its 5 scum and they are on the same faction?
Lets say there is only 6 town and 5 scum. if that scum is
1 traid
1 godfather
1 SK
The scum need to eventually turn on each other and need the towns help to do so. In which case, while still bad, I don't think we are a LyLo at the moment.
Step 1 I think is to figure out where we stand faction wise.
We know we have a town.
We know there was/is cult (2 Witch doctor died)
We know there was/is triad.
We know there are 3 kill attempts last night
1 was DH on Bodyguard action
which leaves two more un accounted kills
Vig/SK is most probable, but this means we need to confirm a vig out of remaining group.
Other option we had a second amnesiac that took vet and the witch doctor visted him. SK killed the Cit, DH/BG fought
There are more possibilties as well.
We know there was cult, we need to find out if there is still any more cult.
One idea is that The first witch doctor saved ybz and died the same night, and then N2 ybz died and all the cult is gone
Alternatively, we started the game with a cult and witch doctor, and the town still has had least 1 cult.
Given we had 2 deaths followed by 4, I'd like to think it was ybz being saved and being turned to cult.
Which under that assumption, there were 3 attacks N1 (1 was healed), which then follows up that N2 there were 3 attacks.
In this case, we don't have a vig, there is a DH,GF and SK (though DH is now dead)
And under this assumption there are two killing roles left and 0 cult (triad may have a third or not.
The question is then
Did we have
2 triad 2 mafia? 3 triad 1 mafia? even more? It possible the town is already dead. and now the factions need to fight each other. 1 triad 3 mafia 1 sk 6 town could be the break down.
Lots of unknowns we are working with.
Any ideas?
I'm thinking
0 cult left
Sk (or MM and we don't have a vig)
Possible a godfather
The number of night kills are our clues to where we stand
@Sino plz claim